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Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP
The Washington Examiner ^ | March 11, 2014 | Noemie Emery

Posted on 03/12/2014 2:33:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As with most things, there are good and bad aspects of the Tea Party movement. And all the bad ones were on display March 6 in a speech by Ted Cruz to the Conservative Political Action Conference that replayed every silly thing ever said by conservatives and added some riffs of his own.

He began with a mocking refrain about "presidents" Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney (two of them veterans impaired by their trauma), chiding them for not being his kind of conservative. He also asked if we remembered their reigns.

Well, we do remember, and we remember one more that for some reason is never brought up in this context: the glorious tenure of "President" Barry M. Goldwater, Mr. Conservative, far more in-your-face than Ronald Reagan, who lost by far more than those other worthies. Goldwater lost in one of the great drubbings in history, lost by more than any Republican but Alfred M. Landon, and carried only his home state and five southern states for all the wrong reasons (opposing -- for a fairly innocent reason -- the Civil Rights Act of 1964.)

No one followed the Cruz playbook more than Goldwater, and no one has managed to lose so conclusively. He offered a choice, not an echo, and nobody took it. But how, if Cruz is so right, could this have happened? It can’t, which is why it is never brought up in this context. In his world, it doesn’t exist.

As the Goldwater debacle has been excised from history, so have the actual reasons why Dole, McCain and Romney all lost. Dole lost because the Bill Clinton he faced in 1996 was not the Clinton of 1993-94, but the Third Way Bill Clinton...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Kansas; US: Kentucky; US: Massachusetts; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: arizona; barrygoldwater; bobdole; cruz; dole; goldwater; gope; johnmccain; kansas; kentucky; massachusetts; mccain; mittromney; tedcruz; texas
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Neither Abraham Lincoln nor FDR come back from the grave could've defeated LBJ that year just months after the "martyrdom" of JFK in Dallas. Terrible example.
1 posted on 03/12/2014 2:33:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ridiculous


2 posted on 03/12/2014 2:37:13 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I didn’t realize Mitt waws a veteran...

Ok,ok, So McC was impaired? I thought so, probably
brain washed. Red Queen John, Red Queen!


3 posted on 03/12/2014 2:40:13 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is why I do not buy newspapers anymore, and for a long time. Sadly, some people still think the trash that gets printed, represents reality.


4 posted on 03/12/2014 2:41:30 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks Liberals!

We appreciate your advice!

It worked so well when you told us McCain and Romney would be great choices to run for President


5 posted on 03/12/2014 2:43:06 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re spot on with that. No one was going to defeat LBJ wearing the assassination sympathy hat of JFK.

Goldwater did however launch Ronald Reagan

So who is this bloviating opinionator? Noemie Emery? Another one to add to the trashbin of lazy journalistic morons feasting on Beltway leftovers.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 2:43:12 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A google search for Goldwater’s platform, and reading, Barry would be right at home with the tea party types.


7 posted on 03/12/2014 2:44:02 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

nobody is a golden boy (or girl) for that matter.
if negative stuff is going to show its face (by his own
acts rather than accusations or criticisms from opponents) I am glad it is showing early. I like Cruz personally but
if there is a weakness there—there’s a weakness there.


8 posted on 03/12/2014 2:44:17 PM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lightweight writer, lightweight writing and not historical or even connected to anything today.


9 posted on 03/12/2014 2:44:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOPe really hates small govt Conservatives.


10 posted on 03/12/2014 2:44:31 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you campaign from atop the funeral bier of a martyred president, yes, it is a snap to win. But Johnson got his comeuppance, sure enough.


11 posted on 03/12/2014 2:45:11 PM PDT by abb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Neither Abraham Lincoln nor FDR come back from the grave could've defeated LBJ that year just months after the "martyrdom" of JFK in Dallas. Terrible example.

In addition, Goldwater was a reluctant candidate, his campaign staff was inept, and the party's establishment, with the exception of Richard Nixon, sat out the campaign after he won the nomination. A bad example, indeed.

12 posted on 03/12/2014 2:45:35 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s IT!!! This article has convinced me. Ted Cruz is a BAAAA.....D man! LOL Bob
Can the anti-Cruz forces get more desperate? Uh, probably, unfortunately. But their panic will not stop him.


13 posted on 03/12/2014 2:46:01 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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“Neither Abraham Lincoln nor FDR come back from the grave could’ve defeated LBJ that year just months after the “martyrdom” of JFK in Dallas. Terrible example.”

Exactly—this is the overwhelming explanation for the election outcome of 1964. The effects of a nuclear bomb TV commercial, ideology, or anything else is impossible in light of the influence of Kennedy’s death. That was the election.


14 posted on 03/12/2014 2:49:09 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The establishment still thinks of the Republican Party as the globalist elitist backstabbers who've played constitutional conservatives for votes for decades.

Ted Cruz is the reality. We're not playing their games anymore. Let Ted Cruz and those who stand with him articulate the message that will inspire a nation.

