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MH370 detected above Malacca Straits at 2.40am
Malaysiakini via Yahoo ^ | 3/11/2014 | Malaysiakini

Posted on 03/11/2014 1:58:23 AM PDT by MrShoop

The search for Malaysian Airlines MH307 plane has been expanded to Sumatran waters, north of Straits of Malacca, as military radar may have detected the missing plane in the vicinity of Pulau Perak.

A Berita Harian report today quoted the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) as saying the plane may have reversed course further than expected while on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Air Force chief Rodzali Daud ( left ) is quoted as saying that based on military radar readings from its station in Butterworth, MH370 may have turned west after Kota Bahru and flew past the east coast and Kedah.

"The last time the plane was detected was near Pulau Perak, in the Straits of Malacca, at 2.40am," Berita Harian quotes Rodzali as saying.

This contradicts with earlier reports that the aircraft had disappeared from radar screens 120 nautical miles off Kota Bharu and over the South China Sea, at 1.30am on March 8.

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) had previously said the search for the Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, which is missing for the fourth day, had previously been focused around the waters between East Malaysia and Vietnam.

(Excerpt) Read more at my.news.yahoo.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aviation; malaysia; mh370; planecrash
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Interesting twist on the potential location.
1 posted on 03/11/2014 1:58:23 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop

There is an article tonight that they found a debris field in the water closer to Hong Kong. Will find it again.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 2:00:31 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: stlnative
Last known location versus where the article says they are now looking


3 posted on 03/11/2014 2:02:53 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: MrShoop

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1445698/10-chinese-satellites-deployed-search-missing-plane


4 posted on 03/11/2014 2:10:43 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: MrShoop

Malaysia Sending Ships to Check Debris Near Hong Kong
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-10/plane-debris-hunters-seek-suspected-aircraft-window-part.html


5 posted on 03/11/2014 2:13:37 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: MrShoop

In that area are some of the most busy shipping lanes in the world.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 2:14:28 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: MrShoop

Looks like your update is newer than the one I found.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 2:19:50 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
In that area are some of the most busy shipping lanes in the world.

And somebody was watching that area closely. Probably several somebodies...
8 posted on 03/11/2014 2:21:46 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: MrShoop

Weird. For the terrorist conspiracy folks, that puts it on a direct course to the most radical province in Indonesia. However, the idea it could secretly land there is nutz.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 2:25:42 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: MrShoop

BBC map seems helpful: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26525281

Hong Kong seems a way away. We will see, busier shipping lanes would mean a higher likelihood to see something.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 2:27:07 AM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: BeadCounter

Interesting link... pictures of the 2 who used the stolen passports. 2 Iranians.


11 posted on 03/11/2014 2:32:08 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Nepeta

I’m thinking that we are now past the time that even the most remote villages and smallest fishing vessels could have relayed a message about seeing a plane crash by now.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 2:32:45 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Chinese media reports several of the passengers’ mobile phones were connecting when called by relatives, but the calls were not picked up.

“This morning, around 11:40 [am], I called my older brother’s number twice, and I got the ringing tone,” said Bian Liangwei, sister of one of the passengers. At 2:00 pm, Bian called again and heard it ringing again.

“If I could get through, the police could locate the position, and there’s a chance he could still be alive.”

She has passed on the number to Malaysia Airlines and the Chinese police.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 2:39:25 AM PDT by Therapsid
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Unfortunately, these days the widespread mentality often exists that someone else knows about and is doing something about something like this - you know, the liberal mindset.

So it’s possible that in that remote village or on that small fishing vessel, someone may have seen it, but won’t relay any message until word gets back to them that no one knows where the plane crashed.


