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Poll: Even in GOP, little appetite for military involvement in Ukraine
Los Angeless Times ^ | March 10, 2014 | Maeve Reston

Posted on 03/10/2014 12:54:40 PM PDT by McGruff

WASHINGTON -- The rallying cry at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference here last week was that President Obama had failed to show strength on foreign policy, but a new CNN poll found that even among Republicans, few support U.S. military involvement -- or even military assistance -- in the Ukraine crisis.

A plurality of respondents (48%) approved of Obama’s handling of the situation in Ukraine, the poll found. That figure was higher than the president's overall job-approval rating, which has hovered in the low 40s.

Russia has sent troops into the Crimean peninsula and encouraged what Obama has called an “illegal” referendum on March 16 that is to decide whether Crimea secedes from Ukraine to become part of Russia.

About 59% of poll respondents said they favored imposing economic sanctions on Russia -- a move that the president put in play last week when he authorized the Treasury secretary to freeze the assets of people found to be involved in subverting Ukraine's democracy or invading its territory.

However, fewer than half, 46%, said they favored providing economic assistance to the Ukrainian government. Secretary of State John F. Kerry traveled to Kiev last week to offer $1 billion in loan guarantees, part of what the administration hopes will be a larger aid package led by European nations.

Some Republicans, most notably Arizona Sen. John McCain and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, have argued that the administration should be taking a more forceful approach. But CNN’s poll numbers indicate there is little public appetite for any sort of military involvement in Ukraine, even among Republicans, after a decade of intense engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; memebuilding; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko
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1 posted on 03/10/2014 12:54:40 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

But I believe the numbers. I haven’t seen anything to suggest America has any interest in getting into a war over there. Sanctions, yes. But a war or troops etc? Nope.


2 posted on 03/10/2014 12:57:04 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: McGruff

John McCain and Lindsey Graham can go and fight for the Kiev neo-Nazi regime (and for Al Qaeda in Syria), no one is stopping them.


3 posted on 03/10/2014 12:57:05 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: McGruff

Jeeze, does everyone think the nukes disapeared with the wall or something? I don’t want to get into a military conflict with Russia over the Ukraine.


4 posted on 03/10/2014 12:57:28 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: McGruff

What does he mean by “even in the GOP”? The GOP opposed helping the Libyan and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and arming the Syrian anti-government forces.


5 posted on 03/10/2014 12:57:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: McGruff

After WWII and the Napoleonic era, I think few countries have any great desire to invade Russia these days.


6 posted on 03/10/2014 1:00:22 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

“Kiev neo-Nazi regime....”

Have you considered the possibility that you’ve been duped by Russian propaganda?


7 posted on 03/10/2014 1:00:57 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: McGruff

An American ground war in the Crimea would be like a Soviet invasion of Florida. Long supply lines, low probability of success.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 1:01:49 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: McGruff

I like the way they use the word ‘plurality’ to describe the public’s less than 50% approval of Obama’s handling of the crisis.

When Bush was president, overall 48% approval was called what it is - a minority.


9 posted on 03/10/2014 1:02:47 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: McGruff

What do they mean EVEN in the GOP?

You’d have to be insane or stupid to WANT to get involved in a war in Ukraine or the Crimea.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 1:03:27 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: McGruff

Are there any others, like me, who are suspicious that Obama and Putin are really working together and that Obama’s objections are purely theatre???

Pretty much everything he has done in that region and the middle East has been to the benefit of the Russians, from taking down the missile shield to abandoning Iraq and Afghanistan, to the toothless bluster in Syria and encoraging (and probably helping) topple Mubarak. Now, the Palistenians, Zer0 thinks, do not have to recognize Israel’s right to exist. All of that plays into the hands of the Russians.

Just curious, but I think his “flexibility after the election” is showing. . . .


11 posted on 03/10/2014 1:04:09 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I don’t even see any point in sanctions after realizing that 10s of thousands of waivers are routinely granted to the politically connected companies.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 1:05:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: McGruff

There are no ‘good guys’ in this situation.....................


