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Kasich calls for income tax cut, hike on cigarette tax
Columbus Dispatch ^ | 3/11/14 | Joe Vardon. Jim Siegal

Posted on 03/11/2014 2:11:59 PM PDT by DallasBiff

The net for Ohioans is a $174 million tax cut over the next three years.

Kasich proposes funding an 8.5 percent income tax-cut for all tax brackets — a $2.2 billion reduction over the next three years — by raising the state’s tax on a pack of cigarettes 60 cents, from $1.25 to $1.85, while also taxing other tobacco products, including electronic cigarettes, at an equivalent rate. That would generate about $850 million during the next three years.

Kasich also wants to raise the Commercial Activity Tax on gross receipts for businesses from 0.26 percent to 0.3 percent, a roughly 15-percent increase providing $743 million in three years; and implement a gradual 2.75 percent tax on oil and gas extracted from horizontally drilled and fractured wells, generating $874 million in three years.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: energy; fracking; kasich; obama; rino; teaparty; tobacco
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John Kasich, another John McCain in the making.

Hey Kasich, didn't you learn from Poppy Bush, "Read my lips, no new taxes".

Poppy Bush lost his next election after that, by enacting new taxes.

1 posted on 03/11/2014 2:11:59 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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Dick.


2 posted on 03/11/2014 2:16:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: DallasBiff

He might want to pay attention to his neighbors here to the north.

If you increase the taxes on cigarettes, revenue plummets and smuggling skyrockets.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 2:19:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DallasBiff

So stupid. Other states that do this are losing money to the black market.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 2:22:15 PM PDT by albie
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To: albie

Kasich show’s his TRUE”RINO-COLORS”!Just can’t get enough TAXES?????????????????????????????????


5 posted on 03/11/2014 2:23:36 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: DallasBiff

Kasich, shut it. If you can only be half right, that is a score of 50%. 50% is a failing grade.


6 posted on 03/11/2014 2:24:33 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: DallasBiff

It would do the citizens of his state one better were he to call for the slashing of the state sales tax on cigarettes, if they are purchased in bulk.

That is, the more cigarettes you buy retail, the less tax there is on them. So if you buy 10 cartons, for example, you pay 50% less state tax. If you buy 100 cartons, you pay 70% less state tax. A lot more than a typical person would buy.

The idea would be that people would come from out of state to buy a huge amount of cigarettes to take home with them.

While the state would get less money on the top, they would more than make up for it with volume. And the retailers would make a ton of money, for which they would then pay state taxes.

All told, the state would likely make more money, its retailers would make more money, and there would be no significant increase in in-state smokers. What’s not to like?


7 posted on 03/11/2014 2:28:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: DallasBiff

well...since my wife and I work our a55es off and neither of us smoke, I’m not gonna cry about john Kasich putting more money in my pocket.


8 posted on 03/11/2014 2:58:31 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Gene Eric

Grow your own, roll your own.


9 posted on 03/11/2014 3:05:00 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: RC one

The $ is going in HIS pocket.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 3:15:40 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: cripplecreek
A 60 cent increase is about a 10-15% increase in cost per pack. Whether that is enough to overcome demand inelasticity is an empirical question.

In any case, such taxes are more in keeping with the design and spirit of the Constitution than income taxes ever were. The man has a state to run. He has to get money from somewhere.

11 posted on 03/11/2014 3:17:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: DallasBiff
Poppy Bush never had to balance a budget. All he proved is that talk is cheap.
12 posted on 03/11/2014 3:18:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
The man has a state to run. He has to get money from somewhere.

And when tobacco revenue dries up maybe he'll take it out of gas.
13 posted on 03/11/2014 3:24:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RC one
well...since my wife and I work our a55es off and neither of us smoke, I’m not gonna cry about john Kasich putting more money in my pocket.

Spoken like a true sheep. Not my problem if someone else takes it in the shorts ... as long as I get a bah-bah-ba- break.