14 posted on 03/11/2014 2:41:45 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: stlnative

Iranian asylum-seeker used stolen passport on Malaysia Airlines flight, police say
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/11/iranians-reportedly-used-stolen-passports-on-malaysia-airlines-flight-were/


15 posted on 03/11/2014 2:51:39 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Therapsid

There was a whole thread on the calling up the mobile phone phenomenon. Here it is: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131568/posts?q=1&;page=1#1


16 posted on 03/11/2014 3:07:14 AM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: stlnative

Also interesting, the Iranian on the far right: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73496000/jpg/_73496501_iranianstillrotated_blur_2.jpg wears something that kind of looks like a cross.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 3:10:50 AM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory and evening grace)
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To: BeadCounter

I think they’ve determined that the Iranians actually were asylum seekers with no other objective and that the Iranian man who bought their tickets was sort of a professional in arranging such escapes for Iranians. They don’t seem to have been involved in terrorism and it looks like it was just an unfortunate coincidence that they were on that plane.

There were a couple of other stolen passports on the flight, and then there were the five people who checked in at the airport but never showed up for the flight, so there are still mysteries relating to the passengers.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 3:47:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: BeadCounter

“Hong Kong seems a way away. “
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Yes...I do not see how it could have been airborne anywhere near long enough to be that far north.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 3:52:12 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW

So the authorities knew of this when exactly?


20 posted on 03/11/2014 4:20:26 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: MrShoop
I don't know if this is a language issue or what:

09.30 Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, Malaysian civil aviation chief, said earlier that the widened search includes northern parts of the Malacca Strait, on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula and far west of the plane's last known location. Mr Azharuddin would not explain why crews were searching there, saying rather cryptically, "There are some things that I can tell you and some things that I can't."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

21 posted on 03/11/2014 4:26:16 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Therapsid

What she got was a computer that doesn’t know the phone is at the bottom of the sea


22 posted on 03/11/2014 4:31:31 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: stlnative

Perhaps the two Iranians are gay. Homosexuality in Muslim countries is a crime punishable by imprisonment, corporal punishment, or execution.


23 posted on 03/11/2014 4:47:09 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: PghBaldy

I believe the Malaysian Airline and Malaysian govt know way more than they are say which is why the poor suffering families are so livid.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 4:50:12 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cardinal4

“So the authorities knew of this when exactly?”
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They knew when they lost radio and radar contact, long before they could have been so far north.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 4:51:58 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: zencycler

that mindset exists HERE, not so much in other parts of the world.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 4:54:16 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: livius

Escape? We have Iranian students at the local university.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 4:54:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Therapsid

> mobile phones were connecting when called by relatives

No, just simply wishful thinking. If a lost cellphone was active, it could easily be located when it transmits its ack.

You don’t “hear” the target phone ring, you hear what the electronics in the phone system uses to denote a “ring.”


28 posted on 03/11/2014 4:57:10 AM PDT by soycd
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To: AlexW

“So the authorities knew of this when exactly?”
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They knew when they lost radio and radar contact, long before they could have been so far north.
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Well, I’m now adding another (although VERY remote) possibility to my list of possibilities-—the plane may have been shot down by the Malaysian air force.


29 posted on 03/11/2014 4:59:21 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: House Atreides

“the plane may have been shot down by the Malaysian air force.”
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Well yes, but why? This is a standard air route. Why would they select one single plane to destroy?


30 posted on 03/11/2014 5:05:56 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: JimSEA

It is not conspiracy insanity to suggest that NO TRACE could mean that it did NOT crash/blow up/disintegrate, etc.

It is the lesser likelihood, but it is in the realm of the possible. If, as everyone says, we shouldn’t ignore any possibility, then that is a possibility that’s on the list of possibilities that should not be ignored.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 5:09:25 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: AlexW

Well yes, but why? This is a standard air route. Why would they select one single plane to destroy?
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If such a shoot down actually would have occurred, it may most likely have been accidental. Humans screw up.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 5:13:42 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: MrShoop; All

Pulau Perak(Silver Island), Malaysia Map

Just zoom out a few clicks.

http://wikimapia.org/10474995/Pulau-Perak-Silver-Island


33 posted on 03/11/2014 5:14:21 AM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: House Atreides

But I don’t think a “shoot down” is anything but the remotest possibility.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 5:14:43 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: yldstrk

Per the Telegraph (UK)(quote seems to be from my link above) - Malaysian authorities CAN NOT say why they are expanding search area.


