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Michael Reagan: Rand Paul “gets” my dad
Rare ^ | 03-11-2014 | Matt Naham

Posted on 03/12/2014 11:03:28 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016

In the midst of the war of words between Senators Rand Paul (R-Ky) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) over who best represents Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy, the late president’s son Michael Reagan has weighed in on Twitter.

“Rand Paul Gets it” Reagan wrote Tuesday, Tweeting the link to Paul’s Breitbart op-ed, “Exclusive–Rand Paul: Stop Warping Reagan’s Foreign Policy.”

Reagan is an author, talk host and adopted son of our 40th president.

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I hate the way in which the media keeps framing this as some kind of 'war'.
1 posted on 03/12/2014 11:03:28 AM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

What do you expect. Its the media. They want to destroy conservatives leading up to 2016, knowing they’re about to get shellacked again this year


2 posted on 03/12/2014 11:04:44 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon

When Michael Reagan first saw Sara Palin speak at the PUBBIES
convention his exact quote was “ she is RONALD REAGAN in a skirt” now
that I could agree with I will NEVER forget the first time seeing her I had
goose bumps! I STILL can not believe how this GOOD woman has been
TRASHED by the MSM and DEMS!!!


3 posted on 03/12/2014 11:19:36 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: PaulCruz2016
Not that Michael actually knew much about his dad.

But he does have the name, so this lifts Paul a notch.

I'm still struggling with Cruz's "Defend our values" nonsense.

4 posted on 03/12/2014 11:21:19 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Yep. Conservative pundits need to stop feeding the frenzy.


5 posted on 03/12/2014 11:21:30 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: PaulCruz2016

Hey MIKE!!

Your Dad was NOT a libertarian!!!!!!

Do you “get” that?!?!


6 posted on 03/12/2014 11:23:54 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Mariner

What part of “Defend our values”, do you not understand?

Either you stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything.

Pro-Life
Pro-2A
Anti-Amnesty
Pro Constitution
Pro Capitalism


7 posted on 03/12/2014 11:26:15 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Michael Reagan has always done this, everybody gets the column from him that they want.

He even had a Romney article that the romneybots like.

Paul was wrong about Reagan, Reagan was incredibly aggressive, all over the world, things were really high speed under President Reagan and the build up was massive, from weapons systems in Europe and hundreds of thousands of us stationed there, to invasion, to global mercenary operations.

Reagan squeezed the Communists like no one we have ever seen.


8 posted on 03/12/2014 11:29:38 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mariner
I'm still struggling with Cruz's "Defend our values" nonsense.

Are you going to explain that childish crack, or are you one of these drive by trolls?

9 posted on 03/12/2014 11:32:01 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I like Michael Reagan and Rand Paul, but I believe Cruz would better because of Paul’s views on foreign policy, illegals and drugs.


10 posted on 03/12/2014 11:39:00 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Kit cat

I LOVE Sarah Palin. If she ran, I would support her above anyone else, but don’t believe she is running.


11 posted on 03/12/2014 11:40:32 AM PDT by ZULU (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: G Larry
"What part of “Defend our values”, do you not understand?"

What part of Egypt do you not understand? Libya anyone?

The role of the US Government is to defend our INTEREST and promote our values.

Kosovo anyone?

We could even discuss Afghanistan in this context.

Bush had that "war" won in the first 90 days. Taliban disposed. Major training camps destroyed.

Yet we're there over a dozen years later "promoting democracy".

How would "our values" dictate our response to the Syrian civil war?

Should we have troops and material in the Central African Republic? Wouldn't that be a good place to defend our values?

12 posted on 03/12/2014 11:53:27 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ansel12; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
"Are you going to explain that childish crack, or are you one of these drive by trolls?"

Free Republic was founded with honest discussion of ideas and events. Historically, personal attacks are not tolerated.

13 posted on 03/12/2014 11:55:56 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PaulCruz2016

“Let’s you and him fight”: the ol’ reliable meme.


14 posted on 03/12/2014 11:58:50 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Mariner

But you aren’t struggling with Paul’s ‘politicians can’t comment on foreign policy if they haven’t served’ liberal nonsense?


15 posted on 03/12/2014 12:01:18 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: Vanbasten
"But you aren’t struggling with Paul’s ‘politicians can’t comment on foreign policy if they haven’t served’ liberal nonsense?"

While I haven't heard this comment from Paul, I have to say I think he's fatally flawed as a GOP candidate for several reasons, most notably his support for "permanent residency" for illegals.