Cristie will always be the guy who would close that bridge to punish a politician. JebBush will always be the gov who let Terry Schiavo die. Paul Ryan will always be the guy who singlehandedly handed the open ended non-budget to Obama while screwing veterans. Not one of them has any place in the discussion anymore.

15 posted on 03/12/2014 2:52:07 PM PDT by grania
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Payback...

The GOPe has been giving conservatives nightmares for years!


16 posted on 03/12/2014 2:52:57 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: brooklyn dave

What “weakness” did the author point out, other than her preference for a much more moderate Ripon Republican?


17 posted on 03/12/2014 2:53:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Noemie Emery is an idiot living in the past.


18 posted on 03/12/2014 2:54:39 PM PDT by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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To: EagleUSA

I quit my newspaper today - it was long overdue.


19 posted on 03/12/2014 2:55:13 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These are the intellectual heirs of the people who told us that nominating Reagan would be a disaster.


20 posted on 03/12/2014 2:59:49 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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"Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP"

...or as Karl Rove would say, "STOP DREAMING and learn to live with the beltway status quo"

21 posted on 03/12/2014 3:06:04 PM PDT by Baynative (Got bulbs? Check my profile page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The national socialists trying to frame the race before it gets going.


22 posted on 03/12/2014 3:07:18 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: School of Rational Thought

Worked for them in 1996, 2008, 2012 and **almost** in 2000.


23 posted on 03/12/2014 3:10:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Sarah Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: alstewartfan

Cruz will be good when he gets some results and the only way to do that is for him to get reelected with a Republican majority in the Senate and House. He has not been able to do much. He is only in his first term so it is understandable.


24 posted on 03/12/2014 3:14:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people who stood by Goldwater were landslide candidates in the next 4 of 5 elections.


25 posted on 03/12/2014 3:20:02 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: napscoordinator

Never miss an opportunity to CREATE a good crisis.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 3:20:52 PM PDT by DaveA37
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To: iacovatx
The effects of a nuclear bomb TV commercial, ideology,

Ahh the infamous Daisy Add.


27 posted on 03/12/2014 3:31:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for RINOs is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m willing to concede that many people are smarter than I am, sometimes much smarter — for example, Ted Cruz. It’s also clear from his record that Ted Cruz is smarter than almost everyone else, including Noemie Emery who wrote this article.

Ted Cruz graduated with honors from Princeton and the Harvard Law School, one of whose most distinguished professors, Alan Dershowitz, has gone on record to say that Ted Cruz was one of the most brilliant students he ever taught.

Senator Cruz also served as a Supreme Court clerk; came from far behind in the polls to win his Texas Senate seat; and in a matter of little more than a year in Washington has become a front runner for the Republican 2016 presidential nomination, picking up the most coveted Conservative endorsement — Sarah Palin’s — along the way.

Ted Cruz is an expert at winning, and if he thinks he can win the presidency in 2016, who are the rest of us relative mediocrities to disagree with him? After eight years of President Obama, only a towering genius will be able to undo the damage. And Ted Cruz is the only candidate who even remotely qualifies. Rand Paul, his principal opponent, is a mediocre product of nepotism; he inherited his father’s supporters.

Do we want a better country or not?


28 posted on 03/12/2014 3:34:45 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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Cruz would get my vote over most, if not all, Republicans. Certainly over any democrat...I will donate to his campaign should he win the nomination (still haven’t picked my primary candidate)....


29 posted on 03/12/2014 3:37:21 PM PDT by Tulane
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
No one followed the Cruz playbook more than Goldwater, and no one has managed to lose so conclusively. He offered a choice, not an echo, and nobody took it.
"defoliation of the forests by low-yield atomic weapons could well be done" -- Barry Goldwater
30 posted on 03/12/2014 3:54:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All should be appreciative of Dole and McCain’s war time sacrifices, but if it impaired their ability to run for the office or perform the functions of POTUS, then they should not have been nominated. Period. If they were nominated because it was “their turn”, then shame on us, we deserved to lose.

Cruz was right, neither were really conservative, just Pubbies.


31 posted on 03/12/2014 4:03:47 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Fiji Hill

Actually it is the best example of the GOPe abandonment of conservative candidates


32 posted on 03/12/2014 4:22:53 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: alstewartfan

Ted Cruz is a great man - he has back-bone and has wonderful ideals.


33 posted on 03/12/2014 4:28:08 PM PDT by dgkb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Neither Abraham Lincoln nor FDR come back from the grave could've defeated LBJ that year just months after the "martyrdom" of JFK in Dallas. Terrible example.

Johnson would have won the election against another candidate, but Republicans might not have lost 36 House seats if Goldwater wasn't the candidate.

Losses in the Senate weren't as bad, but Johnson did get his veto-proof Congress (even taking into account that some Democrats wouldn't vote with him).

34 posted on 03/12/2014 4:30:04 PM PDT by x
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To: napscoordinator

What a leader — first term!


