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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Confusion over plane last location
BBC News ^ | March 12, 2014

Posted on 03/12/2014 2:54:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Search teams are scouring waters off both sides of the Malaysian peninsula, amid confusion over a missing Malaysia Airlines plane's last known location.

Malaysia's air force chief has denied reports that the plane was tracked to the Malacca Strait in the west.

Vietnam has despatched a plane to investigate an eyewitness report of a possible object burning in the sky east of Vietnam. --SNIP--

On Wednesday, Malaysia's air force chief Rodzali Daud denied remarks attributed to him in local media that a missing Malaysia Airlines plane was tracked by military radar to the Malacca Strait, far west of its planned route.

Gen Daud said he "did not make any such statements", but the air force had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".

Meanwhile, Vietnam said it had deployed aircraft to investigate a possible sighting of the plane.

Doan Huu Gia, deputy general director of Vietnam's air traffic management, said: "We received an email from a New Zealander who works on one of the oil rigs off Vung Tau.

"He said he spotted a burning [object] at that location, some 300 km (200 miles) southeast of Vung Tau."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 777; china; iran; malaysia; mh370; oilrig; oilrigworker; southchinasea; vietnam; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/12/2014 2:54:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This information further increases my suspicion that something happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.


2 posted on 03/12/2014 3:13:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz
Excellent deduction. Oh how inspire to become of such great mind.

Actually that was pretty funny.

3 posted on 03/12/2014 3:16:24 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Lazamataz

“This information further increases my suspicion that something happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.”
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I think you’re right...there’s something out of the ordinary here.


4 posted on 03/12/2014 3:21:48 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, might as well give my guess. I’m guessing that this plane is sitting intact and hidden on some remote airstrip. There were lots of military strips laid down during WWII in this part of the world. Why would terrors do this? Well, perhaps they have a grand plan for this plane. Who knows, fly it into some tall skyscraper, a sporting event, maybe deliver a bomb or chemicals. Anyway, I think those two Iranians along with the manifest list should be checked out for previous pilot or technical aircraft training. Somebody, either a passenger or one of the pilots shut off the transponders and other electrical signal emitting systems on that plane so that it became invisible. In my humble opinion there were no technical or mechanical malfunctions on that plane.....


5 posted on 03/12/2014 3:24:08 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: saywhatagain

“Actually that was pretty funny. “
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No, it is NOT funny. That being said, there still remains a remote possibility that the plane was hi-jacked and crashed, or even landed somewhere. The clue is that radar indicated a U-turn before loosing contact. Subsequent loss of contact would be a result of not just crashing, but the plane descending below radar coverage.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 3:34:43 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: Lazamataz

If nothing happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 it would have landed in Beijing by now. So something probably happened.


7 posted on 03/12/2014 3:49:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: snoringbear
"one of the pilots shut off the transponders and other electrical signal emitting systems on that plane so that it became invisible. My thoughts, but not for the reason most here believe.

My theory is . . . The navigational box (FMC) was inputted wrong. Wrong waypoint. No one double checked as per procedure and they went there merry way. Got to top of climb, asked for dinner, bullshitting with flight attendants. Not paying attention. Captain closes his eyes to rest. Plane turn to wrong inputted waypoint. At night, no one really feels it or checks it. After period of time they realise they are not where they are suppose to be.

Pilots turn OFF transponder in a effort to cover up their mistake. Yeah, I know its stupid on their part, but actually its more common practice than anyone here realises

Culturally, they will not ask for help, nor admit they made a mistake to anyone outside the cockpit. They now are in a panic for many reasons. Mostly their job and career. Fully desperate, they may even go low below the radar so to speak, so as not be seen until they figure things out

After that anyones guess. Do they panic more? The autopilot has become disengaged without anyone realising it? That could occur if pilots are frantically inputting and pressing engage, or moving the control in a upset/panic mode to get plane turn in the right direction. Happens many times. Yes their is a warning horn for when it becomes disengaged, but in this scenario both heads are down "in the box" as we call it or mostly focused on other tasks at hand. No one is paying attention nor flying the plane. No delegation of duties. They desperately trying to figure where they are at and how to get back to where they are suppose to be.

In a slow descent, no one paying attention, or plane rolls inverted and now they are completely and hopelessly situationally lost.

For you non believers and conspiracy buffs, I just described numerous crashes that have taken place before. However, most are found on land.

