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Busted! Flight Radar Caught Changing Flight Path of Malaysia Flight 370! (VIDEO)
GoogTube ^ | 9MAR2014 | DAHBOO77

Posted on 03/10/2014 10:24:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

All the proof is right here. The first link will be to the first video showing it going down off Malaysia's coast. The second is to Flight Radar!

First Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpbZZKqxy0

FlightRadar24.com http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-09/01:16/24x/17.67,110.32/7


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror

1 posted on 03/10/2014 10:24:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The “tracks” on those websites are created by civilian receivers that transmit info of planes they detect. There’s a huge margin of error, and a plane’s reported “position” can jump by dozens, if not a hundred, miles as it moves from one coverage area to another, particularly when it crosses a coastline. Not to mention, that’s a privately-run website, not some “official source”. All that video demonstrates is the imprecision of the websites track-generator algorithm.


2 posted on 03/10/2014 10:32:09 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Proof of what?

Variations in course are a normal thing for these tracking sites. The aircraft was en route to Beijing and its course...until near the last, was in accordance with that.

On the night it happened, I heard one report that the transponders from the aircraft itself showed an abrupt departure from course, slowing of speed, and abrupt drop in altitude of several hundred feet in the few seconds before the transponder went dead altogether.

IMHO, this is indicative of a catastrophic failure and disintegration of the aircraft at speed and at high altitude (35,000 ft).

If that indeed occurred...we are still not sure at all why it occurred. My own opinion is that it is more likely a human induced cause, and perhaps terrorism.

But until they find the flight and voice recorders, and can see some of the debris, we will not know enough to be sure.


3 posted on 03/10/2014 10:35:15 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s sitting in a hangar at Wright-Patterson. I can’t say any more.


4 posted on 03/10/2014 10:35:32 PM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Dude.... 0 feet .. 10,000,feet, 32,000 feet.. 0 feet...

Dude...


5 posted on 03/10/2014 10:39:11 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: Little Pig
All that video demonstrates is the imprecision of the websites track-generator algorithm.

I am assuming that was a regularly scheduled flight so lets look at the radar tracks from the previous days (weeks) and compare that to what we see here.

... that’s a privately-run website, not some “official source”.

I am amused by your faith in official source(s).

6 posted on 03/10/2014 10:42:19 PM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Jack Hydrazine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpbZZKqxy0


7 posted on 03/10/2014 10:43:20 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Jeff Head

I am not a 777 pilot, but it appears the 777 has primary and backup generators on both engines, a generator of the APU and a RAT.


8 posted on 03/10/2014 10:48:20 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
He's showing the same flight on different days. Also anyone who's spent time tracking aircraft online knows there are frequent anomalous data.
9 posted on 03/10/2014 10:53:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Little Pig

I have said it 100 times.
The website is only as good as the algorithm the software guy wrote.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 10:54:57 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: JohnG45

My point is not that “official sources” are reliable, but that a site like FlightRadar, which is solely for entertainment, should not be given the kind of credibility it’s being given in that video. It’s not an authoritative source. Those sites do not get feeds from ATC, except over the US and then its on a 5-minute delay. The name “FlightRadar” is misleading, since it does not rely on radar in the first place.


11 posted on 03/10/2014 10:57:24 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Ken H

Don’t get talked into playing cutthroat pinochle with that gray guy. I hear he’ll take you to the cleaners.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 10:58:02 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: Little Pig
Unfortunately, the person narrating has a very limited grasp of how those internet aircraft radar maps work. the image of the aircraft (where it is pointing) is just an icon, and meaningless. The essential information is the track (the line defining the direction in which the icon is moving.) The location of the icon is not continuously moving on the display, but is "refreshed" every 5 to 10 seconds.

If the icon appears to be moving sideways, it doesn't mean the real airplane is moving sideways.

On the other hand, if the icon disappears suddenly altogether, what is really happening is dependent on the software driving the display. For example, when the aircraft is at around 400' height above the ground, the image disappears, but the actual aircraft just dropped "below the radar" on landing approach.

The image of a real air traffic display would be much more useful, but I doubt we will ever see that posted on the internet until long after the accident investigation is completed.

13 posted on 03/10/2014 11:01:48 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Here’s a good, but long, explanation of how sites like this actually work:

http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works


14 posted on 03/10/2014 11:02:39 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Ken H


Back to seriousness, my sympathies and prayers for the families. I doubt this will end well. Kinda like Air France 447, IIRC.
15 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:01 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: publius911

I know. That’s why something like this cannot be a “smoking gun”. The guy obviously thinks he’s found proof of a conspiracy, when all he’s done is exposed the inaccuracy of civilian, for-entertainment-only, flight tracking websites.


16 posted on 03/10/2014 11:04:22 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Jeff Head; Kirkwood; Paleo Conservative; publius911; Little Pig
The guy in the video is comparing two different flights on two different days

The missing plane is B772 9M-MRO

He's comparing it to flight plan of aircraft 9M-MRMQ which flew same route as MH370 (same flight number) the NEXT day.

