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The Photographer’s Story (Is Everyone Who Opposes Gay Marriage a Bigot?)
Slate ^ | William Saletan

Posted on 03/12/2014 2:58:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Is everyone who opposes gay marriage a bigot? If a photographer declines to participate in a same-sex wedding, should she be held legally liable, on that basis alone, for discrimination?

I don’t think so. Over the past several days, I’ve been following a lively exchange on this topic between Ross Douthat of the New York Times, Mark Joseph Stern of Slate, and Conor Friedersdorf of the Atlantic. I like all three of these writers. I was a best man at a same-sex wedding 23 years ago, and I was a fan of gay marriage even before that. But I’m disturbed by what I see today. We’re stereotyping and vilifying opponents of gay marriage the way we’ve seen gay people stereotyped and vilified. This is a deeply personal moral issue. To get it right, we need more than justice. We need humanity.

The exchange began on Sunday, with Douthat’s column about proprietors who decline, on religious grounds, to participate in same-sex weddings. On Monday, Stern denounced these proprietors—“that infamous trio: a florist, a photographer, and a baker, who claimed their Christianity required that they deny service to gay couples.” Criticizing these and other “bigots,” Stern asserted that “their ‘dissent’ is a hatred of gay people so vehement that they’ll violate non-discrimination laws just to make sure they never, ever have to provide a gay person with a basic service.”

On Wednesday, Friedersdorf challenged Stern’s characterization of the dissenters. Friedersdorf quoted from the photographer’s petition to the U.S. Supreme Court, which gave her account of the events leading to her conviction for discrimination. The email exchange between the photographer, Elaine Huguenin, and the prospective lesbian client, Vanessa Willock, didn’t seem hateful:

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 03/12/2014 2:58:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I hate to tell them this but not all gays support gay marriage.


2 posted on 03/12/2014 2:59:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
Just like there are "moderate" Muslims, huh?

Sorry, I don't buy it for a second. Homosexuals are narcissistic punks who want everyone to recognize their lifestyle.

3 posted on 03/12/2014 3:03:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Notice how “opposes gay marriage” becomes “doesn’t like gays”. They’re not the same thing. I don’t have anything against anyone on my block, I also don’t have anything against the dogs around here — but, I don’t want them marrying each other either.


4 posted on 03/12/2014 3:05:34 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

They’re largely fascistic too


5 posted on 03/12/2014 3:10:17 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I don’t care whether you buy it or not. Some gays are quite content in the closet and just want to be left alone.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 3:12:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: nickcarraway
We need more articles like this. Many businesses have signs saying they reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Seriously, would you want a photographer at your wedding who didn't want to be there? A cake baked by someone who didn't want to bake it? Ridiculous.

Yes, it's valid to require someone who sells cupcakes at a store to sell them regardless of race, creed, etc. of the customer. But here we're not talking product; We're talking about performing personal service. Can I force you to come clean my home just because I'm willing to pay you? Do I have to babysit kids I can't stand just because someone is willing to pay me the prevailing wage? Would any sane person want to force someone to babysit his/her kids?

7 posted on 03/12/2014 3:14:21 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: nickcarraway

There is another thread around here talking about a British woman marrying her dog. If this photographer was asked to photograph a woman-dog wedding (remembering New Mexico didn’t recognize same sex marriages when this happened) would she be in trouble?


8 posted on 03/12/2014 3:15:37 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: nickcarraway

Yeah, so what..
Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance
Every human being has this in some manner for something. I distrust politicians and the media. I have contempt for people that abuse women children and animals. I have contempt and intolerance for perverts who destroy society, marriage the family harm children physically and mentally.
So call me a BIGOT! I will wear that label proudly...


9 posted on 03/12/2014 3:15:45 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: nickcarraway

Yeah, so what..
Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust, hatred, contempt, or intolerance
Every human being has this in some manner for something. I distrust politicians and the media. I have contempt for people that abuse women children and animals. I have contempt and intolerance for perverts who destroy society, marriage the family harm children physically and mentally.
So call me a BIGOT! I will wear that label proudly...


10 posted on 03/12/2014 3:21:11 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: nickcarraway

Idiots like Stern do not even understand that they are the bigots and they are guilty of intolerance..


11 posted on 03/12/2014 3:24:40 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
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To: nickcarraway

There’s a reason why so many Fascists are homosexuals and pedophiles. It’s a marriage made in hell.


