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Original tea partyers returning to GOP fold
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | March 8, 2014 | Salena Zito

Posted on 03/09/2014 9:52:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Fortunately, the actual voters behind the tea party movement of 2009 did some good before the vultures arrived.

Since that movement's peak in 2010, the sentiment of those original voters — a pretty even split of Republicans, Democrats and independents — has been hijacked by every political circus-barker able to buy a domain name that includes such key words as “freedom,” “liberty,” “warrior,” “conservative” or “tea party.”

These same political operators have no problem making money from frustrated voters by challenging incumbent Republican officeholders with often untested, unsophisticated but deep-pocketed candidates — with mixed results.

People fed up with the government are still around, still energized, still anxious to give voice to their votes. They just wearied of those trying to make a buck with a website, a campaign or a book reflecting an inflexible, often extreme ideology that shares little with the tea party's original purpose.

And they don't like to be politically bullied.

“I can speak from experience, that it is the case here in Pennsylvania,” said Dwight Weidman, a Franklin County Republican. “Most of the folks who came out for the tea party when it began have dissociated themselves from these extreme elements.”

Weidman points to the challengers of U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster in Western Pennsylvania who claim to be true conservatives or tea party patriots opposed to Shuster's “establishment” record. He believes the more strident that Shuster's challengers become and the more they associate with the extreme fringe, the worse they will do with rank-and-file Republicans and regular voters in November.

It is odd for Shuster's conservative bona fides to be challenged, since he holds 100-percent ratings on nearly every conservative-cause scorecard.

The situation is not unique to Pennsylvania.

In last week's Texas Republican primaries involving U.S. Sen. John Cornyn and U.S. Rep. Pete Sessions, “high-profile” tea party challengers garnered far more press credibility than they deserved — largely because they pushed the storyline of a deep divide among Republicans in very conservative Texas.

The results weren't even close, and never were going to be.

Yet, in the lead-up to Sessions' landslide victory over upstart challenger Katrina Pierson, you would have thought the 10-term congressman from Dallas was within a hair's breadth of losing.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks PAC, one of those money-making “tea party” groups, was quoted as calling Pierson “one of the best activists in Texas who has been working overtime, trying to help Pete Sessions find his way back home.” He confidently predicted she would win.

Ted Cruz, the freshman U.S. senator from Texas, called her an “utterly fearless, principled conservative” without once mentioning Sessions.

And reports in conservative media that Pierson was “surging” in the closing weeks of a “bitter battle” were wildly over-hyped, either because those reporting this “news” were fed bad information or made the fatal mistake of reporting what they wanted rather than what really was happening.

Sometimes movements end. In fact, every political movement in this country has ended or at least faded into one of the traditional political parties, from the Anti-Mason and Free Soil factions to the Wets, Drys, Progressives and so on.

Cornyn's crushing victory of more than 50 percentage points over “tea party” challenger Rep. Steve Stockman, and Sessions' two-to-one defeat of Pierson, are glimpses of how voters who just four years ago were part of the tea party movement have now settled back into their true conservative base — the Republican Party.

That doesn't mean they won't revolt again; Ross Perot's impact on the American electorate didn't occur all that long ago.

The dime-a-dozen outside groups that oversold their influence in Texas and in other states will continue to absorb great gobs of money in more races across the country, by accusing the “Washington establishment” and others of conspiring against them and provoking their losses.

They certainly will never admit that their own poor campaign skills or their untested, unvetted candidates might be the real problem.

This cycle will end only when voters realize that these are not groups filled with ideological purists willing to do battle because they are true believers. They're just good-old-fashioned political swindlers.

And swindlers only close their doors when the cash stops coming in.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 03/09/2014 9:52:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"..that movement's peak in 2010..."

Just wait until 2014 and 2016, Honey.

2 posted on 03/09/2014 9:54:12 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I, for one, was never in the "GOP" fold.

Never was, never will be.

3 posted on 03/09/2014 9:55:10 PM PDT by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The dime-a-dozen outside groups that oversold their influence in Texas and in other states will continue to absorb great gobs of money in more races across the country, by accusing the “Washington establishment” and others of conspiring against them and provoking their losses

More propaganda from the GOP-E.

