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Ukraine Warns Of 'Full Scale' Invasion As Russia Moves Its Artillery Close To The Borders
Daily Mail ^ | March 12, 2014

Posted on 03/12/2014 1:06:43 PM PDT by Strategy

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To: Marguerite

I saw that last night Margurite....interesting listen.

We need a live Ukraine thread I think now...Russia’s moving missiles and Ukraine’s military is hunkering down on the border...I have photos....it may just come to war...Putin’s done with talking at this point...His Ambassador knew ahead of time that they’d have nothing more to say to Kerry in this recent meeting.....Kerry finally got it.

By the way...there are well over 70 International Observers to Monitor Chrimea Vote...if it actually takes place Sunday...I have a feeling the Hoodlums of Ukraine will initiate something to prevent the people from going out to vote...but I hope not..


151 posted on 03/14/2014 4:51:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: dforest

Listening now....


152 posted on 03/14/2014 5:05:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre

...”Putin and his news media exist not to tell the truth but to conduct propaganda campaigns”....

And you think Main Street Media here in the USA doesn’t have theirs?

Come on, ...you should know better and do


153 posted on 03/14/2014 5:08:50 PM PDT by caww
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; little jeremiah; Marguerite

When you understand the nature of the people in Ukraine...then we can talk...you need to look at the mindset their...they are ALL up for the fight and thugs from both sides are in the for front.

I watched a slow motion video on that ....the Pro-Ukraines were armed with knives clearly and were ready to rumble and what they came their for.

In Donetsk, those Pro-Ukranians men in black masks with bats and gas sprays were driven by buses from Lvov - A city that has been the site of ‘repeated standoffs’ between pro- and anti-Russian demonstrators........these buses were sent with the mission to create the same mess they did in Kiev and Lvov ....

Let’s not forget that The pro-EU supporters outed an elected president...... it is not surprising that the pro-Russian factions in the Ukraine believe they now have the same right to choose their destiny.


154 posted on 03/14/2014 5:15:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah
...”Some people do not want the truth. It’s that simple”....

Your’re right. But truth is sometimes hard to grasp....I still have issues that our Government, along with Nato and EU are fully on board with positioning nations for the Global Agenda, which involves taking out nation leaders by whatever means they see fit to comply with them....no matter the number of people who die in the process... It's a hard truth to swallow....

It's NEVER about the people...it's all about the powers that be jocking for power, wealth, resources of all nations with the end result that who has the most will get the best seats at the table of the NWO Governance.

Nation Sovernity will be history.

155 posted on 03/14/2014 5:23:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: dforest

Am enjoying hearing these....will do more tonight...but what I heard so far he has a handle on what’s happening....with the people as well as the geo-politics of it all. Thanks very much...these matter.


156 posted on 03/14/2014 5:26:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I trust OUR MSM and our politicians a helluva lot less than any other on the planet (bar hellholes like Nork, and of course all Moslem countries except Egypt).


157 posted on 03/14/2014 5:26:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: caww

Nation Sovernity will be history.


They hope. I don’t think it will work.


158 posted on 03/14/2014 5:27:37 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

It’s terrible how they’re reporting on Ukraine and Russia....just like they attacked SISI in Egypt....and had zip understanding of what was going on.


159 posted on 03/14/2014 5:28:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah

It’s terrible how they’re reporting on Ukraine and Russia....just like they attacked SISI in Egypt....and had zip understanding of what was going on.


160 posted on 03/14/2014 5:28:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: little jeremiah

I believe if push comes to shove now or down the pike years from now...if the EU/Nato/US and the Global Elites push Putin far enough....he’ll go after Israel...and that will be his downfall....but he will recover in time.


161 posted on 03/14/2014 5:31:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“Putin’s done with talking at this point...His Ambassador knew ahead of time that they’d have nothing more to say to Kerry in this recent meeting.....Kerry finally got it.”

“If Putin gets Crimea back for Russia without bloodshed, he will be a great historical figure in our country and there’s nothing anyone can do about that,” wrote the journalist Ksenia Sobchak, who is usually opposed to Putin’s policy.

One has to understand that for Russian people Crimea’s role in two huge conflicts - in the Crimean War in 1860 and the World War Two - is the symbol of heroic struggle against invading foreign powers.