12 posted on 03/12/2014 3:29:16 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: nickcarraway

Just reading the emails you can see this was a typical homosexual activist set up.


13 posted on 03/12/2014 4:03:13 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: nickcarraway
The Slate article focuses on the New mexico photography case, of which I've not researched. But i DO KNOW about the Colorado bakery case involving Masterpiece Bakery.

This was pure hatred and attempted subjugation by militant gay gestapo activists. The real deal: Two Gay Gestapo militants were "married" in MASSACHUSETTS. Later, in Colorado, they searched out and found the one Christian-owned bakery in Denver. There were 82 (!!) closer bakeries to where they live (their address can be found online), some specializing in wedding cakes. But these 2 militants passed by all these so they could confront the Christian baker at Masterpiece and demand a "gay wedding cake" ..... intentionally CREATING the conflict just so they could sue him into oblivion. The baker at Masterpiece told them, "I'm happy to bake a cake for any other reason - birthday, etc. - but can't for a gay wedding." The mother of one of the gay hate filled gestapo militants (*who went to Masterpiece with the 2 militants) admitted, "It was never about the cake." With the legal persecution fund already raised ahead of time, they then sued the baker who may now lose his livelihood (and his ability to provide for his family and children) because the far left Colorado court ruled the baker guilty even though he specifically said he would be happy to bake for any other activity for the militants. These militants doe not even belong in a free country, let alone deserve being catered to!


14 posted on 03/12/2014 4:23:37 PM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: Ancient Wonderboy

Oops - I guess there no “edit” function nor a delete function. Sorry, everyone.


15 posted on 03/12/2014 4:25:23 PM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: Ancient Wonderboy

The font brought the right amount of attention to the comment. This gay-marriage madness is a whomped-up controversy whose purpose is the suppression of free speech and religious expression. But so many “conservatives” cannot wait to jump on the bandwagon—see, e.g., National Review.


16 posted on 03/12/2014 5:05:14 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: nickcarraway

Homosexuality is a worldview which throws out Reason and God’s Design of the human body. It throws out Objective Truth, Common Sense and the ideology which created the USA and our “Justice (ethic) System”.

Why? Because Sodomites erase Truth/God and Science (Reason/Natural Law) in children. They blur the Truth and eliminate Logic when children-—like the Afghani boys are raised in harems or can never “live” in a normal biological family. The “normal” is never embedded in the conscience.

They can’t “see” Reality the way Nature Designed it——they look at men in a way that destroys true, honest (selfless) friendships-—and reduces them to sexual objects, which is always selfish and sexist—since there is always a dislike/discomfort with the opposite sex and it is impossible to mature and flourish in normal designed way.

All homosexual cultures treate women like breeders only, with recreational sex always with the same sex, and mostly with younger boys, because it is a learned worldview/behavior and mostly taught by molestation, like the Samurai/Spartans/Afghanis.

The boys are fixated at the age of molestation and with the intense desire embedded so a longing to recreate those original emotions. Sexual abuse always warps a child’s “Reality” in immense ways especially if intense emotions are embedded, where their sexual identity formation is extremely warped (like the raped by a Lesbian, Chastity Bono).

It is a fixation in immaturity where true maturity is never reached, which is the ability to “love” “the Other”, true diversity, which is much harder.

It is why homosexuals are narcissistic and self-absorbed, because of their immaturity and without intense therapy they can never “mature”.

Corruption of the children removes sexual morality which collapse all cultures eventually, like the orgies in Rome and Sodom and Noah’s time, and like in the Weimar Republic (Homosexuality was the National Vice and homosexuals were allowed to found Boy Scout troops in the late 1800s), which collapsed into chaos or totalitarianism since there is no self-control, no “love”, no Virtue and no responsibility for offspring and futures. Only nihilism.

Homosexuality destroys the concept of “love”, the meaning of sex and reduces humans to objects of Lust only. It is a warped narcissism/puerile idolatry and rejection of the “Other” which is true diversity/maturity and how nature is designed to “flourish”.

Sodomy is a Vice—and should be a felony still, or, at least discouraged by Laws, as ALL Just Law promotes Virtue. To flip Good and Evil is to destroy Religious Freedom “through laws” which promote Vice.