Fire away flamers

8 posted on 03/12/2014 3:52:25 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It's possible that the plane changed course and its transponder was turned off, two things which couldn't possibly happen on their own at the same time. There is no sign of a crash....a third improbability.

After all of this time of shedding more common explanations, speculating about "conspiracy" possibilities makes sense. The less likely has become even more possible.

Is it terrorism if we don't know what happened? I would submit "yes". We've come to expect violence and terrorist attacks and factor them into our everyday lives. But the unknown? That's still unsettling.

9 posted on 03/12/2014 3:53:49 AM PDT by grania
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To: Lazamataz

Very droll.


10 posted on 03/12/2014 3:53:57 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: saywhatagain
plane rolls inverted

I remember one of the self-overrated Kennedies flying upside down in the haze before diving into the ocean, but can that happen in a jumbo? Isn't there some sort of automatic thing to prevent that?

11 posted on 03/12/2014 3:58:40 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: AlexW

Last Updated Mar 12, 2014 2:43 AM EDT

The mystery over the fate of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 became even more convoluted Wednesday when Malaysia’s air force chief denied earlier remarks that the missing plane had reversed direction and reached the Strait of Malacca before vanishing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/confusion-grows-over-missing-malaysian-airlines-plane/


12 posted on 03/12/2014 4:12:40 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: palmer
i agree several circumstances or events would have to take place, but yes it could happen. More likely what we call "unusual attitude", nose down 60 degree bank or any other combination. ,

After the Air France crash, pilots are now being trained to recover.

But if these sherlocks are situationally lost, its mostly panic in the cockpit

13 posted on 03/12/2014 4:13:30 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If nothing happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 it would have landed in Beijing by now. So something probably happened.

Yes, I agree -- and I have citations to back my view.

14 posted on 03/12/2014 4:16:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: AlexW
My apologies. My funny comment was directed to Lazamataz sarcastic comment. NOT re the crash. Yes, it is we take the matter very seriously.
15 posted on 03/12/2014 4:18:25 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

Wow! A logical, rational, calm analysis of what might have happened to this plane without involving Chinese, Malaysian, Russian, Ukrainian or Obama secret missiles, suicide bombers who book onward flights to Germany to meet their mothers, isolated airstrips, hidden caves, anthrax bombs, or alien abduction.

How very boring, I was really enjoying discovering just how many utter headbangers actually hung around this website and now you’ve ruined it all with your completely sensible post


16 posted on 03/12/2014 4:21:16 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: saywhatagain
I wish to extend and expand my comments.

It is my thesis that something BAD happened to Malaysian Flight 370.

There. I said it.

17 posted on 03/12/2014 4:21:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz; Oldeconomybuyer

How do we know they aren’t still in a holding pattern? Has anyone checked with Beijing air traffic control?


18 posted on 03/12/2014 4:23:50 AM PDT by palmer (There's someone in my lead but it's not me)
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To: palmer
How do we know they aren’t still in a holding pattern? Has anyone checked with Beijing air traffic control?


19 posted on 03/12/2014 4:24:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Freescale acquired for US$18 billion

Freescale Semiconductor was recently acquired by a private equity consortium made up of the Blackstone Group, The Carlyle Group, Permira Funds, and Texas Pacific Group.


Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) has confirmed that 20 of its employees were confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Twelve are from Malaysia and eight are from China. The entire Freescale Semiconductor community is deeply saddened by this news. The company is continuing to monitor the situation and will provide more information as it becomes available.


The biggest private investor in the world, deeply entrenched in the weapons’ sector, is a discreet group that cultivates dealings with influential men, including Bush father and son.

One year ago, May 1, 2003, George Bush, strapped up in a fighter pilot’s suit, landed on the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Abraham-Lincoln along the coast of California. The image became famous. Under a banner proclaiming “Mission Accomplished”, the president prematurely announced the end of military operations in Iraq and his victory. Back on dry land the next day, he made another martial speech, not far from San Diego, in a United Defense Industries’ weapons factory.

This company is one of the Pentagon’s main suppliers. It manufactures, among other things, missiles, transport vehicles, and the light Bradley armored vehicle. Its main shareholder is the biggest private investor in the world, a discreet group, called Carlyle.