As a Crimea resident, who intends to vote Yes in the referendum, said yesterday: “Every square centimeter of Sevastopol is drenched in Russian blood. Many Russian soldiers died for this land. How can we let Ukraine ruin it?”


162 posted on 03/14/2014 5:48:38 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
My concern is Obama’s not about to let Putin gain any of the glory after the slap in the face over Syria....but he may have to take it anyway...

The oligarchs with the money..business and corporations do not want this to be a war zone and much pressure on the players to calm the waters in Ukraine.....I think Putin has Cremia ...period..and likely what Putin wanted to begin with.

Kruscheve said, after the Cuban missile crisis, that he would have never gone to war over Cuba....his objective was to get the missiles out of Turkey we had there..and that was the ultimate deal for him to back off. Might be Putin will settle for Crimea....but too soon to tell....he's seriously looking at Eastern and Western Ukraine and may go for the Gold.

163 posted on 03/14/2014 6:03:36 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I am so bothered by all this, caww. Everyone on this site is aware of the freedoms that we have lost in our country. We have the IRS going after people for their beliefs. We no longer control our own medical care. We have become what we hate the most. Just how do we differ from those we used to consider the enemy? Cold War? They have won. We are becoming them, yet there are still those that think the US is still a moral nation. We, who pressure others to accept our so called values. All values perverse and immoral now. We are slowly accepting Agenda 21. We are giving away our country to this NWO sickness.

The only reason there is a fight for Ukraine is power and control by evil entities involved in the struggle. No good is going to come from this for anyone.


164 posted on 03/14/2014 6:07:57 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

You continue to make assumptions of what’s being stated....guess we’re done then..and I’m sorry to say that...but I won’t dialogue with you on this matter now.


165 posted on 03/14/2014 6:08:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: dforest

...”Just how do we differ from those we used to consider the enemy?”....

That’s exactly what the foreign nationalists are saying...that we have become worse than some of them. We meddle in affairs not our own...we intimidate etc....but it’s hidden from the American people.

We kill babies and sanction homosexual behavior, allow criminals to go free while depriving people of justice. That the USA has become a “playground” of sillyness and stupidity.

Frankly they are right....what’s difficult is when people hear Putin, he definately does what he says, when he can sound more sensible then our leaders????

The idea that the US can be principled by the wrong doing of one nation/leaders.... and have no principles about the wrong doing of another...clearly suggests that the US hasn’t any principles...meaning our Gov. no longer operates so on the World Stage.


166 posted on 03/14/2014 6:17:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Seeing this happen literally makes me physically ill. After watching Egypt and Libya I know that we are on a very dangerous course. The US is now being run by those that are no longer working for the interests of the American people, they are working for the global cabal and we are just pawns. They have stolen our freedom and our livelihoods.

We have lost our country and we do nothing but put our hopes in elections that are no longer determined by voters.

Geesh, I wonder what is really going on with this missing plane? We used to be good guys, but I no longer believe we are. We are controlled by master manipulators.


167 posted on 03/14/2014 6:29:29 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

“People need to wake up and see what is really going on here. Victoria Nuland is a snake.”

As Robert English, director of the School of International Relations at the University of Southern California, said:

“Given our own hypocrisy — don’t violate agreements (except the one not to expand NATO eastward), don’t invade countries on phony pretexts (except Iraq) and don’t support minority secession movements (except Kosovo) — why wouldn’t we want to restore U.S. credibility by living up to our principles in this (Ukraine) critical case?”


168 posted on 03/14/2014 7:27:24 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: little jeremiah; caww

“You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!”

I can and I do :-)

Joking aside, how can the West accomodate itself with the trampling of its own principles?

The European Parliament in 2012 condemned the Ukrainian socialist-national party Svoboda’s racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia as “against the EU’s fundamental values and principles”.

One year later, the EU and US support an unelected power and government in Ukraine, in which the same Svoboda party holds five key positions, including the vice-prime minister, minister of defence and prosecutor general!!!

Svoboda called to abolish the autonomy of Crimea, pushed for the parliamentary vote that abolished the Russian language as official regional language, provocative to Ukraine’s 15 millions (one third of the total population) ethnic Russians; these were the first steps of the West supported government in Ukraine, and the US and EU have nothing to say about that?