35 posted on 03/11/2014 5:15:03 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: House Atreides

IF the Malaysian Air Force knew that the plane had been hijacked, they very well could have shot it down if they suspected it would be crashed(911 style)into some other location.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 5:15:31 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (=)
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To: soycd

Don’t most, if not all, go direct to voicemail if powered off?


37 posted on 03/11/2014 5:15:35 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: Nepeta

And an obligation to render assistance, if observed.


38 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:58 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: jughandle

This is what I was thinking too, but didn’t know for sure if it was most or all phones. Also if they’re out of range, no antenna nearby, terrain, etc.


39 posted on 03/11/2014 5:34:47 AM PDT by KGeorge (Till we're together again, Gypsy girl. May 28, 1998- June 3, 2013)
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To: yldstrk

Ditto...the Boeing 777 is equipped with a messaging that continuously (and automatically) feeds information on the aircraft and its systems. Those messages should be in the possession of the airlines and crash investigators.

When the Air France flight crashed over the South Atlantic, the Airbus was still transmitting data to its maintenance base until just before it hit the water. As I understand it, the system will keep working until it loses power or its battery back-up. Obviously, if there was a massive explosion at altitude, the transmissions would end suddenly, but even that type of event provides some clues.


40 posted on 03/11/2014 5:38:48 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: MrShoop; All

For the record(and for those of you with sensitive sensibilities, you may want to avoid some of the other links on this site):

Pilot: http://www.everyjoe.com/2014/03/08/work/zaharie-ahmad-shah-photos-pilot-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/#1

Co-Pilot: http://www.everyjoe.com/2014/03/08/work/fariq-ab-hamid-photos-copilot-mh370-flight-malaysia-airlines/#1


41 posted on 03/11/2014 5:42:10 AM PDT by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: MrShoop

In a line with Sri Lanka and SOmalia


42 posted on 03/11/2014 5:46:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: AppyPappy

These two were apparently not emigrating legally. I wasn’t sure if they were Iranians who were already refugees in some other country, or if they were sneaking out directly from Iran.

One of them had family that had already gotten to Frankfurt, and in fact it was his mother who called police, suspecting that her son might be on that flight because she knew about his plan to rejoin the family (he had a ticket to Frankfurt).


43 posted on 03/11/2014 5:56:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: MrShoop
FoxNews

Interpol released photos of the 2 Iranians.

Had valid passports when they entered Malaysia. Traded, apparently, passports for 2 European passports.

[Obligatory?] No sign of terrorism or terrorist ties.


44 posted on 03/11/2014 6:02:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: MrShoop

That is quite a difference, isn’t it?


45 posted on 03/11/2014 6:15:23 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: MrShoop

Can’t help being reminded of the Malachi Crunch from Happy Days


46 posted on 03/11/2014 6:23:26 AM PDT by thepatriot1 (...brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue)
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To: stlnative
Malaysia Sending Ships to Check Debris Near Hong Kong

Why wouldn't China send ships to check debris near Hong Kong? It's in their waters.

47 posted on 03/11/2014 6:27:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: PghBaldy
Per the Telegraph (UK)(quote seems to be from my link above) - Malaysian authorities CAN NOT say why they are expanding search area.

It's probably related to intelligence data provided by a third nation ally. China, the U.S. and other nations have that region covered with electronic monitoring from resources on the ground, air, land, sea and from orbit. I'm guessing someone looked at super-top-secret pings of some kind and said "pssstt...look over here, but don't tell anyone we told you."

48 posted on 03/11/2014 6:31:34 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: MrShoop
Have they tried calling this guy to help?
49 posted on 03/11/2014 6:40:56 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: MrShoop

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311

“It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait,” the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.


50 posted on 03/11/2014 6:45:55 AM PDT by stlnative
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