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Trains Carrying Fracked Oil Could Pass Through More Bay Area Cities, Report Says
CBS 5 San Francisco ^ | 3/10/2014

Posted on 03/11/2014 1:53:52 AM PDT by Vendome

They are proposing to use exactly the same track for these hazardous cars. Totally unacceptable,” said Berkeley Vice Mayor Linda Maio.The hazardous cars Maio is talking about could carry a highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region of North Dakota. It is as flammable as gasoline: as we saw when a 100-car train carrying the fuel derailed in Quebec last summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alternate; bozo; energy; reality
Oh Noes! Fracked oil is just terrible. So dangerous.

Will kill all of us!

You gotta read the full article.

Pure BS and absolute sensationalism.

Load of crock.

1 posted on 03/11/2014 1:53:52 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Vendome
The oil doesn't get fracked, the rock does. Sheesh!

Idiot writer with an idiot agenda.

If it was truly "as flammable as gasoline", you'd never see it, 'cause we'd be burning it in the F-150, and cheap!

2 posted on 03/11/2014 1:58:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

Poorly written article.

Real slanted too. Notice Club Sierra “commissioning” a “scientist and engineer” to write comments to the EIS?

Something stinks to high heaven here.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 2:27:03 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: Smokin' Joe

Didn’t think a person could put that much stupidity into one article but again the folks in Frisco have proven me wrong.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 2:32:46 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: sauropod
The article also ignores that the Lac Megantic incident wasn't caused by the oil, but by a train parked on a grade unattended with the brake pressure bleeding off. It freewheeled down grade into town, and derailed there.

Similarly, the derailment and fire near Casselton, ND happened when the train carrying crude oil collided with cars from another train which had derailed.

It isn't the oil that is the problem (other flammable and hazardous substances are hauled by trains every day--not just crude oil), it is a railroad operating safety issue.

5 posted on 03/11/2014 2:33:26 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Best argument in the world for approval of the XL pipeline.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 2:58:51 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Dusty Road
The sad part is not that these writers are the (at best) ill-informed purveyors of misinformation, so much as there are millions of people out there who do not know any better and lap this crap up.

That broad based ignorance and mental laziness is one of the greatest threats to America.

7 posted on 03/11/2014 3:18:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

High capacity, assault-style DOT-111 tank cars?


8 posted on 03/11/2014 3:33:05 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: dearolddad; thackney
While I agree the Keystone XL pipeline should be built, the XL pipeline will be primarily to transport Canadian oil (tar) sands crude from Alberta to refineries in the Southern US. That is a heavy crude which requires different refining regimens than the Bakken Crude, which is a lighter sweet crude with properties like the benchmark "West Texas Intermediate" crude oil. At any time, only about 100,000 BOPD of Bakken crude were anticipated to go into the XL pipeline at most, a fraction of the XL pipeline's 800,000 BOPD planned capacity, and at present only about a ninth of the Bakken production.

The Canadian crude may replace heavy oil feedstocks for US refineries which were set up to refine Venezuelan crude.

The refining processes are somewhat different for different (heavy vs. light, sweet vs. sour) crude oil, and the setup required varies also. (Thackney can explain the refining end better than I, I work in the drilling end of the industry).

A lot of Bakken crude oil is going to refineries where the Keystone XL pipeline just won't go.

Rail delivery is far more versatile in that regard, whether it be to refineries directly or to transhipment points where the crude is loaded onto barges.

The best argument for the Keystone line is the use of oil produced by our neighbor to the north, instead of that oil going to the Far East (and our dollars going to buy Middle Eastern Oil). Canadians haven't mounted raids against the US since 54.40 or fight, so I don't mind supporting their extractive industries, unlike some Middle Eastern nations which have been a drain on our blood and treasure for decades.

The Bakken crude has a higher distillate fraction than the Tar Sands crude, but nothing much different from West Texas Intermediate. It is no more dangerous than any other oil with similar properties, and coming from rock which has been hydraulically fractured has no bearing on those properties (some 94% of domestic oil production comes from wells which have been hydraulically fractured).

So, basically, this is a ranting hit piece which has little regard for chemistry, physics, geology, facts, or common sense, and has been slapped together to invoke the eeevil fracking spirits to strike terror into the hearts of anyone who sees a black tank car go by on the railroad tracks.

9 posted on 03/11/2014 3:42:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

I suppose it is infinitely safer and better for the environment to put the oil on ships, where a catastrophic failure only dumps the oil in the ocean.

< /sarc >


10 posted on 03/11/2014 4:02:12 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Smokin' Joe
highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region

And here is where the author declares complete lack of understand for the topic he is writing about.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 4:32:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
...highly explosive crude oil fracked from the Bakken region...

And here is where the author declares complete lack of understand for the topic he is writing about.

It's a she, but you are otherwise entirely correct.