With the exception of the races mentioned in this article, the Old-Guard GOP-E that surrounded Straus in Texas were thoroughly trounced by Tea-partyers.

Don't buy the Lies by the GOP-E and their friends in the MSM.
4 posted on 03/09/2014 9:55:49 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d call the GOP DC establishment the swindlers. 2012 was a racket by the beltway consultants, who showed no inclination to win despite all their fundraising. They just wanted to cash in their percentage of all the media buys.


5 posted on 03/09/2014 9:57:30 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I tend to avoid “folds” as they tend to breed nasty fungi and bacteria.


6 posted on 03/09/2014 9:59:57 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tea Party PEAKED = Tea Party NOW IN DECLINE...

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, so what’s so surprising here?


7 posted on 03/09/2014 10:09:08 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Karl Rove and the GOPe’s, keep trashing conservatives, conservatives won’t just stay home
they will send a message to the GOPe’s in an extreme way, if you know
what I mean.


8 posted on 03/09/2014 10:09:37 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dear GOPe Salena:

No suport for GOPe candidates going forward...

Ditch Mitch, by any means necessary.

9 posted on 03/09/2014 10:09:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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>> Sometimes movements end

As did the article.

Now it’s time to wash the hands.


10 posted on 03/09/2014 10:12:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Paladin2
This article is bunk. Most tea party people I know have given up trying to make a difference or have double their efforts to remove the GOPe. I have yet to see any that want to return to the GOPe.
11 posted on 03/09/2014 10:13:13 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: jimpick

I should say they have given up because they have the government after them and they are laying low till the government stops attacking the people that they work for.


12 posted on 03/09/2014 10:16:02 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOPe and me are done for good.

I rather fight a known enemy than have to watch my back against an enemy who pretends to be my friend.


13 posted on 03/09/2014 10:17:02 PM PDT by EternalHope (Something wicked this way comes. Be ready.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Milton Wolf, running against Pat Roberts in Kansas, is a moron.
Yes I want the true RINO types to pay with a primary challenge, but Wolf is wasting valuable time and money that Conservatives should spend elsewhere.


14 posted on 03/09/2014 10:18:41 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not me.


15 posted on 03/09/2014 10:19:18 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Might have a degree of believability to it if the GOP was actually doing anything to attract voters, but this article wants you to believe conservatives are motivated by spineless ineptitude. Anyone who thought we would topple all the rinos in one cycle need to remove their rose colored glasses. If we remove one or two, we will be doing good, and the establishment will have to start paying attention. Especially when it is depleting a substantial amount of their coffers just to get to the general election. Wars are not one on a single battle, and we are going to have to wear down the GOPe over time.


16 posted on 03/09/2014 10:21:47 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Fist thing comes to mind is that the tea-party never was a party and those who were republicans never left anything to return to and the democrats likewise..

The reason is that there is nowhere to go! (party-wise)

So how can they return to the fold? The idea was to work though the party, not to replace it.

Now one thing that may have changed is donations...I know that I have not been very loose with my cash insofar as the party is concerned and prefer to support individuals only.

So....I don't see anything reversing it's self...and Texas is not a State that is of or was of concern to tea party folks..

And beating one of those old dog repubs with fat war chests and connections is probably not likely to happen there in the great state of Texas, without a scandal or two..

17 posted on 03/09/2014 10:25:01 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The article seems to be saying that the tea party has lost influence and is nothing but swindlers.

This isn’t how I see things at all.

I see the tea party folks like Cruz as the only grownups in the room.


18 posted on 03/09/2014 10:25:41 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think one of the important points is the description of some as inflexible. This idea of a single issue focused litmus test for tea party or conservative candidates is a major failing.

Take the pro life groups as an example. Their sole focus is abortion issues and unless a candidate follows their path lock-step, they take their ball, their money, their vote, and go home. A person could have great leadership skills and a whole host of other qualifications, but they are dismissed and not considered unless they meet this groups singular need. Even worse, their groupthink mindset shuns and shames others away, even those with similar political beliefs. You get labeled and dismissed as the opposition.

