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Nato jets to monitor Ukraine border
BBC ^ | 10 March 2014

Posted on 03/10/2014 11:10:50 AM PDT by McGruff

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To: faithhopecharity

Reminds me of the movie PLATOON. Elias: “We’ve been kickin’ asses for so long I figure it’s time we got ours kicked.” (Or something like that.)

We seem to think we’re unbeatable. That was true at one time. I’m not so sure about today.


51 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:38 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: AU72

Kennedy gave up a lot of Kruschev. Obama has already given up so much there’s nothing left to give up.


52 posted on 03/10/2014 11:05:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: redgolum

“This is a civil war. We would be wise to stay out of it.”

BINGO....


53 posted on 03/11/2014 12:03:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Fly into Russian air space and we could be at war. Stupid...just stupid...”

It’s not really the Russians that would be a worry here, but what Belarus would do, should one of these birds stray too close.


54 posted on 03/11/2014 12:05:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: SunStar

“In my opinion, we are doing this solely for Poland and NATO, not for Ukraine.”

I think you are right on target. This gives Poland a “tripwire”, and calms their nerves. They have tried for years to get US Forces based in Poland, offering us free ex-soviet airbases, and the sites for the Missile Shield.

Losing the Missile Shield was a huge blow to the Poles, from this spineless President, thinking it would antagonize Putin, if you recall. Part of the “reset”.


55 posted on 03/11/2014 12:09:07 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: VerySadAmerican

So he sticks naval and Air Force assets right up to putin’s nose at a war zone. And a plane or ship gets hit. Then what does he think he will do? Bomb Moscow?


56 posted on 03/11/2014 12:25:59 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (")
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To: McGruff

According to eye witness reports and local media in Crimea, Russia deployed the Bastion mobile missile system to Sevastopol in the night of 8 March.

The system is equipped with Yakhont SS-N-26 anti-ship cruise missiles and has a maximum range of 300 km.


57 posted on 03/11/2014 1:17:38 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: McGruff

President Obama (as well as the EU) seems to suppose that Vladimir Putin fetishizes “international law”; and, if only he had a lawyer who was advising him correctly, he would quickly see the error of his ways, and change course...


58 posted on 03/11/2014 9:27:14 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: elhombrelibre

So in your estimation Obama and the American government is a friend to Christians and Christianity??

Freerepublic has zero Putin supporters as you put in (at least from any topic I have read here). So keep trying to scare away these boogeymen that you imagine really exist.

It’s funny when an obvious neocon attacks others for being a “pseudo conservative”


59 posted on 03/11/2014 10:44:13 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Do you mind if I ask you what your first language is?


60 posted on 03/11/2014 12:12:34 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: escapefromboston

Oh, and please name three conservative philosophers you admire, if you don’t mind. And while you’re bringing me up to speed on “boogyemen” (sic), if don’t mind, define “neocon.”


61 posted on 03/11/2014 12:39:19 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Was that suppose to make sense?


62 posted on 03/11/2014 12:54:11 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: elhombrelibre

Can you please try making a point? Your posts are bizarre and nonsensical.


63 posted on 03/11/2014 12:55:55 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Seriously, when did you learn English?


64 posted on 03/11/2014 12:58:19 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

All joking aside, are you in high school? Do you suffer from any mental problems?
You are not making any sense. Please, think about what you want to say before you type it out.


65 posted on 03/11/2014 1:17:02 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Can you name a conservative philosopher whom you admirer? What do you mean by neocon?


66 posted on 03/11/2014 1:19:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’d go with the definition found on Wikipedia : Neoconservatives frequently advocate the “assertive” promotion of democracy and promotion of “American national interest” in international affairs including by means of military force.

Now if that isn’t your view point , I do apologize .

I read plenty of conservative writers but none of which I’d call philosophers , besides Ayn Rand and I’m not a huge fan really.


67 posted on 03/11/2014 1:29:01 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston
Okay, so you agree with the Wikipedia definition, right?

Do you support the promotion of another countries interest?

If you don't support the promotion of democracy, do you support the promotion of anything?

All real modern conservatives, I think, begin with recognition of Edmund Burke, and in particular his book REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE.

Other leading conservatives, in my opinion, include but are certainly not limited to: Friedrich von Hayek, Whitaker Chambers, G.K. Chesterton, Hilaire Belloc, James Burnham, William F. Buckley, Thomas Sowell, Joseph Sobran, Milton Friedman, Winston Churchill, and, dare I say it, Ronald Reagan.

68 posted on 03/11/2014 1:43:58 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Depends on what you mean by “support” and what you mean by “interest”.


69 posted on 03/11/2014 1:50:33 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: elhombrelibre

Of the people on that list I’d go with Chesterton, sowell, Buckley being my favorite conservative “philosophers”.

Which isn’t to say I agree with everything they say.


70 posted on 03/11/2014 2:00:36 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

And you like Pat Buchanan or Savage, I suspect.


71 posted on 03/11/2014 2:04:01 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Would you say that the Wikipedia definition was accurate or not ? I’m starting to find this tedious.
Feel free to send me a private message if you want, I have no need to continue with this discuss and derail this topic.


72 posted on 03/11/2014 2:18:33 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

I think there is some truth in the Wikipedia definition. Neoconservatism began, mostly, in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s among ex-Marxist, Democrats, Southern Democrats, Liberal Democrats, and Catholic and Jewish Democrats who crossed over to the Republican Party. They rejected the Left’s critique of America as an Imperialist Power. They agreed that the USA had flaws needing attention, but were ardent anti-communists at home and abroad. Among the most famous was Irving Kristal, Patrick Moynihan, Norman Podhoretz, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Michael Novak, and Fred Barnes. The bottom line was that these people rejected liberalism, but they did not reject the USA as a special and unique place.


73 posted on 03/11/2014 2:26:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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74 posted on 03/13/2014 2:35:18 PM PDT by DannyTN
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