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"The Five" are for legalizing Marijuana
March 13, 2014

Posted on 03/12/2014 3:19:06 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Was just watching the show and they played a clip of Rick Perry saying that Texas has lowered fines for first time offense for marijuana use. So far he has not said he would legalize it. So the members went around the table and all but Beckel (recovering addict) said they were for legalizing marijuana. Dana Pirino said Texas might as well legalize it because Texans are coming into Colorado to legally smoke the stuff. She also said that if a republican wants to get a hand in an audience full of hipsters all they have to say is they are for legalizing marijuana. Guess that's the in thing now with some of these RINOs. They can all say they are "libertarian" when it comes to frying your brains on dope. So that's Gillfoyle, Pirino, the midget Gutfeld and Mr. Perfect Bohling, all saying they want to see more dope legalized. I'll post the link as soon as it's out. All four of this fakes call themselves conservatives. Prety bad when lefty Bob Beckel take the conservative position on legalizing dope.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dope; dopedhomos; dopehead; foxnews; justsayno; legalization; liberals; marijuana; obama; pot; potheads; reagan; reefermadness; warondrugs; wod; wosd
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1 posted on 03/12/2014 3:19:06 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I could see how Conservatives standing up for individual liberty instead of the Nanny State could be confusing.


2 posted on 03/12/2014 3:21:45 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: NKP_Vet

How about crack and meth? Why stop with weed?


3 posted on 03/12/2014 3:25:41 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: NKP_Vet

Good. We supposedly support people making choices.


4 posted on 03/12/2014 3:26:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NKP_Vet

Anyone favoring drug prohibition should be intellectually honest and tell everyone how they also support alcohol prohibition. One only needs to look back about a hundred years to see what kind of colossal mistake that was. The drug prohibition has been even worse!


5 posted on 03/12/2014 3:26:58 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: NKP_Vet

Hardly surprises me. FoxNews always seems in bed with the homo agenda. Figures they’d be into dope as well. I rarely even watch the damned network anymore. Not much different than the degenerates at CNN and MSNBC.

But, indeed, that seems to be all that America stands for nowadays... dope, homosex, and deviancy. What a hell of putrid sewer of a country this has become.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 3:27:46 PM PDT by greene66
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To: NKP_Vet

legalizing weed is a big mistake . Penalties should not be draconian because it is not that serious of an issue , but it is a social detriment . The biggest problem is that it tends to turn people into Liberal voting progressive airheads .


7 posted on 03/12/2014 3:30:34 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: NKP_Vet

These same so called ‘libertarian Hipsters’ who rattle on about individual liberty as a rally cry for legalization of marijuana are awfully quiet about individual ECONOMIC freedom—removal of income taxes, abolishing Social Security etc.

These hipsters are social issue libertarians only.

The entire legalization of marijuana issue is all Bread And Circuses for the ‘mob’.


8 posted on 03/12/2014 3:31:05 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: KoRn

No you see alcohol is totally different becuase the people who want to control others happen to consume alcohol so it should be legal.


9 posted on 03/12/2014 3:32:00 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: NKP_Vet

We as a country seem to have an unbelievable tendency to keep doing what ever fails us. If something isn’t working, it’s because we just aren’t doing enough of it! If education fails, spend more. Social Security is failing, keep at it! Drug prohibition isn’t working? Obviously we need to double down!

If you have a social problem and want to see a failure, just have the federal government declare a “War” against it....


10 posted on 03/12/2014 3:32:58 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Wolfie

I’m not a fan of legalization but do think supporting decriminalization would be an acceptable compromise for both conservative and libertarians. Better to pay a fine if caught then provide government another full time revenue stream.

The simple fact is that the democrats will win if the GOP doesn’t find some way to bring at least some of the more conservative libertarians on board.


11 posted on 03/12/2014 3:34:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: NKP_Vet
The “War on Drugs” much like it's older brother, “the War on Poverty” has been an utter failure failure and an excuse for ever more government power that infringes on personal liberty. Which we conservatives are suppose to be for.