This behavior, actively in display here in FR, is stupid, childish, and cult-like. It is the path of an extremist and inevitability leads to isolation and political failure. Much of the Lefts success politically is owed to their ability to seize on issues like this and exploit their oppositions unyielding stance. Abortion, legalization of cannabis, and gay marriage are good examples of singular issues that keep zealot voters home and allow Democrats victory.

Just my take in it.


19 posted on 03/09/2014 10:29:33 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I want to know who these deep-pocketed TEA partners supposedly are. I don’t think they exist


20 posted on 03/09/2014 10:35:23 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SoConPubbie
With the exception of the races mentioned in this article, the Old-Guard GOP-E that surrounded Straus in Texas were thoroughly trounced by Tea-partyers.

Yep. Nearly a clean sweep including the Judicial races.

While the three tea party incumbents who were being challenged by establishment politicians won big, liberal-leaning Republicans closest to House Speaker Joe Straus lost in race after race this week.

(The reps elect the speaker)

Defeated Straus incumbents include State Rep. Lance Gooden in House District 4, Diane Patrick in HD94, Linda Harper-Brown in HD105, Bennett Ratliff in HD115, and Ralph Sheffield in HD55.

more at...

http://www.breitbart.com

***********************************

Lt. Gov. Dewhurst fights for survival in GOP race

Dewhurst is fighting for his political legacy after presiding over the Texas Senate for 11 years. In that role, he has chosen committee leaders, controlled the legislative agenda and maintained the Texas Senate's clubby atmosphere that keeps the wheels of government turning.

But after his loss to Ted Cruz in the 2012 GOP primary race for the U.S. Senate, Dewhurst has tacked hard to the right. He has talked more about banning almost all abortions and even appointed Patrick to chair one of the Senate's most power committees, public education.

Patrick, meanwhile, focused on passing abortion restrictions and expanding the number of charter schools in Texas, while unsuccessfully pushing for tougher laws regarding illegal immigration.

Patrick scored big with 41 percent of the vote to the incumbent's 28 percent in a four-way race. Two other conservative candidates, both former lawmakers who serve as elected commissioners for major state agencies, shared 29 percent of the vote.

more at...

http://www.star-telegram.com


21 posted on 03/09/2014 10:37:36 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not this one.

That bridge has been burned.

The absolute last straw was last week when my heretofore good Congressman was bribed or blackmailed into being an amnesty supporter.


22 posted on 03/09/2014 10:46:19 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2DV, You know, the media ‘feels’ that they have power of persuasion over everyone, because they have that power over so many.

How utterly, annoyingly, maddeningly frustrated they must be, and will increasingly be, as the months and years go on to the two upcoming apices, the elections, where they will have zero nil zip nada impact on the 3 million and growing who would not and will not go the way of the media, Karl Rove, Mitch Romney, appeasement, apology, “oh, if I had only to do it again, I certainly would not have annoyed that blessed Elija Cummings, how wrong I was, oh anointed witch in disguise, Kelly, megan”

Blech Blech.

Every day we will read about the premature death of the Tea Party. They are messing with a group who has been so truthful and unimpressed with the media, their glamour, fabulous babes, emotional arguments, fawning over the libs, Hollywood, the utopian plans.

Impervious to the media, they do not live by the media and they, therefore, will not die by the media... ditto Karl Rove, the RNC and the C of C.


23 posted on 03/09/2014 10:47:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THE GOP-E HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA IS TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE IN LINE RIGHT NOW.

THE ‘REPUBLICAN’ CONTROLLED LEGISLATURE PASSED AND ‘REPUBLICAN’ GOVERNOR TOM CORBETT SIGNED A ‘TRANSPORTATION FUNDING BILL’ RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS LAST YEAR THAT RAISED FEES LIKE DRIVERS LICENSES AND SO ON BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY RAISED GASOLINE TAXES BY A WHOPPING 28 CENTS A GALLON.