13 posted on 03/10/2014 1:09:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: McGruff

why do they poll that way? Because there is ZERO confidence in THIS Commander and (choke) Chief to do it right . He will blunder and blather and get some of our folks killed and then distance himself from the entire matter and blame someone else for the failure .

Maybe it will take something HUGE , like that , for us to finally get rid of him without having to wait another 3 years . At what point does Congress go forward with impeachment ?
( answer : Dec. 2014 )


14 posted on 03/10/2014 1:10:12 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: McGruff

What does that mean “even in the GOP?” The Civil War, World Wars I and II, Korea, Vietnam and the Cold War were all started by DEMOCRATS!! Look it up.


15 posted on 03/10/2014 1:13:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
John McCain and Lindsey Graham can go and fight for the Kiev neo-Nazi regime (and for Al Qaeda in Syria), no one is stopping them.

Glad I'm not the only person on FR who sees this stuff for what it is.

16 posted on 03/10/2014 1:14:09 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
After WWII and the Napoleonic era, I think few countries have any great desire to invade Russia these days.

At least wait til Summer

17 posted on 03/10/2014 1:16:24 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: varmintman

I’ve seen some mention of Ukrainian antisemitism in the Israeli media mostly in the months leading up to the current situation.


18 posted on 03/10/2014 1:20:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LeoWindhorse; Las Vegas Dave; Pontiac; traditional1
Why would anyone in their right mind get behind the current administration and push to sacrifice their sons/daughters, grandchildren and neighbors with a CIC that is weak kneed, vacillating, and a lover of Islam and the left.

He would have absolutely no interest in winning, would set outrageous ROEs, and would sacrifice everything just so he could look good, or try to look good. Perhaps ANOTHER Nobel Prize?

A lose/lose situation.

I pray to God that we can turn out enough people the next time to win an election and cover the voter fraud. AND close the Republican primaries so that only Republicans can vote in them.

19 posted on 03/10/2014 1:21:47 PM PDT by North Coast Conservative (God created man, Sam Colt made them equal)
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To: Starstruck

And at least provide winter clothing in case all does not go according to plan!


20 posted on 03/10/2014 1:22:00 PM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Have you considered the possibility that you’ve been duped by Russian propaganda?

The Svoboda Party in Ukraine has been identified as a Neo-Nazi organization by the Simon Weisanthal Foundation.

There are at least a half dozen Svoboda members in senior Ministry positions in the radical Kiev government, including the heads of the Defense & Interior Ministries as well as the prosecutors office and the intelligence service.

What other label would you assign such a regime?

21 posted on 03/10/2014 1:33:34 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

The greatest irony is that the politicians who seem most concerned about protecting the Ukraine’s southern border (McCain, Graham, Clinton) are the same ones who are least concerned about protecting America’s southwest border from a de facto invasion. Could it be a case of displaced guilt by people who care so much about the sovereignty of other nations because they don’t give a damn about their own?


22 posted on 03/10/2014 1:39:09 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: McGruff

Liberal Rag and What It Really Said:

“Alert: War Mongers Deny Their True Selves!”

Liberal Rags being what they are, never expect the truth.

Here’s the truth:

1. The Ukraine is on Russia’s border.
2. Russia isn’t anytime soon going to be staging on the Arizona border to take back Cali, Az, NM, and NV from the US. Trying to stage on the border of a nuclear superpower is stupid.
3. Obama denied an ABM shield to all Russia’s neighbors...including the Ukraine. Therefore, Russia has automatic air superiority...supremacy probably.
4. There is absolutely no hope of a surprise attack in this high tech age UNLESS we’re talking nuclear.


23 posted on 03/10/2014 1:41:35 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
"...duped by Russian propaganda?..." Yes, there is a lot of that expensively produced propaganda. But somehow it does not jive with the truth. The falsely arrested and imprisoned Yulia Tymoshenko is not a Neo-Nazi and neither is the classy champion boxer Vitali Klitschko. Tymoshenko and Klitschko photo TymoshenkoandKlitschko_zps7e31e399.jpg Vitali Klitschko photo Vitali-Klitschko_zps2c1e611f.jpg
24 posted on 03/10/2014 1:43:03 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What does that mean “even in the GOP?”