Prohibition was a disaster, the “War on Drugs” is an failure as would be an prohibition of tobacco, which many would love to eliminate as well.

12 posted on 03/12/2014 3:34:08 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: NKP_Vet
The War on Drugs is the second biggest hammer, after the IRS, that the government uses to smash the citizens.

They use it to kick open doors, bank accounts, run cars off the road, shoot people in their beds, confiscate property without due process.

It's totalitarian.

13 posted on 03/12/2014 3:35:37 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: NKP_Vet

A Firing Line Debate “Resolved: That Drugs Should Be Legalized”

Starring: William F Buckley, Newt Gingrich, Charles Rangel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luqF6q-ycVA


14 posted on 03/12/2014 3:35:53 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: KoRn

Watching out for drunks on the highway was bad enough, now be on the lookout for driving while on dope. Driving while drugged arrests have gone up in Washington State since the state legalized the mind-numbing recreation drug. It will only get worse.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/07/drunk-and-drugged-driving-arrests-fall-i


15 posted on 03/12/2014 3:37:05 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

libertards


16 posted on 03/12/2014 3:37:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
These same so called ‘libertarian Hipsters’ who rattle on about individual liberty as a rally cry for legalization of marijuana are awfully quiet about individual ECONOMIC freedom—removal of income taxes, abolishing Social Security etc.

These hipsters are social issue libertarians only.

Gutfeld's been pretty clear about his support for economic liberty and deregulation, but don't you set the bar a little high?

Do away with the income tax and social security? Leaving aside the desirability, what's the probability of that happening?

But the 'libertarian Hipsters' bit is cute. Greg is going on tour to promote his book against "hipsters." If he comes to anywhere near you, you could take up the question with him in person.

17 posted on 03/12/2014 3:38:48 PM PDT by x
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To: Pan_Yan
How about crack and meth? Why stop with weed?

Why, indeed?

Punish any crimes committed under the influence of drugs. But stop the foolish, freedom-threatening attempts to ban the drugs, themselves.

Yes. It means that many people will throw away their lives. So be it.

18 posted on 03/12/2014 3:39:36 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: NKP_Vet

and drugged up parents giving it to kids probably is too


19 posted on 03/12/2014 3:39:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: RedMonqey

I’m for it too, I don’t smoke the stuff, but have no problem with those that do, also I think conservatives ought to get out in front of legalization, it is inevitable, just as much as overturning prohibition.

Go ahead and hate me, but the writing is on the wall, wake up and smell the pot.../S


20 posted on 03/12/2014 3:39:49 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: NKP_Vet

That great conservative Bob Beckel is probably in favor of no-knock warrants for confiscating guns too.


21 posted on 03/12/2014 3:40:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I for one want all the wonderful benefits the War on (some) Drugs has brought us to continue.

/sarc


22 posted on 03/12/2014 3:40:40 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Pan_Yan

You know they only rationalized it once someone came up with projections on how much more taxes they would collect...


23 posted on 03/12/2014 3:41:33 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: PoloSec

I would rather die than support it


24 posted on 03/12/2014 3:41:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Other part of drug debate...

Buckley questioning Charles Rangel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-dtU_esJ8


25 posted on 03/12/2014 3:42:45 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: NKP_Vet

Driving while drugged arrests have gone up in Washington State since the state legalized the mind-numbing recreation drug. It will only get worse.
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I find that very hard to believe.

The ‘Fors’ in this debate said we need to pass this law to allow people to sit in the comfort of their home and smoke pot. They can’t relax if they are under threat of arrest if they go buy pot to take it home and smoke it. And why should those that have prescriptions for ‘medical(HA)’ MJ be shamed when they light up.

Of course you realize I am being very sarcastic here...