NOW THEY EXPECT EVERYBODY TO MARCH IN LOCKSTEP WITH OUR GLORIOUS GOVERNOR WHO RUNS COMMERCIALS SUGGESTING HE DIDN’T RAISE TAXES AND HE’S FIXED THINGS IN HARRISBURG AND DONE THE RIGHT THING.

A TEA PARTY CANDIDATE IS CHALLENGING HIM IN THE GOP PRIMARY AND THERE WILL BE NUMEROUS LEGISLATIVE CHALLENGERS TO GOP INCUMBENTS ALSO IN THE MAY 20TH PRIMARY.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL STATE SENATE ELECTION IN MY COUNTY MARCH 18TH WITH A TEA PARTY WRITE-IN CANDIDATE TO FACE THE HAND PICKED CANDIDATE OF THE GOP MACHINE WHO VOTED FOR THE TAX INCREASE IN THE STATE HOUSE.

THE PROGRESSIVE REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERSHIP IN THIS STATE WAS THERE TO OPPOSE WILLIAM TAFT FOR TEDDY R IN 1912, OPPOSE ROBERT TAFT IN FAVOR OF TOM DEWEY AND EISENHOWER, OPPOSE GOLDWATER FOR GOVERNOR SCRANTON IN 1964, OPPOSE REAGAN IN 1976 AND 1980.

AND THEY STILL HAVEN’T CHANGED THEIR STRIPES.....


24 posted on 03/09/2014 10:50:41 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush

Dude....easy on the CAPS LOCK. We can read you loud and clear.


25 posted on 03/09/2014 10:59:38 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Mount Athos

Usually Zito is a good political analyst, but this time I think she’s seeing things she wants to see, not what is really out there.

Some T-Party activists may have gone back into the GOP proper, but to work from the inside. The GOP is a goner is they don’t have T-Party support. Period

Re some movements fade away or are absorbed by the larger ones. The “Progressives” never faded away nor were they absorbed by the Democrats, witness the number of “progressives” openly listed in the “Progressive Congressional Caucus”, at least 80 (losing a few to retirement this year).

These “progressives” have deliberately planned the marxist takeover of the old Democrat Party, and they started a long time ago (I would say in the 1940’s because of the number of Communist Party USA covert members in Congress (See Appendix IX for the lists of CPUSA fronts that they were in (CIO Political Action Committee volumes, mid-1940’s).

They had to lay low in the 50’s while McCarthy and others tried to clean house of the reds and pinks. However, they resurfaced in the 1960’s, esp. with a first real crop of “progressive/reds” including Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich), and then Don Edwards (D-Cal), the Burton brothers (D-Cal), Kastenmaier (D-Pa), Charles Porter (D-Oregon), Bella Abzug (D-KGB, er, NY), and others. Followed by leftists Harkin, Kerry, Rangel, Parren Mitchel in the 70’s, and George Crockett Jr (D-Mich/CPUSA) in the 1980’s, with Chris Dodd (C-Ct) going way far left over Nicaragua (along with Kerry and Harkin).

Almost every Democrat congressman/woman from California and Illinois are “progressives”, which is marxist doublespeak for communists/marxists. Add in those from New York, a few from New Jersey, Oregon, Washington State, and Colorado, and you have the core of the “progressives” in Congress.

They are the enemy, make no bones about it. Glad that they listed themselves for all to see. If you want to read about their real identities, get the two books entitled “The Enemies Within/TEW: Marxists, Socialists and Progressives in Congress”, Trevor Loudon, 2011 & 2013, www.pacificfreedomfoundation.com or on Amazon.com.

What you see will shock you, not because we have so many reds in Congress, but because the mainstream media has covered up for them for the past 50 years. Believe me, I know as I was a reporter covering them for both newspapers and newsletters (conservative ones), and when I offered stories to liberal newspapers, it was “Gone With The Wind” time, the vertical file, paper shredder, etc.

If you saw the coverup job that the Wash. Post did for Rep. George Crockett Jr. (D-Mich), a CPUSA red since the 1940’s, then you would understand it all. Try to Google Crockett and Wash. Post about 1987, or “Michael Waller and George Crockett and Washington Post”.