It’s not listed on the stock market and doesn’t have to show its accounts to any but its 550 investors- billionaires or pension funds. Carlyle manages eighteen billion dollars today, invested in defense and high tech (notably biotech), space, security-linked information technology, nanotechnologies, and telecommunications. The companies it controls share the characteristic that their main customers are governments and administrations. As the company wrote in its brochure: “We invest in the opportunities created in industries strongly affected by changes in government policy.”

Carlyle is a unique model, assembled at the planetary level on the capitalism of relationships or “capitalism of access” to use the 1993 expression of the American magazine New Republic. Today, in spite of its denials, the group incarnates the “military-industrial complex” against which Republican President Dwight Eisenhower warned the American people when he left office in 1961.

That didn’t prevent George Bush senior from occupying a position as consultant to Carlyle for the ten years ending October 2003. It was the first time in United States’ history that a former president worked for a Pentagon supplier. His son, George W. Bush, also knows Carlyle well. The group found him a job in February 1990, while his father occupied the White House: administrator for Caterair, a Texas company specialized in aerial catering. The episode does not figure in the president’s official biography. When George W. Bush left Caterair in 1994, before becoming Governor of Texas, the company was in bad shape.

“It’s not possible to get closer to the administration than Carlyle is,” asserts Charles Lewis, Director of the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan organization in Washington. “George Bush senior earned money from private interests that worked for the government of which his son was president. You could even say that the president could one day profit financially, through his father’s investments, from the political decisions he himself took,” he adds.

The collection of influential characters who now work, have worked, or have invested in the group would make the most convinced conspiracy theorists incredulous. They include among others, John Major, former British Prime Minister; Fidel Ramos, former Philippines President; Park Tae Joon, former South Korean Prime Minister; Saudi Prince Al-Walid; Colin Powell, the present Secretary of State; James Baker III, former Secretary of State; Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary; Richard Darman, former White House Budget Director; the billionaire George Soros, and even some bin Laden family members. You can add Alice Albright, daughter of Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State; Arthur Lewitt, former SEC head; William Kennard, former head of the FCC, to this list. Finally, add in the Europeans: Karl Otto Poehl, former Bundesbank president; the now-deceased Henri Martre, who was president of Aerospatiale; and Etienne Davignon, former president of the Belgian Generale Holding Company.

http://www.culturechange.org/CarlyleEmpire.html


20 posted on 03/12/2014 4:25:23 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If the plane had its own Facebook page we’d know exactly where it is and what its been eating.


21 posted on 03/12/2014 4:32:34 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: AlexW
And yes, there is very much a possibility that the airplane was hijacked. Anything is possible with the "known" facts.

But the past few days, sitting here and being amused, oh i am sorry, absorbing many of the inane comments, i thought i would share some thoughts on a practical level the general public is rightfully and understandably not aware of.

40 years in any industry, you really do get to see alot of bad things. They do not happen regularly, but they do occur.. Repeatedly

22 posted on 03/12/2014 4:32:34 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain
My BURMA SHAVE posts are particularly inane.

I'm rather proud of them.

23 posted on 03/12/2014 4:34:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: saywhatagain

If you lost

Your airliner

It might be

In southern China

BURMA SHAVE


Somewhere there’s

A missing plane

And the searching

Was all in vain

That’s because

It’s now a missile

With a payload

That’s plenty fissile

BURMA SHAVE


If your plane

Just went away

And you searched

Both night and day

On Islam

Your hopes will pin

More specific:

The Iranians

BURMA SHAVE


24 posted on 03/12/2014 4:36:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: saywhatagain

“My apologies. My funny comment was directed to Lazamataz sarcastic comment. NOT re the crash.”
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No apology needed. We all make post that get taken out of context. I am a frequent victim of it, myself.


25 posted on 03/12/2014 4:36:35 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Thank you. There are many other professionals on this site who could expand those thoughts based upon their own experience. Most choose to be quiet, listen and learn.

We know the true facts will not not be known for a very long time.

No cover up. Just the way the system works. Takes alot effort, time, resources to learn the truth in these matters

26 posted on 03/12/2014 4:37:32 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Lazamataz

A test nuke attack by Iran hmm.

That’d have a radioactive signature.


27 posted on 03/12/2014 4:40:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My non-conspiracy theory is that of a similar fate to golfer Payne Stewart’s private jet crash in 1999. They lost cabin pressure and all passed out, but the plane flew for 1500 more miles before crashing in North Dakota.