26 posted on 03/12/2014 3:43:34 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --"I would agree with you BUT that would make both of us wrong".)
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To: NKP_Vet

Y’know, I’ve never smoked pot, never even seen it, but I don’t quite get why people are so upset with this...isn’t it basically just like beer and whiskey?

Although, the prospect of your local Walmart selling marijuana cigarettes does seem bizarre!

Ed


27 posted on 03/12/2014 3:43:52 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: KoRn; ansel12; GeronL; Windflier; High-tech Redneck; lentulusgracchus; Liberty Valance
Anyone favoring drug prohibition should be intellectually honest and tell everyone how they also support alcohol prohibition.

I've been a lifelong member of the church of Christ (except for a few years in the early 60s when I strayed, went hard left and joined the NAACP -- but that's a whole 'nother thread in itself). Most of us in the church aren't too keen on the many of the vices, notably drinking alcoholic beverages, but we value freedom first and would never support prohibition. So, that's some personal background, and as non-drinker myself, I have no problem with beer, wine and even the hard liquor. It's legal and alcohol was enjoyed by many of the Founding Fathers.

That said, I draw the line at drugs, yes, including marijuana. Both Ronald and Nancy Reagan were supporters of the war on drugs. They were right. And, I think these pictures capture the significant difference between alcohol compared to drugs and the type of people who use them:

I've pinged a few FReepers that I often engage in dialog to get their viewpoints. They may or may not agree with me but I always find their viewpoints thoughtful on what's likely to be hot-button issue.

28 posted on 03/12/2014 3:44:57 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: LeoWindhorse
legalizing weed is a big mistake . Penalties should not be draconian because it is not that serious of an issue , but it is a social detriment . The biggest problem is that it tends to turn people into Liberal voting progressive airheads

Gee, you call people a bunch of names, support low IQ thugs dressed like ninjas and armed with sub-machine guns raiding their homes, and you wonder why they won't throw in with you and yours on election day. Yeah, I wouldn't have seen that kind of reaction coming. [/sarcasm]

29 posted on 03/12/2014 3:45:12 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: BfloGuy

How about the first time bust for driving while drugged your license is revoked forever. Of course do the same with booze.
I am sick and damn tired of some drunk and now some dope-smoking freak crossing the center line and killing a family of five, then goes to court and some shyster lawyer gets him off with vehicular manslaughter and probation. How about life in prison with no possibility of parole.


30 posted on 03/12/2014 3:45:28 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christin' raisin', an 8th grade education, ain't no need ya'll treatin' me this way")
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To: NKP_Vet

Pols are caught in a quandry:

Keep it illegal and still get their under-the-table shares they can deposit in their off-shore bank accounts,

or

Make it legal so they can tax it.


31 posted on 03/12/2014 3:47:29 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: re_nortex

intellectual honesty is something liberdopians do not understand. They talk about individual freedom just do not disagree or they will slime you and try to attribute other views to you.


32 posted on 03/12/2014 3:49:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NKP_Vet

I despise the phoneys on The 5...so glib, so with it, so condescending.

I watch Fat Ed. He’s a stinking liberal but at least he believes what he says.


33 posted on 03/12/2014 3:49:51 PM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: NKP_Vet

Just as I’d never vote for any candidate even slightly wobbly on homo-marriage, I’d never vote for any candidate supporting legalization of dope.


34 posted on 03/12/2014 3:50:05 PM PDT by greene66
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To: PoloSec
I’m for it too, I don’t smoke the stuff, but have no problem with those that do

My stand is let the states decide, as the Founding Fathers intended.

When I was a kid back in the seventies, nobody(myself included) had a problem getting pot, or alcohol as an underage teenager.

The WOD is an joke, those who wished to fry their brains out on their drug of chose did it, whether legal or not.
35 posted on 03/12/2014 3:50:20 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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To: Wolfie
I could see how Conservatives standing up for individual liberty instead of the Nanny State could be confusing.

Get enough dope in your system and you won't be standing up for anything.

