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Missing MH370: Kelantan duo report seeing lights 'falling' at high speed
The Star Online ^ | 11MAR2014 | Staff writer

Posted on 03/10/2014 10:19:25 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

KOTA BARU: The authorities here have their hands full after receiving at least two reports from the public that they saw an aircraft flying low on the same day Malaysian Airlines MH370 vanished.

In his report, the owner of a fishing boat claimed that he saw an airplane flying low while he was at sea with a friend about 14.4km from Kuala Besar in Pantai Cahaya Bulan here at 1.30am on Saturday.

Azid Ibrahim, 66, said the aircraft was heading towards international waters.

According to him, the plane was flying so low that he could see the lights “as big as coconuts”.

He said he saw the aircraft with his friend Pak De while five other anglers were asleep in the boat.

In a report which appeared on a local English news portal, a man in Ketereh, 30km south of Kota Baru, claimed that he saw “bright white lights” which he believed to be that of an aircraft descending at high speed at 1.45am the same day the jetliner went missing.

Businessman Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, said he was in the compound of his home when he saw the aircraft flying low, heading for Bachok and descending fast.

He said he only found out about the missing jetplane the next day and decided to lodge a report at the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency office in Tok Bali late Sunday evening.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: altitude; flying; iran; low; malaysia; mh370; waronterror

1 posted on 03/10/2014 10:19:26 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Interesting. Someone take control of the plane, dive and then fly under the radar?

Just interpreting the article. My tin foil hat is next to me. I am not wearing it.


2 posted on 03/10/2014 10:27:25 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I speculate that the aircraft has been either hijacked by the Iranians or stolen with the cap and f.o.’s permission. They turned the aircraft around, dropped to a low altitude to avoid radar but burning fuel at a higher rate than at cruising altitude, and flew to a remote airfield in one of many numerous islands in that region of the world, disembarked the passengers, and have loaded an Iranian nuke on board. That 777 will be repainted and re-programmed to look like another legitimate civilian aircraft. Then it will be flown into US airspace and detonated over a large city either in CA or NY. It probably would not be detected until it was too late.


3 posted on 03/10/2014 10:31:45 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; gunsequalfreedom

Bizarre: missing Malaysia Airlines passengers’ phones ring, but no one answers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131568/posts


4 posted on 03/10/2014 10:36:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That’d make a good Tom Clancy movie plot.


5 posted on 03/10/2014 10:37:52 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Fighter jet intercepting and shooting down the airliner??


6 posted on 03/10/2014 10:40:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bizarre: missing Malaysia Airlines passengers’ phones ring, but no one answers”

It’s probably in the aircraft terminal where the passanger forgot to pick it up after it went through the x-ray machine.


7 posted on 03/10/2014 10:42:39 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’ll stay essentially “active” because it all goes to the servers before the towers try to push it down. I’ve called phones that were ‘out of range’ and you get a ‘ringing’. It’s nothing more than communications software making you think you reached a phone, when in fact it may be unreachable. Like at the bottom of the ocean.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 10:47:21 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: All

I mean ‘active’ until cancelled and since the passengers are probably not alive, a billing cycle or two, or family intervention will usually be necessary to cancel the service.


9 posted on 03/10/2014 10:48:29 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thank you, Amazing Criswell.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 10:50:34 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: F15Eagle

I’ve heard that cell phones contain global positioning system transponders inside. If that’s true, then would it be possible to triangulate the location of the passengers phones? Is that at all possible???


11 posted on 03/10/2014 10:50:46 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Minimum runway for take off is 5000 feet empty, 7000 half-full, and 9000+ for completely full.

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/777_2lr3er.pdf

Your job is to locate all airports in a reasonable radius, say 3-4 hours from last known location, that have such runways.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 10:53:17 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Not GPS trqnsponders but receivers (most phones now). No need to triangulate, the latitude and longitude are right there in a data packet. But you’ve got to have communication with the phone. Some phones do not have the GPS chips and those need to be triangulated from nearby towers.


13 posted on 03/10/2014 10:55:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Only if the cell phone can ping by it self-checking (pinging the towers) say to look for active messages or texts that have been stored on the software system’s servers that would then be downloaded. The phones do this automatically, IF they’re capable.