No one should be able to erase God and Natural Laws from our “Justice” System. Truth/God is being censored unconstitutionally, and the religions of Atheism/Satanism is allowed in the public squares and forced on children with Pride and only Lies and Evil acts are allowed to be promoted (unconstitutional by definition).

Children are being indoctrinated into this Worldview now in their schools to make their Worldview exactly like the little Harem boys in Afghanistan-—where Up is Down, Vice is Virtue. There is no Truth, Christians are silenced or killed and their children are forced to “think” homosexuality is “normal” and that there is no God’s Design in Human Nature. No Biology/ No Science, No such thing as Truth, Normal, etc.

The billionaires, like Geffen, who parade their boytoys at the White House want approval for their evil, vile use of their body and others, and they are paying millions to force the worldview of sodomites into our schools, into our Media, etc.

Of course they started this conditioning in the 80s with “After the Ball”. Sex ED was the nose of the camel-—now they have had books in schools for decades which glorify the fact that little Tommy has two “daddies” and teaching children that there is no morality in sex acts....no God. All sex is “good” even playing with little johnny or masturbating in the playground. It is evil how they are corrupting the “thinking” (worldview) of children.

We are creating little irrational godless Marxists or Afghanis. (intentionally.)


17 posted on 03/12/2014 5:22:48 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Ancient Wonderboy

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18 posted on 03/12/2014 6:30:12 PM PDT by rusty millet
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To: nickcarraway
This is a deeply personal moral issue.

DUH!!



The Health Risks of gay sex.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html

 

Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and
their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men
from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them
."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Doonesbury Cartoon for Feb/08/2013

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.


Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.



2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done.
Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 
 
 
 
 
 


The Health Risks of gay sex.


19 posted on 03/12/2014 6:34:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Starstruck
There is another thread around here talking about a British woman marrying her dog.

The same GOD that was expressing His views just above; ALSO said something about human/animal interaction.

Heck; even AMERICANS say something about it; just like they USED to about HOMOSEXUALS.

20 posted on 03/12/2014 6:36:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
So call me a BIGOT! I will wear that label proudly...

They merely want you to WASTE your time, trying to prove that you're not.

They really don't CARE whether you are or not; just stop talking about how FOUL their lifedeathstyle is.

21 posted on 03/12/2014 6:37:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ancient Wonderboy

I’m awake now!!

;^)


22 posted on 03/12/2014 6:38:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nickcarraway

Did it ever occur to these demented, disease-ridden child-molesters, that they’re the bigots, and the rest of us are mostly normal?


23 posted on 03/12/2014 10:41:48 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“Did it ever occur to these demented, disease-ridden child-molesters, that they’re the bigots, and the rest of us are mostly normal?”


Of course it does. But by continually molesting our tolerance, they keep getting their way. Going back in the closet may be their only resolve. There isn’t anyone I know who isn’t fed up with the homosexual sin that abounds in this world.


24 posted on 03/12/2014 11:04:24 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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>> This is a deeply personal moral issue.

A trivialization of morality treating it like it’s an emotion.


25 posted on 03/12/2014 11:14:12 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The homos of old wouldn’t have dreamed of trying this even in milieus where they were tolerated. Marriage would be a buzz kill. Commitment dampened the game; it didn’t accentuate it.

There is a new breed of loud mouth and they have managed to co-opt what sense was left in the old homos.

The punking instinct has been redirected towards punking society instead of just punking themselves.

Maybe the end game will look like Sodom in which the gang assault apparently was de rigueur. If it’s ever reached. There’s going to be a point reached where even tolerant Christians are going to say this is it, doo-wop, we won’t sit for this any more.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 11:24:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t care whether you buy it or not. Some gays are quite content in the closet and just want to be left alone.

You know this, how?

27 posted on 03/13/2014 3:07:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (15 years of FReeping! Congratulations EEE!!)
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To: nickcarraway
I was a best man at a same-sex wedding 23 years ago

No, you weren't. You just thought you were.

28 posted on 03/13/2014 3:08:20 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Because on of my friends from childhood is gay. He says it doesn’t define him and he doesn’t talk about it or feel a need to push an agenda. He calls GOP proud a bunch of ideological faggots who just want to turn the GOP into the democrats.

The only reason I know about it is because I ran into him and his partner few years ago on a fishing trip up north. He told me because he didn’t want me to figure it out on my own. We suspected him years ago when we were teenagers.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 3:25:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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