Think it's good for you? Down a quart of Prestone. Sweet dreams, Toots.

36 posted on 03/12/2014 3:50:38 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Orangedog
Gee, you call people a bunch of names, support low IQ thugs dressed like ninjas ....

Gee, how was that "calling people names" thing again?

37 posted on 03/12/2014 3:51:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: NKP_Vet
How about life in prison with no possibility of parole.

That may be what it takes.

Look, I don't approve of drugs at all and I think they're a destroyer of society, but I've become disgusted [and fearful] at the loss of my own liberties because of the government's "war" against them. It hasn't worked but you and I are much less free because of it.

Only society can begin to reduce the drug problem. Government can't do it.

38 posted on 03/12/2014 3:54:06 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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I did say “ not draconian “
crack down on the Mex cartel types and leave the passive locals alone .
As I once heard a judge say “ people think of marijuana as a victimless crime , but they do not see the issue from my perspective ; almost always linked in with other more detrimental drugs , other crimes and particularly domestic violence .

Send SWAT after the cartels is fine .
By the way , have you ever smelled a big grow of chronic ?
Road-kill skunk or some decomposing dead thing . How about people all over the place generating the smell of burning tires in public? The smell of tobbacy ain’t nuthin compared with the smell of the other stuff .
Relegate it to old folks ( and others ) that are dying , and who won’t be voting for long .


39 posted on 03/12/2014 3:54:59 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: NKP_Vet

how about leave the penalty and the sentence , and the execution thereof , to the survivors or the victims relatives?


40 posted on 03/12/2014 3:57:07 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: GeronL
I would rather die than support it

Promise...?

41 posted on 03/12/2014 3:57:45 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: NKP_Vet
So am I. And I'm as conservative as conservative gets. Enforcing pot laws are a huge drain on our government. I hate our government, so if we can starve the beast I'm all for it. Because in the end WE pay for the enforcement.

Let personal choice, responsibility and the consequences that come with smoking/eating play out with Darwin's theory.

42 posted on 03/12/2014 4:03:44 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: RedMonqey

You know until just recently, I was like many other freepers dead set against marijuana, but since Colorado and Washington I decide to look intently into the issue, information on the history of cannabis, made me see how if it were not for gov’t control this issue would not even exist.


43 posted on 03/12/2014 4:05:11 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: LeoWindhorse

I have an idea : take all the confiscated high grade ganja and keep attaching it to balloons and float it to North Korea , Iran , Syria and any other place where it is desirable for the people to chill out , calm down and start developing ‘Liberal’ tendencies


44 posted on 03/12/2014 4:05:20 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: PoloSec

seriously ; it makes people vote Lib

is that a problem ?


45 posted on 03/12/2014 4:06:50 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: lentulusgracchus
Gee, how was that "calling people names" thing again?

Yeah, you're right...I should cozy up to these guys and fool myself into thinking they are the kind of "friends" I want to have around me.

46 posted on 03/12/2014 4:09:46 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: NKP_Vet

Since you seem so sure that supporting the Federal drug war is the only acceptable position for a conservative, perhaps you can point me out the section in the Constitution that authorizes it?

I’ve yet to see a single “conservative” drug warrior on FR that can answer that question.


47 posted on 03/12/2014 4:12:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Orangedog

Pols want it illegal so they can confiscate cars, cash, etc for a doob in the ash tray. It is all about the money.


48 posted on 03/12/2014 4:12:47 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: BfloGuy
Punish any crimes committed under the influence of drugs criminals. Fixed it for you. Some may remember what gov't IS instituted for: protecting our Liberty and Rights. Sad to see so few whom do NOT on this, supposed, (C) 'site.
49 posted on 03/12/2014 4:15:05 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: NKP_Vet

Cell phone use causes even more crashes. Obviously, banning cell phones is the only “conservative” thing to do, right?


50 posted on 03/12/2014 4:15:43 PM PDT by Boogieman
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