How do Obama and Merkel spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?


169 posted on 03/14/2014 7:46:06 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
That's exactly right....

The principle of 'National Sovereignty' should be foremost...but of course Obama, Congress, no longer consider what the people think....nor the Constitution reads...they're no longer abiding by it or any rules but making their own as they go


170 posted on 03/14/2014 7:53:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: Marguerite
They rather have Hollywood make the decisions...

Council Foreign Relations discussing resources, sustainability, economics, & national security with of all people... 'Harrison Ford!'...March 2013


171 posted on 03/14/2014 8:00:44 PM PDT by caww
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To: Marguerite; melancholy

This is interesting...

” Putin’s Actions and the Future of War”

References to Vladi­mir Putin’s invasion of Crimea as some sort of “19th-century behavior” misjudge the enormity of recent events. .....He hasn’t miscalculated;......... “Putin is redefining 21st-century warfare.”

Putin is no longer bound by the constraints of nation-state warfare..... Years of confrontations with separatists, militants, terrorists and stateless actors influenced his thinking. ......In Crimea, Putin debuted a pop-up war — nimble and covert — that is likely to be the design of the future.

Putin moved into Crimea partly because it was a low-stakes way to test out his new warfare. Home to significant Russian military assets and a somewhat sympathetic population, Crimea is geographically isolated from the rest of Ukraine; Putin could confidently predict that there would be no physical response to his invasion by a globally exhausted West.

For years, Putin relied on the heavy, Soviet-style hammer. His recent actions suggest that traditional military and intelligence are no longer the means by which he feels he has to fight. While the West is focusing on the best response to his recent steps, Putin is most likely on to the next stages: determining which, if any, international protocols apply to his actions and how his tactics can be used elsewhere.

It’s time to give up the decadent belief that continental wars are over. Going forward, the terms by which the world is playing are Putin’s — a reality we all must recognize and for which we need an effective response.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/playing-by-putins-tactics/2014/03/09/b5233b90-a558-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html


172 posted on 03/14/2014 8:03:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Just imagine the conversation:

(Phone rings)

Putin: Hello?

Obama: “It’s me again President Putin. I demand you remove your troops from Crimea.”

Putin: “President Obama, remove your military base from Guantanamo in Cuba.”

Obama: “What happens in the Western Hemisphere stays in the Western Hemisphere. It’s none of your business.”

Putin: “What happens in the Eastern Hemisphere stays in the Eastern Hemisphere. It’s none of your business.”

Obama: “But France and Germany say ...”

Putin: “France, Germany, pfft. With Germany we’d been there, done that, remember 1941-45? Is momma Merkel sure to go there again?”

Obama: “Well, I draw the red line, too bad you ignore it.”

Putin: “Oh, no, red lines, and more red lines, what are you, a communist? Ha!” (Click.)


173 posted on 03/14/2014 8:12:51 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww

“Council Foreign Relations discussing resources, sustainability, economics, & national security with of all people... ‘Harrison Ford!’

All the world is a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;

- William Shakespeare


174 posted on 03/14/2014 8:25:44 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww; All
I watched a slow motion video on that ....the Pro-Ukraines were armed with knives clearly and were ready to rumble and what they came their for.

I've watched several videos on the matter and have read reports by reporters on the ground who witnessed it. None characterize it as you have. In Donetsk, those Pro-Ukranians men in black masks with bats and gas sprays

The only people with bats and gas sprays were the Kremlin stooges bused in from Moscow:

"A Western official, citing secret intelligence reports, said that thousands of Russian citizens were being bused into Donetsk and other eastern Ukrainian cities under the supervision of Russian intelligence officers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/europe/rumors-mushroom-in-eastern-ukraine-fueling-expectations-of-war.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimesworld

If you have evidence of the Pro-Ukrainians there being armed, which I saw none in any of the videos I saw, from different perspectives, and which no journalist reported on, then please provide it.

175 posted on 03/14/2014 10:11:01 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww; All
You continue to make assumptions of what’s being stated....guess we’re done then..and I’m sorry to say that...but I won’t dialogue with you on this matter now.

