Skip to comments.Ukraine appeals to West as Crimea turns to Russia
Posted on 03/11/2014 2:48:17 PM PDT by Mariner
SEVASTOPOL/KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's government appealed for Western help on Tuesday to stop Moscow annexing Crimea but the Black Sea peninsula, overrun by Russian troops, seemed fixed on a course that could formalize rule from Moscow within days.
With their own troops in Crimea effectively prisoners in their bases, the new authorities in Kiev painted a sorry picture of the military bequeathed them by the pro-Moscow president overthrown two weeks ago. They announced the raising of a new National Guard to be drawn from volunteers among veterans.
The prime minister, heading for talks at the White House and United Nations, told parliament in Kiev he wanted the United States and Britain, as guarantors of a 1994 treaty that saw Ukraine give up its Soviet nuclear weapons, to intervene both diplomatically and militarily to fend off Russian "aggression".
But despite NATO reconnaissance aircraft patrolling the Polish and Romanian borders and U.S. naval forces preparing for exercises in the Black Sea, Western powers have made clear that, as when ex-Soviet Georgia lost territory in fighting in 2008, they have no appetite for risking turning the worst East-West crisis since the Cold War into a military conflict with Moscow.
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No energy policy. Reduction of military readiness. Continued destruction of the currency and the nations' Capital Stock.
Now we're hearing a cry to intervene militarily, the siren song that a desperate and confused POTUS/EU is likely unable to resist.
Worst of all possible outcomes.
A military engagement with Russia in Crimea is certain recipe for disaster.
Hello, Obama? Crickets?
France and China also signed up. Their task forces aren’t coming through the Bosporus either.
The damage that honouring that treaty could do to the entire planet is also incalculable.
There was no such Treaty. I was never presented to the Senate, much less ratified. It was never even presented to the Russian Duma.
Ask the ghosts of the 600.
Anyone who gives up their nukes is an idiot.
If the Ukraine had nukes today, Russia wouldn’t have taken the Crimea.
Yes, we should stop Iran and nations like it from getting nukes, but I can certainly understand why they’d want to get their hands on one.
Ukraine aside... I believe it is a teaching moment to those in America who say they value multiculturalism as good in itself. NOT NECESSARILY !!
Note what is happening in Ukraine where one part of the “country” speaks Russian and consider themselves loyal to mother Russia instead of Ukraine.
LANGUAGE and VALUES are what unites a country. The moment you start splitting a country up into multiple groups who value their own language and values above the founding principles of this country, you have a formula for balkanization. It happened in the former Yugoslavia, is happening in Belgium and we are seeing it up close now in Ukraine ( with other places like Lithuania and Latvia, God forbid, soon to follow ).
That is why I am extremely troubled when I see Hispanics in Los Angeles watching a soccer game CHEERING for their “Home Team” Mexico and booing the US team. Some people say this is not a big deal.... I call it a portent of things to come.
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death,
Rode the six hundred.
Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns’ he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Russia didn’t even allow the fig leaf of electioneering in “eastern” (southern, ocean bordering) Ukraine, i.e. Crimea. The Bear took it a step further. Just stick in a different mayor and hey, let’s call that democratic.
I guess one has to admire the chutzpah and maybe it was manifest destiny for Crimea but what else will the Bear want to turn into a client regime now?
"Son...you're on your own."
I can’t disagree with you about that.
I doubt it, unless they had a way to prevent a Russian nuke counter attack.
I agree that it was idiotic to give them up and trust NATO to protect them.
I doubt NATO would protect it's own members, they're too busy recruiting faggots.
No fags in the Russian army.
They need to appeal to a higher authority
“The prime minister, heading for talks at the White House and United Nations, told parliament in Kiev he wanted the United States and Britain, as guarantors of a 1994 treaty that saw Ukraine give up its Soviet nuclear weapons, to intervene both diplomatically and militarily to fend off Russian “aggression”.”