I helped Mike nail Crockett’s red ass to the wall because he was appointed as Chairman of the House International Relations/Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Latin America just as the Sandinistas were getting beaten by the Freedom Fighters of Nicaragua, the FLMN was getting beaten in El Salvador, and after Grenada had been liberated from the Cubans/Grenadian marxists of Bishop and Coard.

The WaPost made fun of our documentation, conveniently leaving 95% of it out of their coverup story. After all, their top foreign correspondend in Nicaragua during the communist-led revolt, Karen De Young, covered up the communist factions and their avowed marxist programs, for the paper, as did columnist Jack Anderson.

This was deliberate, not an accident, and it was only one of several major coverups by the mainstream media in the US.

Remember, it was “progressives” who ran the major newspapers, including Viet Cong supporter “little” Sulzberger of the NY Times, a red if there ever was one.

The “Progressives” now run the White House, influence a great part of the Senate and some of the House, a lot of the media, and hold key positions of influence in academia.

They’ve spent decades infiltrating and taking over the Democrat Party and its supporting organizations (organized labor, the teachers unions, journalism schools, educational programming, and even some of the major religious denominations).

It is time that the Tea Party get inside the GOP and take it over. Nothing wrong with that. It would keep the fake, money grubbing false conservatives out of the elected political arena, while creating a significant base of influence within the GOP.

It is time that we got down to brass tacks, exposing the false T-Party groups, holding the GOP establishment’s balls to the fire about having a realistic and hard-hitting constitutionally-based platform, and ousting the gutless losers who have helped to bring about the political crisis we now have in America.

Time to purge from within and without. We have a very hard and long battle ahead of us against the Left, and we will need a strong united front in order to contain and then destroy them.

No time for political shisters, con artists or ego-trippers. We need the best and the brightest, NOW!


26 posted on 03/09/2014 11:01:10 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Mount Athos

The only swindler I recall was Karl Tokyo Rove who swindled 300 million
from donors and did not have one thing to show for it.


27 posted on 03/09/2014 11:03:35 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: max americana

needless to say, it was time to blow off some steam.

The situation here in Pennsylvania is worth all caps when we have a GOP governor and GOP legislature that refuse any conservative reform measures and instead take the liberal tax and spend route.

I actually saw an e-mail soliciting contributions for our liberal Republican governor under the heading “Conservative Intel” the other week.


28 posted on 03/09/2014 11:06:51 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: stanne; Salena Zito; Paladin2; prisoner6; SoConPubbie; ilgipper; windsorknot; Hostage; ...

You all know that Salena is a FReeper and can be contacted here don’t you?


29 posted on 03/09/2014 11:07:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Nextrush
Since your comment is in all caps..can I assume you are a diesel customer?

I see that with the increase your diesel prices are in the upper end of the price range for all states...but your gas is at the middle of the range,,

We are about 20 cents cheaper on the diesel but we are a poor state comparatively and need as much traffic as we can get..

But 28 cents is quite a thump....

30 posted on 03/09/2014 11:07:53 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thank you for your reply, I can’t offer anything equally intelligent at this hour.

I have had a quote stuck in my head for a month from the ace of spades blog.

TV News is about covering the important issues of the day —
with a pillow, until they stop moving.”

The other quote that is stuck in my head for a long time is the one from Maxine Waters:

“The president has put in place an organization that contains the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life. That’s going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual in ways that it’s never been done before.”

Conservatives clearly need to focus efforts in the primary. Unfortunately a lot of them are open primaries now.
And a lot of conservatives have sort of given up in despair (I’m not one).


31 posted on 03/09/2014 11:09:24 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Nextrush

“The situation here in Pennsylvania is worth all caps when we have a GOP governor and GOP legislature that refuse any conservative reform measures and instead take the liberal tax and spend route.”

Well at least you have the GOP in relevant seats. I’m in mexifornia, L.A. and we don’t have a semblance of the GOP nor any conservatives holding office. I’m surrounded by faggots, liberals and people who refuse to speak English. Wanna trade places and complain?