I think the rest of us call that amnesty.

16 posted on 03/12/2014 12:06:33 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I'm still struggling with Cruz's "Defend our values" nonsense.

So you aren't going to explain that childish crack, and are confirming you are a drive by troll?

17 posted on 03/12/2014 12:15:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mariner

I paraphrased. Below is what he actually said.

“What we don’t need right now is politicians who have never seen war talking tough for the sake of their political careers.”

First off, although he doesn’t name Cruz, we all know who he was talking about. Secondly, I didn’t take what Cruz said as ‘talking tough’. Finally, the ‘if you’ve never seen war, you can’t talk’ meme is a liberal, hollow tactic. And that’s where I think Paul fails. When push comes to shove, like his father, he will say liberal things like that, essentially using the left’s own retarded diction.

Another thing, there is nothing wrong with being a libertarian. I’m fairly libertarian myself. Don’t hide from it, don’t run from it, don’t try to outconservative someone. Just be honest. Tough thing to ask of a politician, but it works.


18 posted on 03/12/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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To: Mariner

Here’s a hint:

The U.S. is capable of exercising it’s foreign policy initiatives with having troops on the ground.

First, the administration has to have a coherrant foreign policy.

That typically doesn’t include using the Muslim Brotherhood as an ally.

American “interests” are NOT best protected by sticking our head in the sand, waiting for problems to land on our shores.


19 posted on 03/12/2014 12:17:28 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: ansel12; Vanbasten; G Larry; Mariner

Just propaganda. All the way. Here’s the context, which, BTW, elegantly portrays Cruz’ position in this ‘war of words’ into which Mr. Reagan has, it will turn out, unwisely, decided to foray:

From WABC News (NYC) three days ago, Quote from Ted Cruz:

“I’m a big fan of Rand Paul. He and I are good friends. But I don’t agree with him on foreign policy,” Cruz said. “I think U.S. leadership is critical in the world. And I agree with him that we should be very reluctant to deploy military force abroad. But I think there is a vital role, just as Ronald Reagan did… The United States has a responsibility to defend our values.”


20 posted on 03/12/2014 12:22:33 PM PDT by stanne
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To: G Larry
"American “interests” are NOT best protected by sticking our head in the sand, waiting for problems to land on our shores."

I agree wholeheartedly.

Since the invasion of Georgia in the last 3 months of the Bush presidency there are several things we could have and should have done:

Energy independence should be our principal strategic goal. Surplus even. We need to be able to supply our allies at crunch time.

Increased military procurement. We have less than 300 warships (thankfully many are nearly new), WORN OUT aircraft and ground equipment.

Sane fiscal discipline. It takes money to be a credible deterrent to those who lust after territory and people.

Get the hell out of Afghanistan. Give it to anybody who wants it as long as it doesn't host terror camps.

We should have STAYED in Iraq. Our INTERESTS there are to ensure the free flow of oil onto the world market and to ensure it doesn't become a client state to Iran.

Squeeze Iran, not lift sanctions. Follow with air strikes against both the civilian and military leadership. If necessary, roll the tanks. Iran cannot, must not become a nuclear armed state.

Sell our allies any weapon they want to buy and give them surplus from our replenishment procurement.

21 posted on 03/12/2014 12:31:02 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: stanne

Yeah, Michael stepped in it, but he kind of makes his living having to fight for attention, doesn’t he?

I know that many years ago he was a local talk show host, and I quit listening when it became obvious that he just talks and plays a role, he isn’t particularly conservative although that is where he chose to operate from, and most importantly, he isn’t honest, he will massage truth to make points, or out of mere indifference.

Michael Reagan isn’t a guy that you want to quote, without double checking the information.


22 posted on 03/12/2014 12:32:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I would hope both would agree having someone in the White House promising more “flexibility” to the Soviets, I mean Russians, certainly does not deter aggression. If you are a dictator hoping to invade your neighbor, or a revolutionary wanting regime change, now is a pretty good time to make your move - our leader may even help you.

If I had to choose between Cruz and Paul, I would prefer Ted Cruz. I simply trust him more not to compromise from his core values, and make the right decision in an emergency.

Having said that, I would clearly prefer Paul over the majority of Senators and Representatives in DC, including the other Senator from Texas. A chicken fried steak would have done a better job than him.


23 posted on 03/12/2014 12:34:18 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Mariner

In other words, do exactly the opposite of what Obama has done.


24 posted on 03/12/2014 12:34:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Perfect!