It was not known why they lost pressure, but it was surmised it was so fast they did not have time to put on 02 masks.

So maybe a small meteor or some space object hit the plane and it was suddenly depressurized but kept flying itself, out of radar range, somewhere in the Pacific, until crashing.


28 posted on 03/12/2014 5:11:06 AM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Lazamataz
Yes, I agree -- and I have citations to back my view.

By that I assume you'd hit the two Australian blondes who previously hitched a ride with the MH370 pilots.

29 posted on 03/12/2014 5:13:53 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

So it’s possible it is one of the loosely affiliated CIA companies.


30 posted on 03/12/2014 5:15:01 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: palmer

didn’t the Air Alaska jet that crashed about ten years ago invert due to a bolt/jackscrew malfunction??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261


31 posted on 03/12/2014 5:15:04 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You know my game, a little too well, I fear.


32 posted on 03/12/2014 5:15:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Rennes Templar

Or, everyone could have been suddenly “Gassed” or “asphyxiated” and the plane kept flying.


33 posted on 03/12/2014 5:17:25 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: RummyChick

I guess anything is possible. Will we ever really know what happened?


34 posted on 03/12/2014 5:19:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: InvisibleChurch
If the plane had its own Facebook page we’d know exactly where it is and what its been eating.

And NSA/IRS/ACORN would know exactly where MH370 is if there were any Tea Party conservatives on-board.

35 posted on 03/12/2014 5:21:48 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Lazamataz
Wow, Thank you for the clarification. You see again, i was under the mistaken thought that nothing good had happened. But with your input, i see a different point of view.

By the way, i never find your comments inane. Entertaining, thoughtful and ok entertaining. :-)

36 posted on 03/12/2014 5:23:50 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: saywhatagain

Just as likely Egypt Air 990.


37 posted on 03/12/2014 5:26:40 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Maybe the Burmuda Triangle has changed locations, ever consider that?


38 posted on 03/12/2014 5:28:11 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Can I be the first to blame the Jews?


39 posted on 03/12/2014 5:29:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: saywhatagain
You see again, i was under the mistaken thought that nothing good had happened.

I think you are thinking of the truism that "no good deed goes unpunished".

Since the Malaysian Airlines MH370 cannot be defined in any way as a 'good deed', no punishment need be meted out.

40 posted on 03/12/2014 5:30:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: AppyPappy

I blame Illinois Nazis.


41 posted on 03/12/2014 5:30:57 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: AppyPappy

Where is that “I’m not saying it was aliens” guy?


42 posted on 03/12/2014 5:33:07 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lazamataz

Amish.


43 posted on 03/12/2014 5:33:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My poorly made point is that there’s so much information pouring out from smart phones and laptops and other electronics. What happened to the plane was quick and catastrophic, no time for anyone to send out a message or use the satellite phones on board (I figure there must be satphones on board). Hijacking? No. Not a takeover-and-fly-around-for-awhile-looking-for-a-place-to-land type of hijack. People fight back since 9-11. Explosion? Very possible. Mechanical? Most likely. Something unassuming that caused a change of direction but no alarm for passengers to start sending emails, calls, tweets, etc.


44 posted on 03/12/2014 5:34:17 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: central_va

Have M get in touch with Commander Bond


45 posted on 03/12/2014 5:38:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: InvisibleChurch

I threw out the “suddenly Gassed” theory above.

Thoughts??


46 posted on 03/12/2014 5:39:54 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: KSCITYBOY
Absolutely. With the known facts (relatively very little) anything is possible

Or as Donald Rumsfield fond of saying, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Or my own preference when i teach, We do not know what we do not know!"

47 posted on 03/12/2014 5:46:05 AM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: InvisibleChurch

I think MH370 landed safely somewhere.


48 posted on 03/12/2014 5:50:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Like Payne Stewart or the Nelson DeMille book (title forgotten but very good book) ? It’s possible but that would require, I think, a great deal of planning. It’s an awful big plane to ‘gas’, I think. Decompression with ‘jackers having their own air supply? More likely, just figure out a way to do it quickly. There’s so much I don’t know about this topic. If your theory is right then something else went wrong. After all, why go through all that trouble just to end up in the drink?


49 posted on 03/12/2014 5:51:10 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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To: saywhatagain

“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.”


50 posted on 03/12/2014 5:52:31 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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