And for the record, there is no "Bakken Region" in North Dakota.

There is a Bakken Formation in the Williston Basin, part of which is in North Dakota (The remainder is in Montana and Canada).

12 posted on 03/11/2014 4:59:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

So 4 false claims in 9 words.

At least she got one thing right, it is crude oil.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 5:03:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
We should keep count. I think the writer has set some sort of efficiency record for getting it wrong.

Maybe a Liar (or Dumba$$) of the Month Award...

14 posted on 03/11/2014 5:11:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

When they have to make false statements to make a point, they didn’t actually have a point in the first place.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 5:14:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I agree. However, that doesn't stop them from influencing the low-information folks out there in droves.

The whole idea behind that drivel is to gin up opposition to a process most people know little or nothing about, and to impede, in any way possible, industry in the US.

The Soviets invested (via the KGB) in environmental organizations in the 1970s with the hopeful goal of having a negative impact on Western Industry, and that investment has paid them better dividends than the investments made in their armed forces.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 5:21:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

You expect a TV reporter to have the skills to analyze information at the level of cause and effect??? You’re some kind of cockeyed optimist, SJ!!!


17 posted on 03/11/2014 5:23:08 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Vendome

So let’s just cut off shipments of all crude and refined oil products to San Franciso, with say a five hundred mile buffer zone just to keep them happy and safe.

Then in six months we can move in, level the ruined, looted, burned-out landscape and start over.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:46 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

they are such dick heads in SF


19 posted on 03/11/2014 5:25:41 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: T-Bird45
No, all TV reporters generally know is journalism (pronounce the 'j' like a Norwegian).

It's a hit piece, emotional balderdash.

There was a time when the Average American had the background knowledge to realize that the article is crap, but I think it may have passed.

20 posted on 03/11/2014 5:27:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Vendome

I am not totally convinced about the total safety of fracking even though it’s wonderful for the economy. But I don’t want to hear hysterical chicken little opinions that
just scream “Oh it’s killing Mother Earth” If I read something that challenges fracking, I want it to be a level headed opinion with scientific back up—not a screed as the global warming folks have been doing for years.


21 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:50 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: exDemMom
Actually, if they could load the oil on a barge and ship it to the refinery it would be a lot cheaper to transport and unload at the refinery. Consider this, the boat pulls up to a dock at the refinery, they hook up the pipe and pump it out. Next scenario is the 100 car tanker train pulls up to the refinery. Each tanker has to be hooked up and pumped out individually. That is 100 different hook ups and disconnects. Now, it may be more automated than that, but I have to imagine that there it much more labor involved in loading and unloading 100 tanker cars than there is 1 barge or supertanker. However, last I checked there were not to many rivers in North Dakota, Saskatchewan or Montana that a large tanker ship could transit. I do not believe that they can go that far up the Missouri.
22 posted on 03/11/2014 5:37:52 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (=)
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To: Vendome

Marxists hate oil since it powers capitalism. Destruction of America is their goal, just look at California.

Pray America wakes up


23 posted on 03/11/2014 5:46:56 AM PDT by bray (The Republic of Texas 2022 coming soon)
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To: woodbutcher1963; Eric in the Ozarks
Is there barge traffic from Bismark to the Mississippi?


24 posted on 03/11/2014 5:50:12 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

So how much of the oil is being shipped by barge? Is it more expensive/barrel to ship by this method than by rail?
OR, is it just that the refineries buying this oil are not built on waterways?
Or, are the barges that travel the Missouri not ocean worthy vessels? For example, JD Irving’s refinery in St Johns, New Brunswick is built on the water to load/accept tankers. It would seem to me that shipping by barge/vessel tanker would be more cost effective than shipping by railcar. Enlighten me please.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 6:05:25 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (=)
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To: thackney

I don’t think barges go as far north as Sioux City.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 6:06:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I don’t know the limit of barge traffic on the North end of the Missouri.

I’m asking for input from those more informed on the subject.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 6:21:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I will ask my customer outside of Williston.


28 posted on 03/11/2014 6:43:37 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (=)
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To: Vendome; All

Now to convince San Fran Nan that "fracked oil" isn't a fossil fuel either. (Which it isn't actually)

29 posted on 03/11/2014 10:06:29 AM PDT by Syncro (So? -Andrew Breitbart [1969-2012] RIP King of The New Media)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Idiot writer with an idiot agenda.
If it was truly "as flammable as gasoline", you'd never see it, 'cause we'd be burning it in the F-150, and cheap!

The idiocy of this writer is proven, if one were to point out that there are large pipelines in the downtown area of Berkeley that carry aircraft fuel. Some of them are above ground in the open, where a wayward vehicle can easily leave the road and slam into them. The pipelines carry fuel from refineries to area airports.

30 posted on 03/11/2014 10:55:19 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: bray

It also powers Putin....


31 posted on 03/11/2014 7:12:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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