You are the prefect citizen for the new fascist utopia. Kasich is a first class ahole and a gun grabber to boot.

14 posted on 03/11/2014 3:25:50 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: DallasBiff

I may be out of step on this but i don’ like “sin” taxes.

Yeah, tax cigarettes and then raise subsidies to tobacco farmers.

I don’t think there are enough smokers anymore to raise substantial amounts of money


15 posted on 03/11/2014 3:43:52 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: suijuris

Nah, I just truly hate cigarettes. That’s probably because they killed my mother. He could raise the price to $50 a pack and I wouldn’t cry about it. The fact that I’ll pay less taxes just makes it all the sweeter. I’m guessing you’re a cigarette smoker. You should quit if you are.


16 posted on 03/11/2014 3:48:14 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: cripplecreek

We’ll worry about that when the time comes. In the meantime, I’m perfectly happy about an income tax cut.


17 posted on 03/11/2014 3:50:07 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: suijuris

I don’t smoke either but I’m not a liberal piece of trash who looks the other way because it doesn’t impact me....today.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 4:01:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DallasBiff

Where’s the logic? Kasich wants to increase the cigarette tax when the big news is the heroin epidemic? The more expensive cigarettes are, the more appealing other, worse vices will be.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 4:14:39 PM PDT by grania
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To: RC one
Nah, I just truly hate cigarettes. That’s probably because they killed my mother. He could raise the price to $50 a pack and I wouldn’t cry about it. The fact that I’ll pay less taxes just makes it all the sweeter. I’m guessing you’re a cigarette smoker. You should quit if you are

Well you liberal hack I do not smoke, but I am not a fascist liberal smoke nazi like you----get a life!

20 posted on 03/11/2014 4:37:46 PM PDT by DallasBiff (Lautenberg The Forefather of "The Nanny State!")
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To: DallasBiff

Why raise any taxes? How does that not totally invalidate the idea of tax cuts?


21 posted on 03/11/2014 4:41:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

Some folks are for sale cheap I guess.


22 posted on 03/11/2014 4:44:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DallasBiff

fascist liberal smoke nazi? The constitution guarantees you a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Nowhere does it guarantee you the right to smoke tax free tobacco and the fact of the matter is, second hand smoke infringes on the rights of others who are forced to inhale it, like children who end up with chronic respiratory problems and unborn children that are born with countless birth defects as a result of momma’s nasty habit. I don’t care how you feel about it frankly. I love it. Go Kasich!


23 posted on 03/11/2014 4:49:38 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
fascist liberal smoke nazi? The constitution guarantees you a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Nowhere does it guarantee you the right to smoke tax free tobacco and the fact of the matter is, second hand smoke infringes on the rights of others who are forced to inhale it, like children who end up with chronic respiratory problems and unborn children that are born with countless birth defects as a result of momma’s nasty habit. I don’t care how you feel about it frankly. I love it. Go Kasich!

Thank you for your reply, Nancy Pelosi.

24 posted on 03/11/2014 4:54:14 PM PDT by DallasBiff (Lautenberg The Forefather of "The Nanny State!")
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To: RC one

First they came for my smokes but I didn’t care because I didn’t smoke.

Do you see were this is going?


25 posted on 03/11/2014 5:00:16 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: unixfox

Kasich is trying to eliminate the Ohio income tax. That is no simple task. In accomplishing this, he is going to have to make adjustments but, in the end, we end up with no state income tax and that will be excellent for Ohio so I am not going to bust his balls over this because, more than anything else, it’s good policy. I say this as someone who was born and raised in Ohio and who has paid countless thousands of dollars into Ohio income taxes, property taxes, AND sales taxes.


26 posted on 03/11/2014 5:07:50 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Fascinating how expressing your oppinion on a discussion thread makes people call you names.


27 posted on 03/11/2014 5:25:44 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

I know right? Nanci Pelosi no less. that’s low.


28 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:53 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

So you folks would be OK with it if he had increased the tax on guns instead?


