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The guy who missed the Malaysia Airlines flight
The Times of Israel ^ | 3/11/2014 | URIEL HEILMAN

Posted on 03/11/2014 5:34:51 PM PDT by Former Fetus

The popular travel discount blog Dan’s Deals is circulating a story that a Jewish passenger who was supposed to be on the missing Malaysia Airlines plane was switched to an alternative flight because his Orthodox Jewish travel agent in Israel refused to book him on an itinerary that would have him traveling on Shabbat.

Under Orthodox Jewish law, facilitating someone else’s Sabbath desecration — boarding an airplane — is as forbidden as desecrating the Sabbath oneself.

Here’s the email exchange on January 13 and 14 between the passenger, identified as Andy, and the travel agent. The emails were posted online by Dan’s Deals with the identifying details removed.

Andy: One amendment, I need the KUL-PEK flight a day later. I need the extra day in Kuala. once that is set you can lock in.

Travel Agent: I wish I can give you a day later, but you know I just don’t like flying Jews on Shabbat. I can take that leg out if you want and you book yourself.

Andy decides to book the flight himself but later changes his mind:

Andy: I reconsidered, you are right I should be more observant, I’ll manage without that day in Kuala. Since I’ll have an extra night in PEK Any recommendations for a good Friday night dinner in Beijing?

Agent: Ok, glad to hear. Try this: http://www.chabadbeijing.com/

Then, on March 8, Andy writes:

Holy God,
You sure heard what happened to MH370
I cannot stop thinking about this.
This is a true miracle for the books. You are a true life saver…
I cannot think anymore! We’ll talk later this week. Don’t know how to thank you enough

When I tried to verify the authenticity of the story with Daniel Eleff of Dan’s Deals, he sent me this message:

“At this time the travel agent and the passenger are opting to remain anonymous. There has been a fair amount of negative feedback and they are choosing to wait until the fate of the flight in known to determine if they’ll go public.

“I have personally verified the story and can vouch for its authenticity. The emails I posted with time stamps are unaltered except to remove identifiable information.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; lostplane; malaysia; mh370; shabbat; waronterror
Apparently, the travel agent answered: "I am not the lifesaver. God and the Shabbat are. You owe them something."
1 posted on 03/11/2014 5:34:51 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

Wonderful!


2 posted on 03/11/2014 5:41:19 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Former Fetus
Under Orthodox Jewish law, facilitating someone else’s Sabbath desecration — boarding an airplane — is as forbidden as desecrating the Sabbath oneself.

I know the guy is lucky to be alive, but I have never seen anything in the Bible that says there is anything wrong with boarding an aircraft on the Sabbath.

3 posted on 03/11/2014 5:47:40 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Former Fetus

The rescheduled passenger in indeed a very lucky man. I’m not sure I would go so far as to call it a miracle that he is alive and 230 other people are [probably] dead.


4 posted on 03/11/2014 5:53:29 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: lonevoice

Exodus:

29 Bear in mind that the LORD has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where he is on the seventh day; no one is to go out.”

30 So the people rested on the seventh day.


5 posted on 03/11/2014 5:59:58 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Former Fetus

Jews knew!


6 posted on 03/11/2014 6:01:30 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Former Fetus
This guy is always going to remember the sabbath!

7 posted on 03/11/2014 6:09:37 PM PDT by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: Former Fetus

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath...


8 posted on 03/11/2014 6:20:51 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: sagar

I’ll bet they all stayed home from work that day!


9 posted on 03/11/2014 6:39:02 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: PlateOfShrimp

We all know that the real Sabbath is Sunday, so this guy must find another explanation.


10 posted on 03/11/2014 7:01:29 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Mark17

Me neither. All my overseas and international flights I book myself and never used a travel agent. Heck, I’ve never used a travel agent in years..


11 posted on 03/11/2014 7:16:46 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: sagar

The Sabbath for Jews is on Saturday. They are God’s chosen people and Christians have been adopted into the family of Christ by accepting Him (A Jew) as Savior.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 8:14:41 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Free, Black, Conservative and Proud)
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To: sagar

Sabbath has always been on the last day of the week labeled Saturday. Hasn’t changed in, oh, 3000 years. Even the Christian’s rabbi celebrated it on Saturday like a good, Torah-observant Jew. It never changed and will never change.


13 posted on 03/11/2014 8:23:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Former Fetus

Like the rabbis say...

If you keep the Sabbath, the Sabbath will keep you.


14 posted on 03/11/2014 8:24:10 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Mark17

The observant dont pick up telephones on Shabbat.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 9:41:32 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: sagar
The "real" Sabbath for NON-JEWS is Sunday. The Sabbath for Jews is Saturday. And always will be.

Please check your ethnocentricity at the door. It is not appreciated.

16 posted on 03/11/2014 10:07:06 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

That's the Biblical perspective, from Paul in Romans 14.

17 posted on 03/11/2014 10:16:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Fine. We don’t do the New Testament, so it’s nothing to me.


18 posted on 03/11/2014 10:22:51 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

I suspect you overlooked the meaning of that. There are Christians who observe Sabbath on Saturday. To the Lord they observe it, and give thanks, therefore it is acceptable. The same is true of observing Sunday. We as Christians are not to judge our brothers who observe differently, so long as they’re doing so unto the Lord. I realize you are Jewish and do not hold the New Testament to be scripture. However, you’ve been given a misleading impression of this Saturday-Sunday issue. Christians argue among themselves over it, but should not, according to Paul in Romans 14.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 10:31:17 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Rodamala
The observant dont pick up telephones on Shabbat.

They get that involved huh? Well, the collection agencies won't make much progress will they? The Bible does not mention airplanes or telephones. Maybe He expects us to use common sense and good judgement about exactly what we will do. Throughout my Air Force career and my career with the Cal Dept of Corrections, I worked Sunday's for decades. It just came with the territory.

20 posted on 03/11/2014 11:44:41 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Former Fetus
Look for the “blame the Jews” crowd to say its all a Jewish Conspiracy.
21 posted on 03/12/2014 3:47:09 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: All

I know a lot of people who had a very close one back in 1985.

A large group of 2nd year folks were at training for Price Waterhouse at Inverrary Conference Center in Florida, located near Ft Lauderdale.

On Aug 2, 1985, the last day of training, a bus picked up several dozen people from our Dallas, Ft Worth, and OK City offices to take them to the airport. The bus driver got his signals crossed and started taking them to the Miami airport.

The passengers finally caught on and made the bus driver turn around and take them to the Ft Lauderdale airport, but they arrived too late to catch their plane.

Many were still in the airport when the word came through about their missed Delta Air Lines Flight 191.

Two other PW colleagues, in FtL for other reasons, made decisions about that flight that day. One decided to fly back early and took the same flight on Thursday, so she lived. The other decided to take an earlier flight out of FtL and caught 191. I recognized his full(unusual) last name that he didn’t go by on the list of those killed and called the San Antonio office to let them know, since no one there knew he’d taken an earlier flight)


22 posted on 03/12/2014 7:42:21 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy
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