35 posted on 03/12/2014 4:33:07 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember the Goldwater campaign. Every time you picked up a newspaper or watched Cronkite you got a slash-and-burn criticism of Goldwater from George Romney (Mitt’s father), Nelson Rockefeller or William Scranton, governor or Pennsylvania. It was the advent of the establishment Republicans and the MSM coordinating their efforts to kill the conservative candidate.

Over the years it has developed into a science. They don’t even have to have secret meetings to figure out the game plan.


36 posted on 03/12/2014 4:43:06 PM PDT by Liberty Wins ( The average lefty is synapse challenged)
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What a leader — first term!

Yes and we are falling into the same disaster. I can't believe how dumb the Republicans are to hold two one-term Senators up as our nominees. I guess Republicans love to lose.

37 posted on 03/12/2014 4:43:18 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: X-spurt
If they were nominated because it was “their turn”, then shame on us, we deserved to lose.

They were, and we did.

38 posted on 03/12/2014 5:00:57 PM PDT by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"President Obama and Sen. Ted Cruz have some things in common, including stunning ascents to political stardom, exotic and mixed ethnic backgrounds that give additional resonance, complex starts in life that give rise to birther/conspiracy theories, and reputations for brilliance that do not seem to translate well into dealing with political everyday life."

"Their judgment is bad, their experience slight, and their egos enormous. They are cult figures with frenzied admirers, which compounds the problem. They are full of themselves and firmly believe they can do the impossible."

"They are obsessed with ideology and see little beyond it. They are fixated on health care — to destroy or enshrine it — and will sacrifice anything to do so. And they are running headlong into optional coming implosions they created all by themselves."

39 posted on 03/12/2014 5:02:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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I can't believe how dumb the Republicans are to hold two one-term Senators up as our nominees. I guess Republicans love to lose.

Yeah. It really failed miserably when the Democrats tried it in 2008 & 2012. They lost by a landslide...oh wait...

40 posted on 03/12/2014 5:03:12 PM PDT by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: napscoordinator

President Cruz will start getting results in 2017.


41 posted on 03/12/2014 5:05:27 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
HEADLINE: Dreaming of 'President Ted Cruz' will turn into a nightmare for the GOP Establishment and Other Liberals

There. I fixed it.

42 posted on 03/12/2014 5:14:13 PM PDT by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: alstewartfan

He will not be President in 2017. We cannot afford another one-term Senator. Actually he won’t even be a one-term, but a partical term. He is the least results oriented Senator in history. Governor Walker all the way unless you want to see…..
Presidential Hillary Clinton in 2017!!!!!!!


43 posted on 03/12/2014 5:31:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: NonLinear

Yeah. It really failed miserably when the Democrats tried it in 2008 & 2012. They lost by a landslide...oh wait…

I didn’t vote for the one-term senator in 2008 or 2012 like you did. I am smarter than that and I won’t vote for one in 2016 either.


44 posted on 03/12/2014 5:33:06 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator
You said:

I can't believe how dumb the Republicans are to hold two one-term Senators up as our nominees. I guess Republicans love to lose.

I inferred that you meant that a one-term senator could not possibly win a presidential election.

I replied back:

Yeah. It really failed miserably when the Democrats tried it in 2008 & 2012. They lost by a landslide...oh wait…

Meaning that one such person did, in fact, win the presidential election. Your first supposition failed the reality test.

I did not say that I voted for him. Your second supposition failed also.

45 posted on 03/12/2014 5:45:55 PM PDT by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Neither Abraham Lincoln nor FDR come back from the grave could've defeated LBJ that year just months after the "martyrdom" of JFK in Dallas. Terrible example.

Agreed.

And, while Goldwater only received 39% of the popular vote, it was the most motivated 39% the GOP had received since Abraham Lincoln.

It was the 39% that led directly to Ronald Reagan's triumph in 1980 -- and would've led to his triumph in 1976, had the GOP establishment allowed it to happen.

Goldwater's followers (that would be us) changed the Republican party forever. And Rockefeller's followers have never understood why...

46 posted on 03/12/2014 5:52:15 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: NonLinear

I know exactly what you said and you knew exactly what I meant. Yes we did have a one-term Senator win in 2008 and 2012 on the DEMOCRATIC side….your party apparently. We are Republicans if you hadn’t noticed. I don’t want a one-term disaster of a Senator as our Presidential nominee. We are going through that now with one. Why should we emulate the Democrats?


47 posted on 03/12/2014 5:59:59 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

**yawn**


48 posted on 03/12/2014 6:47:57 PM PDT by NonLinear (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: NonLinear

Great debate. No wonder we lose with such people as you who could not debate yourself out of a paper bag. You are prime reason that we cannot win a Presidential election. Sadly you are spreading your spittle all over.


49 posted on 03/12/2014 7:20:34 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Weekly Standard - the magazine for Republicans who hate themselves for being Republican. Bill Kristol is their Master.


50 posted on 03/13/2014 11:47:51 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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