32 posted on 03/09/2014 11:10:57 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Cold Heat

I don’t use the diesel.

The governor came out and called the legislation “bipartisan” supported by “business” and “labor”...

The Democrat leaders joined the the GOP ones to ram it through.

The road repair and highway construction that the tax pays for will be done by business interests that support the GOP mainly and labor unions that mainly support the Democrats. In the mass transit organizations the the new taxes go to labor union members drive the buses and trains.


33 posted on 03/09/2014 11:16:58 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As I recall at the time the MSM, rats, GOPe, et al all claimed that there were hardly any tea partiers, that our turnout in D.C. was a fraction of what it really was, we were full of Nazis and racists, and we had no influence.

Now suddenly they claim we’re on the wane - which would presuppose that we had influence in the first place.

They’re having trouble keeping their stories straight.


34 posted on 03/09/2014 11:22:33 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: max americana

We have the GOP in office, but only a few are conservatives, that’s the problem.

As I posted, the Pennsylvania Republican leaders are the ultimate Progressive Republicans and have always been in the vanguard of opposing conservatism and conservatives in the party.

Wish you the best and from what I gather the cost of living is less outside of California. Have you considered moving out of that place????


35 posted on 03/09/2014 11:22:54 PM PDT by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: Nextrush
The Republican Party in PA has been a sham for years. Can't remember a single Republican governor who wasn't a liberal.

Then then there's our allegedly conservative Republican Senator Pat Toomey, who “reached across the aisle” to Democrat Joe Manchin to craft that “common sense gun control” legislation. I voted for Toomey because he was sold as a conservative. Toomey betrayed his supporters and I'll never forgive him and the party.

36 posted on 03/09/2014 11:26:13 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Nextrush
Yeah...they use the same issues and talking points here as well.

It's either hit the fuel taxes, the booze taxes, the soda taxes or tax the air we breathe. Eventually they will come full circle and go back to the income taxes...then the sales taxes....and so on...

I firmly believe that eventually it will all blow up....

Cutting benefits is not something either party will do, especially not the Dem's..

I am not familiar enough with your transport issues to comment..but you need to watch the buggers so that they don't transfer the money to the general funds account.. Lets see if your governor will now trim some other taxes and expenses....Now that transport needs are funded..I would if I were him...

37 posted on 03/09/2014 11:27:32 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only swindlers I see is the RNC which underfunds Conservative candidates; Republicans politicians who trash Conservatives then run ads saying they are Conservatives.


38 posted on 03/09/2014 11:29:28 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Yogafist

Yikes. One = won.


39 posted on 03/09/2014 11:32:12 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Most of the folks who came out for the tea party when it began have dissociated themselves from these extreme elements.”

He lives on.

40 posted on 03/09/2014 11:33:24 PM PDT by McGruff (Republicans need to show Obama some RSPECT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They wish!
BULL !


41 posted on 03/09/2014 11:35:26 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: McGruff

“Most of the folks who came out for the tea party when it began have dissociated themselves from these extreme elements.”

Extremists as defined by the left, in the media, on the internet, and everywhere the uninformed look.


42 posted on 03/09/2014 11:35:26 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Theres plenty of truth in it. Scoundrels will wear a cape of any color. Just because someone says a few right sounding words does not make them a good politician. Not certain anywhere near the numbers that left will return which is great. We have a more vibrant and much larger independent class. More skepticism. These are great outcomes along with what i see at any rate as the seed for a true third party.
Too many expected no growing pains in this process. It was never going to be some clean break with all new leaders. The system just won’t allow it.


43 posted on 03/09/2014 11:38:07 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wishful thinking. Uppity field hands need to report to the big house for orders.


44 posted on 03/09/2014 11:38:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (If you can read this, you are part of the resistance. Or some scum sucking kapo.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She can read my response.

I am responding to the headline, meant to demoralize.

Skimming this, I can add that Stockman was certainly not a good candidate.

All of the candidates in Texas who got an endorsement from Cruz won, or are headed to runoff. If he had endorsed anyone over cornyn, the results would have been the same as for those he endorsed.

