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California mulls how to regulate ‘driverless cars’
Associated Press ^ | Mar 11, 2014 1:53 PM EDT | Justin Pritchard

Posted on 03/11/2014 12:29:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai

The California Department of Motor Vehicles began Tuesday to puzzle through the complex question of how to regulate cars that rely on computers—not people—to drive them.

Once the stuff of science fiction, “driverless cars” could be commercially available by decade’s end. Google already has sent its fleet of Priuses and Lexuses, fitted with an array of sensors, hundreds of thousands of miles in California, and major automakers are testing their own models. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical; US: California
KEYWORDS: driverlesscars; googlecars; lofan; regulation

1 posted on 03/11/2014 12:29:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

how soon will it be until we start working on a people-less congress and govt. ?


2 posted on 03/11/2014 12:35:18 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: Olog-hai

When I first saw 250 ton mine haul dump trucks running autonomously, I knew it would eventually encompass road trucks.

But it’s coming faster than I ever imagined.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 12:40:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Olog-hai

Simple, just keep a total ban in place.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 12:46:37 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Olog-hai

If it brings anything good the government will regulate it...


5 posted on 03/11/2014 12:46:45 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Olog-hai
Wait until the taxi drivers have their say in the matter.

-PJ

6 posted on 03/11/2014 12:47:22 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Olog-hai

Insurance will be more concerned than gov’t.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 12:48:52 PM PDT by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: nascarnation

A mine truck that runs the same path and not having to negotiate more complex traffic scenarios, then throw into the mix the idoits driving the non-autonomys vehicles are two completely different things.

The implications he are huge. Lets just take for example accidents

Who’s at fault?
Will the operator of any regular vehicle always be considered at fault merely because technology lacks inherent human error a real driver can have?

If there is an accident where the driverless car is at fault, who do you sue?

i feel this move towards driverless cars involves a much more sinister agenda than getting a permanent chauffer you won’t have to pay.

This is yet another attempt at more government surveillance and control. Control of your whereabouts. Control over your mileage and the ability to tax those miles. The ability of law enforcement to remotely shutdown your vehicle at. their whim.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 12:57:26 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: nascarnation

A Komatsu haulpack on a small restricted road system at an open pit is quite a bit different than an automobile going 70 mph opposite you on an undivided highway.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 12:57:50 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Olog-hai

If a tree falls in the forest, and there’s no one around to pay the tree-falls-in-the-forest tax, is there still a tax?


10 posted on 03/11/2014 1:00:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: diverteach

I didn’t say it will be easy or perfect.

But it’s going to happen - and yes it will happen because it gives govt control.

The progressives would rather put us in public transportation but we’re a defiant bunch. This will be another path.


11 posted on 03/11/2014 1:00:15 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Olog-hai

I can’t speak for CA but here in MA they won’t be allowed. Only if...ONLY if...the state figures out a way to get Insurance companies to charge us more and get at least half of that money in the right pockets. Then they’ll welcome them and all the accidents with open arms.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 1:02:33 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Truth sounds like hate...to those who hate truth.)
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To: nascarnation

Lefties want control of you. Freedom is so passe.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 1:02:46 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SpaceBar

Remember Usenet groups on dial-up?

Sure you do.

Now we’re communicating at blazing speeds on our mobile wireless devices.


14 posted on 03/11/2014 1:04:13 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

i wanna see one get stopped for speeding,i’d pay for that


15 posted on 03/11/2014 1:10:19 PM PDT by old gringo
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To: GraceG
If it brings anything good the government will regulate it...

Robot cars aren't good for big gov. People that don't drive can easily flee to America from the communist big cities and avoid public transportation. People can live farther from their jobs and drive bigger cars with beds. Jackboots are going to have to think up new reasons for harassing people and performing armed highway robbery. They are not going to give up their revenue stream.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 1:14:16 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Olog-hai

Mr. Jones, TSA has selected a new destination for you. We'll be going to HHS Happy Joy Fun Resort 1215. Enjoy your stay.

17 posted on 03/11/2014 1:16:46 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: nascarnation

Do these driverless vehicles have the technology capaable of distinguishing various traffic situations and road signs? Wil they automatically connect with other like vehicles. Doubt it! This means there’s going to be a need for massive ammounts of expensive tech infrastructure everywhere. Who’s going to pay for it? Take the expense of a somewhat localized high speed rail project and multiply that by every city. So unless you ban all standard vehicles and force every person who drives to buy a new driverless car, it’s just not possible much less feasible not to mention just not as much fun.

It’s a pipedream much like the flying car!