The day after aircraft # 9M-MRE flew that route.

See: FlightRadar24 (Full flight history for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370).

17 posted on 03/10/2014 11:10:36 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade)
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To: kitchen

F*cker knows what you have in your hand before you know it


18 posted on 03/10/2014 11:25:21 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of ingtheir political choices.")
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To: Little Pig
Your description of flight radar is kind of tangled up.

Flight radar is a combination of FAA data and civilian receivers. The FAA data is a world wide compilation consisting of commercial and most corporate aircraft. Civil aircraft are generally phasing into this database by requirements to upgrade or install for the first time more sophisticated transponders. The FAA data is updated about every 3 minutes as I recall.

Where the civilian transponder receivers fit in is primarily with civil aviation as these aircraft are not likely to have satellite communications. These receivers can fill the gaps so to speak for civil aircraft generally and to give more rapid updates in high traffic areas such as airport approaches. The receiver range can be 50 miles or so as I recall but varies quit a bit depending on hardware, antenna and geography.

In between receiving data updates, flight radar displays an estimated position based on speed and heading from the most recent data update. The data box in the sidebar off the map has the speed, heading, altitude, etc. if the most recent hard fix. You can see it change every few minutes.

That youtube video was intriguing. It showed the positional and flight deviations were radically different between the “live “ data and the archived data that I think he said was about 24 hours later. Why the changes?

19 posted on 03/11/2014 12:42:03 AM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: All

March 8th statement from “Flightradar24” on their Facebook page:


Here is a #MH370 situation update from Flightradar24 because of the many questions we get.

The ADS-B transponder of an aircraft is transmitting data twice per second. FR24 saves data every 10-60 second depending on altitude. On cruising altitude data is normally saved once per 60 seconds. By analyzing all our databases and logs we have managed to recover about 2 signals per minute for the last 10 minutes.

The last location tracked by Flightradar24 is
Time UTC: 17:21:03
Lat: 6.97
Lon: 103.63
Alt: 35000
Speed: 471 knots
Heading: 40

Between 17:19 and 17:20 the aircraft was changing heading from 25 to 40 degrees, which is probably completely according to flight plan as MH370 on both 4 March and 8 March did the same at the same position. Last 2 signals are both showing that the aircraft is heading in direction 40 degrees.

Today there are reports in media that MH370 may have turned around. FR24 have not tracked this. This could have happened if the aircraft suddenly lost altitude as FR24 coverage in that area is limited to about 30000 feet.

FR24 have not tracked any emergency squawk alerts for flight MH370 before we lost coverage of the aircraft. Playback for flight MH370 is available on
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh370#2d81a27

If you have questions about how Flightradar24 works, please read
http://www.flightradar24.com/how-it-works



20 posted on 03/11/2014 1:00:17 AM PDT by Drago
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To: Hootowl99

FAA radar data is only supplied for aircraft in US airspace. Everywhere else in the world, the data comes from aircraft ADS-B transponder data, which is picked up by internet-enabled receivers. These are often peripherals attached to privately-owned PCs used by civilian Ham or radio enthusiasts. ADS-B is present on a limited number of airliners (about 70% of European/Asian, and 30% US; largely Airbus, some of the Boeings). The majority of civil aviation actually is not covered by this, nor are most smaller business jets, so all that you see are the big airliners.

I suspect the confusion over the term “flight radar” is coming from my example of the website by the name “flightradar24”. It and several other flight tracking websites use similar terminology, though their graphic displays do not get any direct input from any ATC system.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 1:53:46 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Jeff Head

“.....disintegration of the aircraft at speed and at high altitude (35,000 ft).”...

Should have left one hell of a large debris path, no matter where it went down. The key word is “Disintergration”.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 3:39:48 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Little Pig

“Disintergration”. ......

Opps, one to many letters in that one, take out the “r after “inte”........(Its early)


23 posted on 03/11/2014 3:42:08 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: F15Eagle

What the heck does this guy do to his hair? It looks like he rolls it on jumbo roller, then takes them out & does nothing else to it. I saw him on a program the other day and didn’t hear what he said because I was so amazed that any guy would do that to their hair, much less leave the house & appear on a program looking like that. It’s just the weirdest hair.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 6:51:54 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
A couple of things. The tracks are not tower or ATC tracks, these are network tracks. The data is collected & transmitted via the Internet.

The “fast” track aircraft and some of the other anomalies are probably just network traffic delay related; the aircraft do not speed up/slow down like that shown via the ATC/tower radar systems.

Also, no object goes from 35,000 ft. to zero ft. in one or two frame updates. This is another network traffic artifact.

I'll wait for the real investigators to do their job. These arm chair guys are a wast of my time.

25 posted on 03/11/2014 7:10:01 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Qiviut

I think he must have been nodding his head. He’s got quite the hair, lol, but he’s just plain kooky as can be with his “alien” stuff.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 8:10:48 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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