29 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The man has a state to run. He has to get money from somewhere.

So raise it on a small minority of the population?

I have a better idea - raise the tax on bread, and all the ingredients needed to to make it an equivalent amount, thus equally taxing everyone.

30 posted on 03/11/2014 5:32:33 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: RC one

One day it will be something you do. What an ugly attitude you have.


31 posted on 03/11/2014 5:34:28 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
raise the tax on bread, and all the ingredients needed to to make it an equivalent amount, thus equally taxing everyone.

That's it...a carbohydrate tax (what's your carbo-footprint) If you want to decrease a behavior, tax it. So tax fat people...and smokers.

The non-smoking Atkins diet people get off Scott-free.

32 posted on 03/11/2014 5:36:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: RC one

My condolences on the loss of your mother - I seriously doubt she raised you to be such an ugly person.

I don’t live in Ohio, so this should make no nevermind to me - however the concept of applauding the targeting of one group of people through taxation to benefit an entirely different group of people just goes against my grain.


33 posted on 03/11/2014 5:39:14 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I don’t eat a lot of prepared food, lets jack up the cost of that and buy me off with a property tax cut. LOL


34 posted on 03/11/2014 5:40:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gabz

If you have a problem with eliminating the Ohio state income tax, it is you who needs an attitude adjustment, especially if you’re an Ohioan. As far as the cigarettes go, my attitude is right on the money. Second hand smoke makes children sick and harms fetuses and first hand smoke causes billions of dollars of health related expenses that tax payers and non-smokers get stuck paying for. So I’ll say it again, this is good policy all the way around.


35 posted on 03/11/2014 5:42:10 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Gabz

ugly person? FU.


36 posted on 03/11/2014 5:43:21 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yup, that’s good, but most things in boxes and bags contain lots of carbs anywhere.


37 posted on 03/11/2014 5:43:56 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Screw dat.

I want somebody else to pay for my property tax cut.


38 posted on 03/11/2014 5:46:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gabz; cripplecreek

I do live in Ohio and Kasich came to a financially bankrupt state that is now the 6th most solvent in the nation with a billion dollar rainy day fund.

He is better than any governor we’ve had that I remember, he doesn’t say a lot, he’s not a media hound. That’s good except we don’t know what he’s thinking.

He’s pro-second amendment.
He’s rape/incest/life of mother pro-life.
Based on this article he’s not opposed to taxes being raised.

So, he’s a mixed bag fiscal conservative, and probably a GOP-E.

He’s done well with Ohio’s economy. On most everything else he’s been fairly quiet.

Ohio has had some bad governors for a while. Even with his faults, Kasich is an improvement.


39 posted on 03/11/2014 5:55:12 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: RC one; DallasBiff
fascist liberal smoke nazi? The constitution guarantees you a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Nowhere does it guarantee you the right to smoke tax free tobacco and the fact of the matter is, second hand smoke infringes on the rights of others who are forced to inhale it, like children who end up with chronic respiratory problems and unborn children that are born with countless birth defects as a result of momma’s nasty habit. I don’t care how you feel about it frankly. I love it. Go Kasich!

The Constitution doesn't give you a "right" to your own "facts."

No one is "forced" to inhale SHE, nor does it cause the things you claim - while there is a possible slight increase in the risk of health problems of chronic and constant SHS exposure, there are no FACTS that it causes anything.

Pushing LSM and special interest talking points doesn't fly around here, and you should know that.

40 posted on 03/11/2014 5:57:48 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
The non-smoking Atkins diet people get off Scott-free.

LOL!!!!

They are probably a minority about the equivalent of the smokers ..............

41 posted on 03/11/2014 6:09:13 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: xzins

Its not magic. Raise taxes, lose revenue.


42 posted on 03/11/2014 6:09:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RC one

As I said, you have no right to your own “facts” and you really should look at the actual information behind the press release talking points you are spouting.