If multiple towers are in range, then a triangulation can be performed. Perhaps some have GPS that gives out location. If they’re underwater, getting a good signal may be impossible, even if the phone survived the impact and the descent into the water. That would be my guess where they are.

I once had to call 911 to report my car failing in the middle of traffic and creating a traffic situation on a bridge, needing a police officer to redirect traffic until it could be moved. After the completion of the call, the phone went into a GPS mode of sorts, letting its position be known.

BUT I had initiated the 911 call.


14 posted on 03/10/2014 10:58:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

How long you reckon it took them to build a 9000 foot concrete landing strip on one of those islands?

I do hope they didn’t forget to build a jetty to bring in the kerosene they will need to take off again ...


15 posted on 03/10/2014 10:59:45 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: steve86

Yeah, that was what I was trying to imply there. Part of it, anyways. Kinda like my old GPS units — if it can find a satellite (signal).


16 posted on 03/10/2014 11:00:30 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That part of the world, there is a sh$tload boats, all the time, someone saw something


17 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:03 PM PDT by cmsgop ( The left always accuses the right for the sins of the left. from FReeper Just Lori, RIP)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Was watching the local news now and supposedly a large debris field has been spotted off the coast of Vietnam, dont know if this is a false lead or it could mean something


18 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:42 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This sighting, if it proves relevant, would be consistent with theories suggesting the Malaysian Airlines 777-200 SR was commandeered and re-routed to some remote location, into the variable "heart of darkness" but well inside the realm of the very nasty AQ franchise headquartered in the southern Philippines.

On the map above this sighting would have been near the far northern coast of Sulawesi, or, if you prefer, the southern side of the Celebes Sea, at about 120° plus - southeast of the "last contact, rather than the 90° course indicated. About two hours flight time, more at low altitude, but still well before pre-dawn twilight.

I would not, definitely not, give the AQ Philippians credit for such an operation, but they might serve well as actors providing a hypothetical staging area for a cooperative operation whose end-game would still be unknown, one that perhaps included Tehran and God knows who else.

That group likes hostages, too.

They had the fuel, perhaps the skill.

If one were inclined to speculate further, and imagine such an hypothetical operation still underway, a wider search concentrated under the last contact would allow time to prepare for using the aircraft as a weapon, while attention in concentrated elsewhere.

However, such hypothetical conspirators would still need to act quickly because they will not be able to hide indefinitely.

The time of this Red Eye flight would have granted sufficient cover before local sunrise, the fuel was heavy, and perhaps most ominously, the aircraft has an very long range.

The Australians and perhaps the Japanese should exercise due diligence. .

19 posted on 03/11/2014 12:06:50 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I’ve heard that cell phones contain global positioning system transponders inside. If that’s true, then would it be possible to triangulate the location of the passengers phones? Is that at all possible???


Yes. If these phones were still active after the “crash” and near any towers, they would be pinging the towers. Every single ping is archived with data identifying the phone. There is even a youtube video from a guy that subpoena’d the phone records for his phone and used the raw tower data to create an animated map showing where his phone (and he) was during part of that time period.

I used to work with law enforcement relations for one of the big phone companies that associates itself with a color I hate. If your cell phone is on and there are any towers nearby, there is a record being kept of your position. If there are lots of towers, it can be pinpointed almost as accurately as with gps. I’ve seen it done (with my phone, while I watched it being done).


20 posted on 03/11/2014 12:16:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Indeed. Google AT&T “LIS Hybrid” for location information services hybrid. The other carriers have similar offerings.

Just using cell phone tower triangulation, ANY of the carriers’ software can regionally locate you.

From there it drops down to well under 50’ ... once you get into the good stuff.

Small point: the towers ping the connected phones as much as the phones ping the towers/network. Every phone that’s on periodically has a digital ACK/NACK of sorts with the towers.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 12:27:53 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Blueflag

When we drove from Seattle to our new home in KY the first time I told my friends that if need be the phone company could plot my entire course as well as when I was where I was.

And via triangulation, they were able to plot the location of my phone within a few feet. As they zoomed in, the map showed the building I was in and pinpointed me at about 20 feet from the outside wall, which was pretty much dead on.

And no gps.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 12:35:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: gunsequalfreedom; All

Another FR article just posted speaks of two fishermen who saw a plane very low streaking toward international waters.