18 posted on 03/11/2014 1:20:53 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: nascarnation

I don’t think anyone here is questioning driverless cars from a technical viewpoint. Predicting the advancement of technology is easy since it always does. What is different in this case are legal and government oversight issues. It’s easy to find the defendant in a legal case and determine blame if flattened into a pancake at Bingham Canyon. Not so much if vaporized by a car-drone on a public highway. The subject might make a good futuristic spy novel.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 1:25:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Since this plays right into goverment’s desire to control, I believe that will ride roughshod over the regulatory issues.


20 posted on 03/11/2014 1:33:09 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: diverteach
They will connect wirelessly with other vehicles to be aware of their actions. That technology is not complicated. The signs, roads, etc already exist in databases and only need to be slightly refined. Hazard signs would have wireless transmitters. As a last resort, the vehicles can have radar to stop themselves or turn when a hazard not “on the grid” appears.

The technology already exists and will be slowly introduced.

Initially they will probably designate a few lanes on highways for automated vehicles only. Eventually they will be mandatory...

21 posted on 03/11/2014 1:46:46 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: nascarnation
Now let's suppose said car-drone in the above vaporization scenario is a Hertz rental that was procurred with a stolen passport and credit card by iranian nationals. See how tossing in a few hypothetical but not implausible details causes the concerns to grow exponentially?
22 posted on 03/11/2014 1:50:35 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: diverteach

There’s nothing sinister in it, it’s just the normal evolution of technology. People have been trying to make self driving cars for decades. When the first self parking car hit we knew it was any day now. It’s surveillance or control, especially since NONE of the current example involve any kind of government action at all, it’s GPS driven no checking into some central anything.

But it’s going to be really really rough for the government to figure out. Do we need a drivers license to let the car drive? If not what’s the age limit? What about drunk riding?


23 posted on 03/11/2014 1:55:12 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: diverteach

Yes they can distinguish traffic situations and road signs (or at least will be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Grand_Challenge ). And they probably will communicate with each other, most cars are bluetooth capable already for your cellphone no reason they can’t talk to each other. And they’ll be doing that specifically to accomplish this DECADES any massive infrastructure can be put in place. The control system was the idea people had 10 to 20 years ago, but self parking cars proved that wasn’t necessary, we can make cars see and react to conditions all by themselves right now. Cars are coming out now that will self brake if they detect something in the way, even line you back up in your lane if you drift. We’re almost there, with no supervising network.


24 posted on 03/11/2014 2:02:21 PM PDT by discostu (Call it collect, call it direct, call it TODAY!)
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To: diverteach

“Do these driverless vehicles have the technology capaable of distinguishing various traffic situations and road signs?”

Yes.

“Wil they automatically connect with other like vehicles. Doubt it! This means there’s going to be a need for massive ammounts of expensive tech infrastructure everywhere.”

No it doesn’t. As the article points out, Google already has logged hundreds of thousands of miles of driverless driving on public streets.

“Take the expense of a somewhat localized high speed rail project and multiply that by every city. So unless you ban all standard vehicles and force every person who drives to buy a new driverless car, it’s just not possible much less feasible not to mention just not as much fun.”

No. The driverless cars work similarly to a human driver. They sense their surroundings, and make decisions. They make decisions several times a second, and can “see” in all directions at the same time. They have “senses” humans don’t, like laser radar. Further, they don’t get distracted, tired or drunk.

There won’t be much question what happened in the event of an accident, as the driverless car will contain a detailed record. They’ll be much better at avoiding errant human drivers than are humans.

There are concerns, like cost, how much redundancy the various systems will provide, and failure modes, but there’s little doubt the roads will get safer proportionally to the number of driverless cars out there.


25 posted on 03/11/2014 2:18:27 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

For examples, check out the following video links:

http://www.swri.org/Video/html/sumet-benning.htm

http://www.swri.org/Video/html/sumet.htm

http://www.swri.org/Video/html/vul-road-users.htm

Note that the last one shows the autonomous vehicles stopping for random pedestrians. I was surprised at how advanced the technology has become. For more information about the developments in San Antonio, check out: http://www.swri.org/4org/d10/isd/ivs/marti.htm .

MD


26 posted on 03/11/2014 3:09:18 PM PDT by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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To: Olog-hai

Shoot them on sight, spirits in vehicles, if the cops cannot intimidate or ticket they will be the ones keeping them off the road.

Troppers say NO to R2D2 behind the wheel.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 3:14:33 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: MikeD

Thanks for the videos, I hadn’t seen those. Low speed / offroad for the most part (military applications) but interesting.

One thing I didn’t mention in my earlier post is that the big win with autonomous cars is the free time. Instead of the essentially mindless task of driving, we’ll be able to read, work, and whatever else is a good use of time. :-)


28 posted on 03/11/2014 5:21:54 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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