Thanks, Clintoon. A gift that keeps on giving as if America is a chubby intern under his desk.
Party's over!..these guys want to go home now and let the rest of the world pick up their mess! Sounds like have no intentions of finishing what they started....they poked the Bear and now they want to claim Agreements bind us to them... they want us to put our military men on the line against Russia?.....I don't think so....
The last thing they want is to separate from the gravy train that is the rest of Canada. Quebec already has one of the most inhospitable business climates in the world. If it were an independent country it wouldn't have the rest of Canada to prop it up.
Is the puppet government in Kiev willing to resign and go back to the international agreement that was negotiated and signed on February 21st?
Then there is this they ‘all’ broke...
“The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances” 1994
......... a political agreement signed by Russia, America and United Kingdom one of the requirements was:
“Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.”
So now agreements are suppose to matter...they are all making rules as they go....period.
You’re absolutely right!
I don’t want one American serviceman’s life put at risk for one moment at the orders of Obastard. Not one more life.
One of the worst agreements ever signed.
3) Everything's clear. A guy on the radio told me.
It was given to them by a Premier.
It can be taken away by a Premier.
They rejected Russia.
“Sounds like have no intentions of finishing what they started....they poked the Bear and now they want to claim Agreements bind us to them... they want us to put our military men on the line against Russia?.....I don’t think so....”
As I wrote several days ago:
After the fall of Soviet Union, the US and NATO believed that they owned the world and acted accordingly, in a ruthless way, destabilizing the whole planet Earth.
And here they stumbled upon a tough bone they cant chew at - V.Putin. They cant make war to him - he has nukes. They cant use the gimmick called UN against him, he has veto power in the Security Council. They cant blackmail him, he keeps Europe by its energy needs balls and Boeing by its need of rare metals. They cant ruin him, Russias soil and reserves being filthy rich, with only 10% of this richness exploited (until the freezed permafrost will melt). Wait until Putin industrialises Siberia.
Besides , hes got on his side the rising economy stars India and China.
Those three can counterbalance NATO and US in the future. And the US cannot count on the EU, which reduced drastically the military budgets in the last 50 years and will go on the way of the other Union - the Soviets - by desintegrating. The national feelings in the European countries are back. People hate being bossed by the Brussels Comission, an unelected body. They want their countries back.
Yes, the Light Brigade met their fate in Crimea.
And we will eventually have to be ready to take up arms over it.
“Yes, the Light Brigade met their fate in Crimea.”
“When the last survivors had trailed in, the remnants of the Light Brigade re-formed on a slope looking southward over Balaclava. The charge had lasted twenty minutes from the moment the trumpet sounded the advance to the return of the last survivor. Lord Cardigan rode forward. ‘Men, it is a mad-brained trick, but it is no fault of mine’, he said in his loud, hoarse voice. A voice answered, ‘Never mind, my lord; we are ready to go again’, and the roll-call began, punctuated by the melancholy sound of pistol-shots as the farriers went round despatching ruined horses.
Some 700 horsemen had charged down the valley, and 195 had returned. The 17th Lancers was reduced to thirty-seven troopers, the 13th Light Dragoons could muster only two officers and eight mounted men; 500 horses had been killed...”
Backed by the best gunnery and infantry in the world.
They were a little light in numbers and only moderately supplied, but had seen unrivaled success worldwide and most were veterans of previous wars.
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro’ the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
Lord Tennyson - The charge of the Light Brigade
“And they were the finest cavalry, with the finest horses and weapons, in the world”
Battle which survived in history, notwithstanding the tragic defeat.
In poetry, movies, famous painting and the still fashionable Balaclava, the ski mask.
Also the first “ war live” reporting using the telegraph.
No. It wasn’t a treaty and it is not considered legally binding by anyone. It was characterized as at the time as a “memorandum.”
Even if we had a treaty that demanded we take military action here, no sane leader would do so.