Yeah. I was a bit miffed by that too.

25 posted on 03/10/2014 1:43:35 PM PDT by kidd
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To: McGruff
Poll: Even in GOP, little appetite for military involvement in Ukraine

Except among McCain, Graham, Cruz...

26 posted on 03/10/2014 1:47:35 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: McGruff

I wonder how much of the opposition is because everybody on the planet knows the Commander in Chief is a twit. I can’t see him doing anything but throwing away “the flower of our youth.”

Consider Afghanistan. The need arose for a “surge,” so Obastard asked Petreius how many troops it would require. “40,000 minimum or the effort will be a failure at a great loss of life.”

Obastard: “Here are 30,000 troops.” And then he’s shocked it fails and gets a lot of soldiers killed with his ridiculous ROE. I don’t want this Kenyan usurper sending US troops anywhere, at any time, if he won’t listen to his Generals. I’m disappointed the poll numbers against action aren’t a bit closer to 100%, Rats and Pubbies. All kinds of people have children in the service. Nobody wants them treated as cannon fodder.


27 posted on 03/10/2014 1:49:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What does that mean “even in the GOP?” The Civil War, World Wars I and II, Korea, Vietnam and the Cold War were all started by DEMOCRATS!! Look it up

Never let historical facts stand in the way of propaganda tropes. The media's narrative has been "Democrats/Liberals = Peace, Republicans/Conservatives = War" since at least the 1960's.

Not that I have any use for them, but as far as I'm aware not even McCain and his girlfriend Graham are actually advocating that the US goes to war with Russia over Crimea, so the whole premise is a strawman from the get-go. If anything, Hillary came closest to pushing for open conflict with her "Hitler" comments.

28 posted on 03/10/2014 1:49:40 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: All

Nobody I’ve spoken to thinks it’s rational to get involved beyond providing material support and assisting the Uks in arming up to prevent future forays beyond the Sudetenland.. I mean Crimea...

As history repeats itself we need to be reminded that weakness begets aggression. It might not be here, it might not even be in Asia but the bad guys are taking notes and reading the polls too and sooner or later they’ll act.


29 posted on 03/10/2014 1:52:54 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: newnhdad

“...beyond providing material support and assisting the Uks in arming up to prevent future forays beyond the Sudetenland.. I mean Crimea...”

Ha! A nice lite touch there! And I agree. We don’t need to throw troops everywhere but that nice missile defense that Poland wanted is worth another look as well as a few toys for Ukraine and other pals.


30 posted on 03/10/2014 1:58:23 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: newnhdad
Nobody I’ve spoken to thinks it’s rational to get involved beyond providing material support and assisting the Uks in arming up to prevent future forays beyond the Sudetenland.. I mean Crimea...

When all else fails, play the Hitler card.

Saddam was "Hitler," Milosevic was "Hitler," Assad is "Hitler," now it's Putin's turn. With somebody crying wolf over a new Hitler of the month each time I glance at a website, it's understandable that people have gotten a little skeptical.

31 posted on 03/10/2014 1:58:46 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"The GOP opposed helping the Libyan............."

The NeoCon Republicans were the first to want to intervene in Libya. The Realist Republicans opposed. Bob Gates, Henry Kissinger, and James Baker very publicly opposed. It was only after the Liberal Interventionist democrats negotiated the multilateral agreement that Obama intervened. The multilateral agreement was set up by Susan Rice, Samantha Power, and Hillary.

The NeoCons praised Obama for intervening. Bill Kristol proclaimed Obama to be a "Born Again NeoCon". Of course they criticized him too, saying he should have gone in immediately instead of waiting for the multilateral agreement. And since Obama went in multilaterally, they complained he was leading from behind. Hardcore NeoCon John Bolton complained because Obama didn't put boots on the ground in Libya.