25 posted on 03/12/2014 12:35:48 PM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: ansel12

You’re right. my guess is the RNC will drag out anyone looking for attention and also unwise enough not to realize what’s about to go on, here, to jump in and trash Cruz, who, way above Reidbamalosi, is their biggest nightmare, and out of nowhere like a fast horse (a white one).

Oh. Pretty sure Cruz was the one being quoted. Out of context.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 12:36:39 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Mariner

What is the contrast between Paul’s projection and defense of American values and “Cruz’s “Defend our values” nonsense”?


27 posted on 03/12/2014 12:36:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: stanne

Exactly, there was nothing wrong with what Cruz said. There is a distinction between their 2 positions, and IMHO Cruz was accurate.

This does seem like propaganda, and Paul foolishly has been lead by the nose.


28 posted on 03/12/2014 12:38:57 PM PDT by Vanbasten
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"What is the contrast between Paul’s projection and defense of American values and “Cruz’s “Defend our values” nonsense”?"

At this point I'm not sure and I want to know more from both.

But when I hear "defend our values" it reminds me of the actions of Democrats in the foreign arena...Kosovo...Egypt...Libya...Syria.

Maybe that's not what Cruz meant. I hope it was not as he seems to be the best we have right now, articulate, centered on principal. Right on every issue he cares to elaborate on.

I just want him to elaborate on this one.

29 posted on 03/12/2014 12:42:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Pshaw! No sale:

Cruz said. “I think U.S. leadership is critical in the world. And I agree with him that we should be very reluctant to deploy military force abroad. But I think there is a vital role, just as Ronald Reagan did… The United States has a responsibility to defend our values.”


30 posted on 03/12/2014 12:46:46 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Mariner

The obvious answer is in your post 21. OUR values are being attacked with this administration.


31 posted on 03/12/2014 12:47:59 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Mariner

Sorry, I meant post 24.


32 posted on 03/12/2014 12:51:11 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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"The United States has a responsibility to defend our values"

I just want to know what that means to Ted Cruz.

I've already eliminated Paul from my potential primary choices (though I would vote for him over ANY Democrat). Therefore I'm far less interested in what Paul says than what Cruz says.

I don't want us to be killing, dying and spending to bring democracy to a bunch of goat herders who don't like us anyway...or worse, destroying good allies like what we once had in Egypt.

33 posted on 03/12/2014 12:52:17 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Paul or Cruz, or any combination of both. That’s a strong ticket.


34 posted on 03/12/2014 12:56:19 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ansel12

The kindest thing you can say about Michael is the he is not Ronnie.


35 posted on 03/12/2014 1:01:09 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Mariner
we did not defend our values in Kosovo, we made war against our WW II allies having bought into the propaganda generated by the Muslims.

We have not made war since Harry dropped the Big One, we have only engaged in police actions where the enemy always has a King's X line to hide behind.

Wars can only truly end with unconditional surrender by one side or the other.

36 posted on 03/12/2014 1:09:26 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Mariner
At this point I'm not sure and I want to know more from both.

Except that you jumped on the thread to post a conclusion on Ted Cruz, that his wanting to defend our values is "nonsense" or else that our values are "Nonsense", or both.

37 posted on 03/12/2014 1:12:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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or worse, destroying good allies like what we once had in Egypt.

That would be the Democrats that did that, not Cruz. Same for Iran, good old Jimmuh.

38 posted on 03/12/2014 1:13:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Michael Reagan does best when he keeps his mouth shut closed.

On most issues related to foreign policy, Rand Paul is like his father, dangerous and naive.


39 posted on 03/12/2014 1:16:28 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: itsahoot

It isn’t that he is evil or a liberal or anything, but without the name, he would not have a career in radio, he would not be a successful pundit, and his views would not be seen as original, meaningful, or of interest.

He is just a guy who is in a field that he doesn’t belong in, living a life that doesn’t fit him, because of his family connection to a great man.


40 posted on 03/12/2014 1:19:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: itsahoot
"That would be the Democrats that did that, not Cruz"

Same goes for Kosovo.

Still, they did so under the pretension that they were defending our values.

I'd like to see these talk a lot more about defending our hard, critical INTERESTS.

If they are going to speak of defending our values then they need to say what those values are, how they would defend them and how that relates to our interests.

For instance, one could easily make the case that defending our values of open and free elections and constitutional democracy would dictate that we were right to depose Mubarak in Egypt. He was a dictator that did not tolerate dissent.

But it was in our best INTERESTS to support him. Same with the Serbs.