43 posted on 03/11/2014 6:15:24 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz
No one is "forced" to inhale SHE

except for the children and fetuses I just mentioned.

while there is a possible slight increase in the risk of health problems of chronic and constant SHS exposure, there are no FACTS that it causes anything.

From the CDC:

In children, secondhand smoke causes the following:1,3

Ear infections

More frequent and severe asthma attacks

Respiratory symptoms (e.g., coughing, sneezing, shortness of breath)

Respiratory infections (i.e., bronchitis, pneumonia)

A greater risk for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)

In U.S. children aged 18 months or younger, secondhand smoke exposure is responsible for:3

An estimated 150,000–300,000 new cases of bronchitis and pneumonia annually

Approximately 7,500–15,000 hospitalizations annually

Health Effects: Adults

In adults who have never smoked, secondhand smoke can cause cardiovascular disease and lung cancer.1,5

Tobacco Use and Pregnancy

Women who smoke during pregnancy are more likely than other women to have a miscarriage.

Smoking can cause problems with the placenta—the source of the baby's food and oxygen during pregnancy. For example, the placenta can separate from the womb too early, causing bleeding, which is dangerous to the mother and baby. Smoking during pregnancy can cause a baby to be born too early or to have low birth weight—making it more likely the baby will be sick and have to stay in the hospital longer. A few babies may even die

Smoking during and after pregnancy is a risk factor of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). SIDS is an infant death for which a cause of the death cannot be found. Babies born to women who smoke are more likely to have certain birth defects, like a cleft lip or cleft palate.

The Constitution doesn't give you a "right" to your own "facts."...Pushing LSM and special interest talking points doesn't fly around here

says the guy pushing tobacco industry talking points.

44 posted on 03/11/2014 6:25:54 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Rather amazing that an individual who signed up here in ‘05 could manage to miss the site’s underlying ethos so spectacularly.


45 posted on 03/11/2014 6:42:28 PM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: RC one
says the guy pushing tobacco industry talking points.

First, I'm not a guy, and second, I put as much trust in what comes out of the tobacco industry as I do the government, the pharmaceutical industry, and the body parts cartel, which means NONE. I've read all the research, something you obviously haven't.

"Can" and "may" have very different definitions than "do" and "will" when it comes to causation. And "estimated" is just the same - a guess.

Smoking during and after pregnancy is a risk factor of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). SIDS is an infant death for which a cause of the death cannot be found.

This alone proves you blindly accept anything "your" government tells you, considering for years most of the SIDS organization have disavowed this claim.

All of this you would have known had you been paying any attention to threads such as this over the years.

46 posted on 03/11/2014 6:44:16 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: tomkat

He’s eliminating the Ohio income tax. Pretty amazing that some folks, many of whom aren’t even from Ohio, are completely focused on cigarettes and not that.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 6:54:42 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

I have been an ER nurse for 10 years. I have seen many many first hand examples of just how benign first and second hand smoke is in adults and children. I’m done with this. I still support Kasich and I have zero regrets for having voted for him. Get rid of that gosh darned income tax one way or the other John.


48 posted on 03/11/2014 6:57:44 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
Eliminating it entirely might actually accomplish the goal.

However, I saw no mention of 'elimination' mentioned in the article:

Kasich proposes funding an 8.5 percent income tax-cut for all tax brackets .. *

Kasich also wants to raise the Commercial Activity Tax on gross receipts for businesses .. and implement a gradual 2.75 percent tax on oil and gas ..

Quite the contrary, by the sound of it.

* That 8.5% 'cut' for which you're apparently willing to throw principle to the wind will,
assuming the current median rate, net you a tax reduction of .00298%, or a whopping ~$297/yr on a $100,000 income.

49 posted on 03/11/2014 7:15:45 PM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: tomkat

He campaigned on “phasing out” the income tax. Phasing out implies a series of measures which gradually eliminates the income tax. And I haven’t thrown my principles to the wind, I have defended them. Are you even from Ohio btw?


50 posted on 03/11/2014 7:29:09 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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