Skip to comments.Who travels with a stolen passport?
Posted on 03/10/2014 4:46:55 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
How difficult is it to board a plane with a stolen passport?
Not as hard as you might think.
In any major international airport, it's not uncommon to have your passport checked four times or more between check-in and boarding the aircraft. But if passenger documents aren't checked against Interpol's database of Stolen and Lost Travel Documents, travelers using those documents can slip through layers of security.
Investigators don't yet know if the travelers with stolen passports had anything to do with the plane's disappearance. On any given day, many people travel using stolen or fake passports for reasons that have nothing to with terrorism, aviation security expert Richard Bloom told CNN.
They might be trying to immigrate illegally to another country, or they might be smuggling stolen goods, people, drugs or weapons or trying to import otherwise legal goods without paying taxes, said Bloom, director of terrorism, intelligence and security studies at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University.
"For all of those reasons, the very notion that passports might be important in this particular situation may be a red herring," Bloom said.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Drug Smugglers, illegals trying to get asylum..but the fact that you have a man named Mr. Ali in Iran, paying cash the night before a flight for two men with stolen passports raises the biggest red flag ever. This smells like a dry run, some say “Well how come no one has claimed responsibility yet” well why would they, if they have figured out the trick to get on board a plane and destroy it why would they tell. Also, the five people who booked their flights but never got on board, what do they have to do with all this
Passports have your photo in it. Don’t passport checkers compare your face with the passport photo?
Less than 2% on an international flight with fraudulent passports may not be unusual.
As I have been reading about stolen passports and the passengers who didn’t board, one amusing thought that I have had, is how unlucky for any criminal types who are connected in any way with that flight, who were merely conducting their quiet, routine criminal activities, and living under the radar.
That moment has sure passed.
Spy’s and drug dealers mainly.
Five people not showing for that flight is a small number.
In some of these countries they are more concerned about collecting an entry fee or returning stupid paper work. I know they don’t look very hard at pictures. In one country, the Guy was looking at the picture on my Brasilian VISA.
The Airlines do more checking on the credit card you used to buy the tickets than they do the passport you’re identifying yourself with.
My nephew just flew to Ireland and after getting on board realized that they had given him another person’s boarding pass from the check-in counter. He had gotten by at least 4 checks. If he had not brought it up to the cabin attendant no one would have said a word. They made him deplane, retrieve his luggage and check it in again.
If understand the story correctly, the five DID show up for the flight and checked their baggage, but didn’t get in line to board.
Likely more is known about these five than anyone is saying right now.
There are people who can change passport photos skillfully enough that a microscopic exam would be necessary to detect to fraud.
In the old days, it was possible to replace the photo. If they don't check against a database, as well as against your face, they are accepting the passport at face value. Or, they may just be checking that it's a valid number.
Don’t know if anyone mention it, but we have tens of millions right here in the U.S. with fraudulent ID of all types...And they illegally vote, work, and collect tax paid prizes and gifts from your government.
But as this report shows, fake passports are readily available and in widespread use. If the Interpol database were used regularly then spying would be difficult. So it is likely that the database is widely ignored.
Fake licenses, or real ones generated by corrupt government officials with fake names are also widespread. Street prices of under $500 indicate just how common and easy to get they are.
If Interpol now says a few percent of passengers having fake passports isn't unheard of, you can assume hundreds of people fly daily in the USA using fake IDs. So much for all that effort checking IDs.
I believe there is one in the white hut that is using a fraudulent Social Security number.
Just up on Drudge — “Fake passport holders Iranian Nationals.”
(I haven’[t read article yet)
Thank You ... will take a look.
Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian
The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.
A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.
The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.
The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.
They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.
One of the Iranian nationals’ intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while the other wanted to travel to Denmark.
The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.
An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were looking for a place to settle.
College student in 1981 traveling to Pakistan!
Read earlier, in some link, where one of the persons of interest had been identified. Might mean both are now known to authorities.
Sarah - can you post on breaking news? Lots of people would like to see this BBC/Telegraph report.
last line: they “just wanted to “settle” in Europe” Haha
I would post it but would you believe all my time on this board and I still dont know how to post a thread LOL I did it a few times when I first started but I forgot how and would probably do it all wrong anyway
Someone posted it already :-)
" How difficult is it to board a plane with a stolen passport? "
"A European security official said it wasn't uncommon for passengers to board flights using stolen passports."Quoting title of thread:
"Who travels with a stolen passport?"
For starters, those two w/stolen passports on the missing Malaysian flight. . .
Same here - that’s why I asked you. Maybe No to illegals will post. Hint.
already up on main page
Its all good 2ndDivisionVet ended up posting the story
When dealing with Iran, anything is possible
I'd say it's either a very wet run or no run at all.
The travel agent said she'd been booking flights for this Mr Ali several times a month for the last three years. Also, that she initially had booked the two guys in question on Qatar Airways, but that that booking had expired before Mr Ali paid. When she went to rebook, it turned out Malaysian Airlines via Beijing was cheaper, so she took that one, the supposed objective being to get the guys to Europe the cheapest way. One would think terrorists would be more particular about what airlines they fly on.
It will be real interesting to Mr Ali's story, whether he knew the guys were using stolen passports, etc.
Also, the five people who booked their flights but never got on board, what do they have to do with all this
Supposedly, their luggage was pulled when they didn't show before the flight departed.
That is because credit cards are managed by the private sector.
One of the five has said that he canceled because business called and had him go elsewhere.
Qatar is a hated US Friend. It makes sense that Mr. ali would book two tickets to Paradise on Qatar airlines.
Four on the same plane is pushing the odds.
it was a very short trip.
“...it’s not uncommon to have your passport checked four times or more between check-in and boarding the aircraft.”
Does this mean looked at 4 times or checked against a database 4 times. Or rather 4 chances to have your passport checked against a database of stolen passports?
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