I want to know how the GOP primary candidates see that mix. For some reason none want to get specific on this life, and death matter.

It's up to all of us as the primaries approach, or the pre-primaries we're in now, to insist they address the mix.

At least in the abstract.

41 posted on 03/12/2014 1:25:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I posted it twice.

You’re not selling your deal here. Continuing your original out of context post is quite reminiscent of taking care of four year olds who want to manipulate attention over some unrelated cause. And it truly annoys people who can see it for what it is

And it is a continued ad hominem attack against Ted Cruz

I speak for many when I say that those who, like Michael Reagan, Rand Paul and others who attack Cruz and steadfastly quote him out of context with some vague chicken hearted attempt to demoralize his supporters will only succeed in placing themselves into a permanent category of paid political hacks with no wisdom and foresight and out of his camp forever as untrustworthy followers or worse enemies and detractors

There is no true reason to detract from Cruz. Anyone who tries ends up stepping in it terribly before quitting


42 posted on 03/12/2014 1:29:37 PM PDT by stanne
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I also don’t understand

I’m still struggling with Cruz’s “Defend our values” nonsense.

Gope, is for big amnesty not the 1.5 million small amnesty Reagan got hoodwinked into by the lying Democrats.

Gope candidates like Christie are against 2nd amendment and for abortions. Christie’s state has the highest property tax and high state taxes.

Actually Reagan didn’t get us involved in big wars, and he won the cold war, thru strength and letting people know we would not be pushed around.

Paul endorsed McConnell who wants to bury the Tea Party.
Paul was backed by the Tea Party, Nice payback for their endorsement Rand.

Also, Rand is for gradual amnesty and make no mistake about it.

Cruz is direct, isn’t backing GOPe weaklings like McConnell.

I like Ted


43 posted on 03/12/2014 1:34:51 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: stanne
It's a bit early to be drinking the kool-aide isn't it?

Your accusation of me undertaking an ad hominem attack on Cruz is hyperbolic, at best.

I like Ted Cruz and believe him to be the best of the potential candidates for 2016, but unlike you I am not blind to politicians who say things that are not clear.

But it appears you have all the clarity you need when it comes to him. That's OK, everyone gets to pick a horse whenever they want to.

44 posted on 03/12/2014 1:38:17 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

What kool aid is that, exactly? That sounds like a personal attack on me, but I know your very against that. Alert the moderator

You have not yet cited Ted Cruz in context. You cannot do so and maintain that he is unclear

You’re digging deeper. It will only get worse


45 posted on 03/12/2014 2:02:40 PM PDT by stanne
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"Defend our interests" is perfectly appropriate and I would support that 100%.

"Defend our values" is a potential recipe for getting trapped in all sorts of local quagmires where US interests are not at stake.

46 posted on 03/12/2014 2:03:01 PM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: stanne
You're right, that was uncalled for and I apologize.

But you provided the full statement twice. I didn't think a 3rd was warranted.

I'd also like to know what the hell Paul means when he says that our allies need to do more to defend themselves.

These platitudes have meaning in the speakers mind and when it comes to issues of war and peace I would like to know what they mean when they say such things.

I'm certain there are Cruz operatives, Paul operatives, Clinton operatives etc. on this board and perhaps, just maybe, a Cruz operative will see this thread and suggest clarity to their boss.

47 posted on 03/12/2014 2:26:39 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Twice or not, you still haven’t cited the ststement yourself. I certainly won’t cite it again

Ill know where you’re coming from a a later date when the anti Cruz faction comes out as they/ you all do every chanc


48 posted on 03/12/2014 2:57:13 PM PDT by stanne
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then they need to say what those values are

There in lies the rub.

On this forum it appears to be...Libertarianism/Humanism vs Conservationism/Christianity. I choose the latter.

I don't see any other way to pair these philosophies though some may argue the case for a Conservative Humanist but I think a true marriage of the two would be extremely rare and highly vulnerable to divorce.

49 posted on 03/12/2014 3:06:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: itsahoot

Ok. But Cruz did say what the values were

This is just a verbal trap

But it’s easy. Read the statement in context. If that doesn’t state the values then there is no one who can state values

This is simply propaganda and poorly executed

Anti Cruz. It’s all over every Cruz thread. They don’t want what they ask for/demand. They want demoralization

It’s easy. Just look at Cruz’ original statement and forget convincing the antis they’re gone


50 posted on 03/12/2014 3:11:01 PM PDT by stanne
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