I accurately described your attempts at justifying murder. What else can be said when you are here telling me that the Ukrainians were armed with bats, knives and sprays, when the video clearly shows people huddled in a circle behind a police line when "Pro-Russians," described by locals as Russian Federation citizens, storm through and stab someone to death? And you expect me to believe that, in slow motion, you saw someone on the Ukrainian side holding a knife, as the agent provocateurs of the Russkies dived into the crowd swinging? None of this you mention, or acknowledge, but continue to attempt to paint these people as Nazis who DESERVED to die.

I will NOT be shy when dealing with such blatant delusion. This is why the conservative movement is so pathetic. Easily conned by whoever shows up, whether it is a Romney, a Rubio, or a Russian Czar.

By the way, I recognize your talking points straight from the Russian media, so don't mess with me with this stupid stuff about being "objective." This is blatant propaganda selling! If you are objective, take neither side, and do not excuse violence!

176 posted on 03/14/2014 10:19:47 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: little jeremiah

“You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!”

I can and I do :-)

Joking aside, how can the West accomodating with trampling its own principles?

The European Parliament in 2012 condemned the Ukrainian socialist-national party Svoboda’s racism, anti-Semitism and xenophobia as “against the EU’s fundamental values and principles”

One year later, the same EU and US support an illegitimate government in Ukraine, in which the same Svoboda party holds five key positions, including the vice-prime minister, minister of defence and prosecutor general.

Svoboda called to abolish the autonomy of Crimea, pushed for the parliamentary vote that abolished the Russian language status as official regional language, provocative to Ukraine’s 15 millions people (one third of the of ethnic Russians, and incredibly dangerous as the first steps in a deeply divided country.

US and EU have nothing to say about that?

How do Obama and Merkel spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?


177 posted on 03/15/2014 2:22:40 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; little jeremiah; Marguerite; melancholy; All

Ok Freepers...I’m being called basically a liar....now here’s the video....It’s a Pro-Russian Rally and those bused in were from Luv with the intent of rumbling....note how they stay tightly huddled once the camera’s roll....they went there to stage this...you wanted proof GPH..here ya go...

...starting the video you will soon see the Pro-Ukrainians begin to huddle in a group in front of the buses....at the front are three guys, watch the hands of the second guy in white mask and tan cap..he has a knife in his hand...he lunges out at a demonstrator...O.51....then back... and moves the knife to his other hand O.52 and 0.53...almost looks like his friend next to him might have taken it, but that part isn’t clear.

So what do you see?..... You have to freeze frame it to see as it moves fast. I haven’t found the slow motion video which I should have kept...hopefully I’ll come across it again.

The point GPH is they were not the peaceful thugs you claim...on either side!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mScUmNECpf8


178 posted on 03/15/2014 3:00:35 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Thanks for the video.
It’s obvious that the pro-Maidan guys arrived in Donetsk by bus, and that they were not local residents of the city. They showed up at a peaceful demonstration and created chaos. Why were they wearing masks (at the beginning of the video) ? Because they were all equipped with gas sprays.


179 posted on 03/15/2014 4:23:10 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww

You only reveal your own desperation to justify the subsequent murder. Your video doesn’t even begin at the start of the protest, which actually began as two separated protests with flag waving. Right away, the Ukrainians were having to dodge objects being lobbed from the other side. There is no evidence for your claim that Ukrainians were being violent. Hence why even the Swedes were lamenting the “Thugs” on Moscow’s side after this assault, which isn’t even the first time there has been an attack of this nature. BTW, as is obvious, your video begins as a group is already being mobbed by the Agents of Moscow, just before they finish backing into a new police line.


180 posted on 03/15/2014 4:28:30 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww

By the way, neither you nor the troll Muscovite have provided evidence that the Ukrainians there were bused from Kiev. Though neither of you have commented on the very real likelihood that the aggressors weren’t even from Donestk.


181 posted on 03/15/2014 4:32:58 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww
Check out this link: False flags
182 posted on 03/15/2014 4:53:34 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww
Closeup of the Maidan thugs from Lwov, being pushed back to their bus:
183 posted on 03/15/2014 5:56:55 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww

I believe we have partisan press but not one party press. I believe most of our media supports the liberal agenda in all ways, but we don’t have just a liberal media. The very success of so many conservative journals in the last 50 years is inspiring; we used to have very few indeed.