How, Ms. Selena, is Stockman a tea party candidate, if Ted Cruz said nothing about him?

Sometimes the devil one knows is better, as, most likely, in this case.

Cornyn, an incumbent, with serious funding, radio ads, well produced, radio ads, running constantly, wins 62 percent, without his opponents, multiple opponents, getting any endorsements from Cruz?

That he had multiple opponents, none endorsed, and this was not mentioned by this journalist, leads me to a second, response to propaganda:

Blech Blech.


45 posted on 03/09/2014 11:42:27 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Salena Zito
OK 2nd, I'll take your advice to heart here....

I think you can always make the case that some 501C3 is collecting donations and not doing what they said with the money, but that is a matter you need to show proof to support, not just infer it.

Secondly, tea party support groups are not always going to be in agreement with other tea party groups any more than republicans agree on all or even some issues...(like herding cats)

Some are going to work through the party,even hire lobby people, and others are going to take it on the road..or to the State Houses..

IMO.....I agree with the basic principle that “All Politics is Local” (Rostenkowsky I think) So if I had a tea party group, I would concentrate my efforts in the local elections from the city councils to the State house, because this is where you get your State wide and subsequently the National candidates from.

No...I don't think the tea party, which is not a party under one roof, but many individual roofs, is going back to anyplace...They are still there and growing but don't carry a ID card or announce themselves at political balls and functions.

They are everywhere.....and if a issue resonates with them they will be mobilized, but they all have different interests. Mostly with the debt and spending. Some with other issues as well like gun control and amnesty.

If that is fringe or radical, then something is wrong with your perceptions of just what the tea party is...These issues may well be radical in the beltway, but not out here in flyover land..

46 posted on 03/09/2014 11:49:41 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Nextrush

Easier said than done as I work in Hellywood. I’ll probably leave if JimRob and FR leave Fresno, CA first..


47 posted on 03/09/2014 11:50:18 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There has been exactly one state primary and bloggers are lining up to try to dispirit the tea party and convince candidates to go all mellow-jello instead of standing on principle.

The tea partiers I know have gone off the political grid to avoid scrutiny by the thugocracy. They looked at those long, invasive membership forms with total incredulity. They go to the meetings and send money to their favorite tea party candidates.

How are the professional tea party critics going to measure tea party participation now? I’d better shut up, or Obama will find a way to do it.

You can’t kill a grassroots movement. We are everywhere.


48 posted on 03/10/2014 12:01:37 AM PDT by firebrand (so there)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Salena Zito
You all know that Salena is a FReeper and can be contacted here don’t you?

So what?

I spent years and years as a PhD in the arena of information analysis and it is obvious Zita self-selected results to fit a prescribed narrative. Nothing scientific at all here; nothing comprehensive.

Stockman had about zero money and put in about as much effort. But the Texas state level results show the Tea Party won big. 5 of 5 of Ted Cruz' endorsed horses trounced the establishment incumbents. Cornyn only got 60% without a serious challenger. I don't think he is feeling so cocky. Cornyn is a toadie and will get on his knees to whoever controls his cashflow. In other words Cornyn will be dancing at the Tea Party victory celebrations when the Tea Party gains control of the Rove party.

Just reading through many of the posts above reveals to the astute observer that the facts are with the Tea Party on the ground. A comprehensive analysis shows the various Tea Party groups winning the ground game. One look at Drudge's recent poll of hundreds of thousands and his readership of Beltway elites is enough to make Karl Rove lose even more donor backing than he already has.

The opinion of this Zita person is garbage not worthy of intellectual discourse; not fit for serious analysis. That Zita got it published in PTR is not surprising. They need to fill gaps in their rag with rubbish analysis of Tea Party demise. And how many times have it been said the Tea Party is dead? And yet it comes back with a vengeance.

49 posted on 03/10/2014 12:04:31 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage

>> Nothing scientific at all here; nothing comprehensive.

Science is political. It is what we define it to be.

And I think it’s Zito like in bandito.


50 posted on 03/10/2014 1:11:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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