As for arming the Syrian rebels, look at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee vote to arm the rebels in May of 2013. That passed the committee 15 to 3. The NeoCons(R), the Realists(R & D), and the liberal interventionists(D) voted yes. The 3 no votes were the 2 antiwar dems(Udall and Murphy) plus the GOP isolationist Randy Paul. After that vote, Mike Lee joined Paul, Udall, and Murphy on legislation to block the arming.

Its not about a Republican versus Democrat. Its about NeoCons, Realists, and Liberal Interventionists.

On the recent issue of imposing additional sanctions on Iran before the negotiations played out, The NeoCons(led by Sen Kirk) and the Liberal Interventionists(led by Sen Menendez) wanted the additional sanctions. The Realists led by Sen Feinstein(D) and Sen Corker(R) opposed the additional sanctions. The antiwar dems and GOP isolationists also opposed the sanctions.

32 posted on 03/10/2014 2:16:28 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: McGruff

Hey Ukraine: you disbanded your military because we promised to protect you.

Bet you feel like morons now. :)


33 posted on 03/10/2014 2:19:53 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Ben Ficklin
Its not about a Republican versus Democrat. Its about NeoCons, Realists, and Liberal Interventionists.

Neocons and Liberal Interventionists usually differ only in rhetoric (liberal interventionists tend to use more "humanitarian" sugar-coat for their crusades, but there's plenty of overlap here), not in substance. Both hark back to the Wilsonian tradition.

Come to think of it, most neocons are closer to liberals on a whole host of issues, from support for the welfare state (albeit less "wasteful") to support for liberal immigration policy than they do with traditional conservatives. Makes you wonder why neoconservatives don't just go back to the Democratic party where they belong and leave the GOP to the realists and libertarians.

34 posted on 03/10/2014 2:28:08 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Ben Ficklin

PS - Which prominent Democrats are foreign policy realists? It seems to me that Democrats are either Wilsonian internationalists (the majority) or George McGovern-style pacifists (mostly a thing of the past). The only really prominent Democratic realist who comes to mind is the aging Zbiegnew Brzezinski. In contrast, in the GOP you have Wilsonian internationalists (neocons), realists (Reaganites), and “isolationists” (libertarians, paleoconservatives).


35 posted on 03/10/2014 2:31:58 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: McGruff

Can’t think of any compelling reasons to send Americans to die for Ukraine either.


36 posted on 03/10/2014 2:32:39 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
The NeoCons are just as Idealistic(humanitarian and nation building) as the interventionists(internationalists). The big difference between the two is that NeoCons are Unilateralists and the Liberal Interventionists are Multi-Lateralists.

The NeoCons say the new world order can't be built on multilateral agreements.

37 posted on 03/10/2014 2:36:04 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The party ‘Right Sector’ uses the Wolfsangel symbol on their armbands. Same as the 2nd SS Das Reich divisions emblem. They began as the socialist nationalist party.

We are being fed propaganda. But what makes you think only one side is feeding it to you?
For extra credit, explain why Lindsey, McCain, Hillary, the EU, and Obama agree with you.


38 posted on 03/10/2014 2:44:52 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

In the senate Feinstein and Nelson(FL). John Kerry. Joe Biden(joined at the hip with Lugar), Obama(Lugar was his mentor)(Zbig was Obama’s mentor at Columbia?), Leon Panetta. When you say Zbig, include Sam Nunn and Lee Hamilton with Zbig.


39 posted on 03/10/2014 2:56:58 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

The party ‘Right Sector’ uses the Wolfsangel symbol on their armbands. Same as the 2nd SS Das Reich divisions emblem. They began as the socialist nationalist party.

We are being fed propaganda. But what makes you think only one side is feeding it to you?
For extra credit, explain why Lindsey, McCain, Hillary, the EU, and Obama agree with you.


40 posted on 03/10/2014 2:57:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Obama (along with Biden and Kerry) ran as a realist (or, when courting the far-left, a McGovernite pacifist) conducts foreign policy like a liberal interventionist, albeit not as aggressive as Clinton. Similarly, George W. Bush ran as a Reaganite realist, but his foreign policy was neoconservative.