184 posted on 03/15/2014 9:37:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: Marguerite; caww

They got their fascist butts kicked real good didn’t they?

Its about time.


185 posted on 03/15/2014 10:27:53 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Marguerite

Well, we know there’s large amounts of cash being passed out to any who agree to create a rumble...and especially if there are deaths sufficient to engage Russia and/or the Nato into war. There are people who want a war...and maintain the engagement of the International Community focus on Ukraine...plus the more damage the more revenue will flow into the country to fill Ukraine’s coffers.

Interesting side note:

Aleksey Goronin, 25, a ‘pro-Russia activist’ who patrols the central square in a camouflage vest as part of a volunteer militia, said.... the killing was regrettable, but added that they have proof that the pro-Ukraine protesters were ‘hired mercenaries’...... A bag had been found with documents showing the men had traveled to Donetsk from Kiev, and each passport had more than $300 in crisp American bills tucked inside.


186 posted on 03/15/2014 10:30:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: mac_truck
Yes they did and it looks like the Euromaiden.Pro-Ukranians were well paid to incite this..bused them in for the conflict.....

Euromaiden’s Government should of course ban these protests nationwide until things are secure, but of course they will not. Their intention is to maintain these violent encounters ( and those who are funding and orchestrating them) which of course keeps the International Community engaged and the revenues flowing to Ukraine's new Government.

When one of the Federal Buildings was recently taken the police were instructed NOT to intervene.

187 posted on 03/15/2014 10:37:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: sassy steel magnolia

Yes..se will pay as a nation. May be close to time of his return. We will need the help...and the help of fhu.com Roy Masters. He is today’s John the Baptist..before the return.


188 posted on 03/15/2014 10:46:18 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: sassy steel magnolia

Anything signed by Bill Clinton isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.


189 posted on 03/15/2014 10:47:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mac_truck

“They got their fascist butts kicked real good didn’t they?”

Just like the nazis they worshipped got their butts kicked real good in Harkov and Kursk battles in 1943.
Nazis should have learned the war lesson: don’t mess with Russians, they will always win in the end.

Frederick the Great, Napoleon and Hitler got it, why wouldn’t some stupid jerks from Lwov?


190 posted on 03/15/2014 11:08:31 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: caww
pro-Ukraine protesters were ‘hired mercenaries’.

I'm wondering who's paying their uniforms.

Training in hand combat among militiamen from the nazi far(right nationalist organization "Right sector" on Maidan place, Kiev

191 posted on 03/15/2014 11:31:59 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite
"don’t mess with Russians, they will always win in the end."

Mmm cool...

But why...



is a grown up guy riding a pony ?
192 posted on 03/15/2014 11:38:26 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
He's also riding a Harley Davidson ...


193 posted on 03/15/2014 11:46:07 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

LOL ! But this filthy creature is riding a trike, something good for old women.


194 posted on 03/15/2014 11:50:30 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I bet you’re suffering of trike envy.


195 posted on 03/15/2014 11:58:11 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Supersonic flight

Playing hockey

Driving a Formula One car

Playing piano at a charity concert for children in St.Petersburg

196 posted on 03/15/2014 12:11:48 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

He is, The Most Interesting Man in the World.


197 posted on 03/15/2014 12:16:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Marguerite
This is hilarious, most likely you have no idea why... but ok, my turn.

Wearing make up


198 posted on 03/15/2014 12:23:44 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: dfwgator

Much, much more interesting than Obummer.

Putin is a very complex and complete man, not just the stereotyped “KGB agent” image the American media made him.


199 posted on 03/15/2014 12:26:39 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Looks like Mercenaries for hire @ $300. an event...good money in that bankrupt country....good reason not to get back on the bus....rather take a beating and do so with camera’s rolling.

One video shows photographers swarming to get these close up shots....though the police kept the crowd back then..they let the photographers have free reihn.....not one camera was pointing at the Pro-Russians...they all wanted to portray these thugs as victims.... it certainly is beginning to be proven they were paid well to take the hit and create this conflict.

Interesting nobody questioned why there wasn’t a single woman among these Euromaiden so called “peaceful demonstrators....they were thugs bused in and that’s the story.


200 posted on 03/15/2014 12:59:50 PM PDT by caww
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