23 posted on 03/11/2014 12:44:50 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: punchamullah
Lot of old unused airports in Vietnam and Cambodia left over from the Vietnam war that can handle that aircraft.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

24 posted on 03/11/2014 12:44:52 AM PDT by expatguy (Donate to "An American Expat in SE Asia")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Malaysia Sending Ships to Check Debris Near Hong Kong

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-10/plane-debris-hunters-seek-suspected-aircraft-window-part.html


25 posted on 03/11/2014 1:38:13 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Jack Hydrazine

And the Presidents son, his cousin, and a retired CIA operative, all working for this shadow agency with unlimited funds, will drop onto the wings of the airplane. They will crawl to the exit doors and using they spy lock picks, they will enter the craft unseen. Two of them will diffuse the bomb, while the other meets and falls in love with the flight attendant/terrorist. Eventually, while joining the mile high club, the Presidents son has to kill the flight attendant—meaning he will never find true love again.

They all parachute out of the plane. But not until they set the auto pilot to take the plane to LAX where it lands unattended, with no one knowing the mystery.

Is it like that?


26 posted on 03/11/2014 2:49:57 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Ref post #3.

You definitely have a tin hat on. On the other hand, your theory and opinion is as good as anyone else’s right now.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 3:45:56 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: expatguy

Not to pick at nits, but none of those “lots of airports” are on one of the “numerous islands” in the vicinity.

I am curious, however, as to which airports you may be speaking of. Tan Son Nhut, Da Nang, maybe Cam Ranh had long strips. Were there others in Vietnam? I was not aware that any fixed wing air operations were launched out of Cambodia; did I miss something?


28 posted on 03/11/2014 3:48:53 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: Prospero

The reported sighting was off the coast of Kelantan, more than 1500 miles from Sulawesi.

Your plot would have put the aircraft just a few miles north of Swallow Reef, however, and well within radar range of the Royal Malaysian Air Force base there.


29 posted on 03/11/2014 3:59:24 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"It probably would not be detected until it was too late."

Stop reading my mind - you're freaking me out.....

30 posted on 03/11/2014 4:03:54 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That is some speculation there ;)


31 posted on 03/11/2014 5:28:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Prospero

MH370 detected above Malacca Straits at 2.40am
http://my.news.yahoo.com/mh370-detected-above-malacca-straits-2-40am-062617741.html


32 posted on 03/11/2014 5:53:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Prospero

Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311


33 posted on 03/11/2014 5:56:28 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Prospero

Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 5:58:42 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Well either that or somebody is going to want a big ransom for the jet and each passenger. The only thing is that it takes a 12,000 ft runway to land a Boeing 777 and the concrete has to be about 3ft thick. I would think hard to land without being detected.

The cell phones still ringing is really weird.


35 posted on 03/11/2014 8:13:37 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Vermont Lt

That’s the movie version...


36 posted on 03/11/2014 8:26:43 AM PDT by null and void ( Obama is Law-Less because Republican "leaders" are BALL-LESS!!)
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To: null and void

I am available for re-writes.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 11:35:39 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: gleeaikin

I saw that article also. Interesting.

With the capabilities of government to keep track of everything it is hard to believe they don’t know exactly what happened but perhaps can’t say because it would reveal their spy capabilities.

Or maybe it is exactly as it is being presented.

I find it hard to believe a jetliner could take the kind of flight path these two people say without detection.

Who knows what to believe at this point. This long without any sign of wreckage is sure odd.


38 posted on 03/11/2014 11:42:19 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Wow, that is quite a theory. They would have to have some significant capability to be able to pull that one off.

Without trying to sound rude, have your considered a career in fiction writing. Sounds like a really good book plot.


39 posted on 03/11/2014 11:44:37 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Or they could sell the plane on the black market. How much they could get for it, I don’t know.

I read that a smart phone owned by one of the passengers on board stayed on until Monday.


40 posted on 03/11/2014 8:08:35 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

What if it went to Somalia or some other remote area?


41 posted on 03/11/2014 8:15:40 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Suspect either the satellites have something and they don’t want to say, or the satelites don’t have something and they don’t want to admit lack of coverage/capability.


42 posted on 03/13/2014 1:06:17 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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