Feinstein was on board with most of Clinton's foreign policy initiatives, she only opposed Bush's because he had an "R" rather than a "D" next to his name.

You're right about Nunn, I haven't followed Nelson very closely so I can't comment.

41 posted on 03/10/2014 3:02:10 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: DesertRhino
We are being fed propaganda. But what makes you think only one side is feeding it to you?

Usually, in any armed conflict or likely armed conflict, both sides are lying. The only question is whose tiny grain of truth is larger by a milligram or two.

42 posted on 03/10/2014 3:03:26 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Serious question. Are you historically challenged? What is going on right now is the same thing. I’m tired of people ignoring history because it has become fashionable to do so.
Read the history of the beginnings of WWI, the aftermath, the beginnings of WW2, the aftermath.
I don’t like using the much thrown around comparison either but this time it applies.
Saddam might not have applied but he did use gas to kill his own people and he did annex neighbors to exploit their resources, Milo was trying to cleanse mooslimbs, I have no idea why it’s used for Assad..
Your point noted but ignoring history does not help anyone.


43 posted on 03/10/2014 3:05:37 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

yeah, the reconstitution of the Soviet Union is not optimal and to give the prior victims (Pole, Chechs, Uks, Georgians, Lats, Estons) some help (even if it’s token) might just be enough to make the ruskies think twice about Barry’s flexibility.


44 posted on 03/10/2014 3:09:25 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: newnhdad
Read the history of the beginnings of WWI, the aftermath,

Interesting that you bring up WWI, allegedly to back up your point. That was one war that the US could and should have easily avoided involvement in, but Woodrow Wilson's tropes about "keeping the world safe for democracy" and British propaganda managed to dupe a lot of people into seriously believing that the Kaiser's army was on the verge of attacking New York and Chicago.

You see the same kind of empty fear-mongering every time neoconservatives and liberals agitate for another war.

The Putin/Hitler comparison is ludicrous for too many reasons to list. Let's start with the fact that Hitler was an ideologue whose goal was the conquest of all of Europe and the extermination of entire ethnic groups. Show me something similar from Putin, either his version of Mein Kampf or any plausible scenario under which he'd launch an attack against a western NATO nation and I'll take your (and Hillary's) assertions seriously.

45 posted on 03/10/2014 3:14:46 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: mac_truck
Svoboda is just part of coalition of parties opposed to closer ties with Russia — that might be the only thing the other members of the coalition agree with them about.
46 posted on 03/10/2014 3:16:06 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: DesertRhino
“The party ‘Right Sector’ uses the Wolfsangel symbol. ...”

Symbols mean different things in different cultures. Consider the meaning of the Confederate flag, in different parts of the U.S.A. The various wolf hook symbols go back a long way before Nazism. That's not meant in any way to defend any organization with Nazi tendencies. The parties in the coalition government in Kiev are only united in opposition to being absorbed by Russia. You have no reason to cast aspersions on all the supporters of the rebel alliance in Kiev.

Where did I say that I thought only one side was using propaganda? Of course, propaganda is being shoveled at us from several directions. I prefer to be skeptical about it all. Why are you so anxious to defend the Russian version of events?

47 posted on 03/10/2014 3:27:51 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: McGruff
For what possible rationale would such a question even be voiced.

NONE OF OUR BUSSINESS.

Our Narcissist in Chief is so jealous of Putin's popularity both in Russia AND here, that he's liable to pop a carotid artery...

48 posted on 03/10/2014 3:32:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: All

I wonder how many Americans can even find Ukraine on the map, let alone want to get involved over there.
I don’t even want sanctions. It only hurts the average citizen, Putin the oligarchs have more than enough money to get around any sort of blockades.

Obama is just made that Putin made him look foolish on at least three separate occasions. This is just cheap vindictiveness on his part.


49 posted on 03/10/2014 3:48:43 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: RatRipper

Nothing in politics is on accident


50 posted on 03/10/2014 4:37:40 PM PDT by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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