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ATF raids '80% complete receiver' manufacturer, looking for 'illegal guns'
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 10 March, 2014 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 03/10/2014 8:59:22 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: KoRn
A CNC shop in northeast Colorado teamed up with a local radio station for a few AR buildfests. The hobbyists bought 80% receivers from a vendor set up on site. The hobbyist then chucks up the blank in the machine under supervision of a machinist and makes the final part.

On site vendors and gunsmiths then assist the hobbyist in final assembly.

The radio ad said you can put anything you want on it except a serial number. These weapons are legal provided they stay in the hands of the builder. They cannot be sold or given away.

I hope this answers your question.

51 posted on 03/10/2014 11:16:23 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: marktwain

I have been following the 80% receiver story for several years. There have been 5 or 6 80% receiver manufacturers raided during that time.

I am not aware of any of them who have ended up in jail, but every one of them were broken financially with the cost of defending themselves, not to mention seizing all their inventory, freezing their bank accounts, etc. And yes, the BATF does get the sales records and has notified the people with “illegal” 80% receivers to turn them it. I wonder how many did.

Most of the 80% receiver manufacturers have exited the business in an agreement with the BATF to get the BATF off their back (I can only remember one that is still in business and he seems to be a stubborn cuss). I am thinking that is what the intent was all along.

They don’t have to send you to jail. All they have to do is break you financially to get what they want. With the full power of the Federal Government behind them, that is childs play.


52 posted on 03/10/2014 11:24:00 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: marktwain

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e2d2d17b77c74c23aed2310be8703075/CA—Homemade-Guns-Arrests

This might explain the purpose of the raid.


53 posted on 03/10/2014 11:28:14 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: VRWCarea51

A good reason to pay cash and opt not to provide a name when purchasing.


54 posted on 03/10/2014 11:49:07 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad
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To: marktwain

Within days of registering my LLC as a machine shop two ATF goons stopped by because “they heard” I was making guns and wanted to look around. That was convenient, wasn’t it. I told them they need to present a warrant or leave immediately. They didn’t like that. I am sure they are working on it.

By the way I do not manufacture anything related to firearms.


55 posted on 03/10/2014 11:57:33 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: marktwain

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/242324931.html?utm_source=NBC+7+VIDEO&utm_campaign=Update%3A+AA+vs+Govt+-+NBC7&utm_medium=email


56 posted on 03/10/2014 12:29:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: dasboot
Seriously, that's great, congrats to the ATF. I'm sure Vicki Weaver and those dead Branch Davidians would agree with you.

Take a look at what is going on around you. You and your fellow citizen are subject to a full search every time you get on an airliner. That's freedom?

How about the terrorism of the IRS? You should listen to the replay of Mark Steyn on Rush today. They are auditing people who they suspect might be cheating. That's for their 2013 returns that aren't even due yet, and haven't been filed. They reveal taxpayer information for political purposes. They block right wing groups from tax exempt status.

The NSA is recording everything. Why?

The EPA fines people thousands of dollars a day for "misusing" wetlands. Guess who designates the wetlands? This same agency thinks they can legislate gas mileage and is bent on destroying the coal industry.

Even NASA is no longer really an agency interested in following its mandate. It is charged with fighting "global warming" and furthering muslim outreach.

The energy department does not produce a single barrel of oil, it hinders energy production. The education department spends billions and the children are less educated than ever. The agriculture department is engaged, primarily, in distributing food to the "needy". Is the present justice department actually meting out justice?

Your government is out of control. It is engaged in terrorizing the very citizens it is supposed to serve. If the USA as a fascist state hasn't arrived yet, it is well on it's way.

Sorry, friend, I'm in a dark mood today. The great democratic republic that the free and unfree people of the world looked to as a shining beacon is gone. America is no longer the home of the free. The world is worse off for it.

57 posted on 03/10/2014 12:48:31 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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jim_trent said: "Most of the 80% receiver manufacturers have exited the business ..."

This is news to me. Are you talking about the businesses who were renting time on their CNC machines to finish 80% receivers to 100%, or are you talking about people who manufacture shaped hunks of aluminum alloy with some holes in them?

58 posted on 03/10/2014 5:19:43 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: marktwain

The ATF should just be disbanded. They’re a bunch of jackbooted thugs and I’ve never heard tell of anything good coming from ‘em.


59 posted on 03/10/2014 8:09:00 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: dasboot
ATF actually does some great work prosecuting habitual firearm offenders among thr gangbangers and drug trafficers....applying stiffer federal penalties with superior expertise in federal courts.
I still think the ATF should be disbanded. We can give over that work to the FBI, along with any (probably few) ATF agents that are actually worth their salt.
60 posted on 03/10/2014 8:09:00 PM PDT by GAFreedom (Freedom rings in GA!)
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To: marktwain

Lucky the place didn’t get burned down with tanks.


61 posted on 03/10/2014 8:10:54 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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Btw - this reminds me of Wilson Blair....


62 posted on 03/10/2014 8:15:18 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Actually not true. You can sell them, you just can’t be “in the business of making them for sale”. So if you make one and later decide you don’t need it, you can sell it. But you probably don’t want to make one on Friday and sell it on Saturday, nor to make and sell 10 a year or something.


63 posted on 03/10/2014 11:25:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: VRWCarea51

I suspect they’ll “find” child porn or a second set of books or both.


64 posted on 03/10/2014 11:43:58 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ancesthntr

So the guys in trouble for following the rules? I know a lot of bureaucrats like that.


65 posted on 03/10/2014 11:46:07 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Remember the olden days back when it was the Constitution that determined things and not the unelected portions executive branch.


66 posted on 03/10/2014 11:47:52 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: William Tell
"Most of the 80% receiver manufacturers who were targeted by the BATF, raided, and prosecuted in court have exited the business."

Fixed it for you. Many more have taken their place, but it is probably only time until they are raided, too.

BTW, having "build parties" is what tripped up a few of them. And, having a CNC machine programmed to machine it, leaving you only having to push the "on" button was another one.

A previous injection moulded plastic lower manufacturer offered one that was complete except for enlarging the undersized existing holes in the sides. Since it took VERY little time to injection mould a lower, just enlarging the holes was truly 20% of the work time. They are no longer in business. My guess is that the latest one was just too easy to complete.

67 posted on 03/11/2014 5:03:42 AM PDT by jim_trent
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jim_trent said: "Fixed it for you."

Thanks. I was relieved to see that Brownells still had 80% lowers on their web site. I seem to recall an article describing a Chinese concern which was calculating their upcoming shipments by the ton. There must be a lot of interest.

Gun owners are so accident-prone these days that it seems like a lot of work just to see one's carefully crafted receiver sink to the bottom of a lake. Future generations may be mystified by the hazards to navigation created by such hobbyists.

68 posted on 03/11/2014 9:04:00 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: 1010RD

They were after the customer list...that is why they let him go.


69 posted on 03/11/2014 7:56:05 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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