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Obama wants overtime pay for more salaried workers
AP ^ | 48 minutes ago | JIM KUHNHENN

Posted on 03/12/2014 4:39:44 PM PDT by Jean S

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To: CdMGuy

It’s not good enough for Obama to take away our insurance, now he wants our jobs too!


51 posted on 03/13/2014 11:30:21 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: OafOfOffice

Now the former Supervisors now Lead Men are eligible to join the union. Steelworkers have been after that as long as I can remember.


52 posted on 03/13/2014 12:24:39 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Norm Lenhart
It’s a lesser evil.

Yeah, Romney would have been just as bad......

/sarc

53 posted on 03/13/2014 12:43:05 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Jean S
Since President MomJeans doesn't know a thing about economics, it's quite obvious that he's somebody's Muppet on this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Muppets

Operation

The puppeteer, often dubbed as the "Muppet performer"or "Muppeteer", holds the Muppet above his head or in front of his body, with one hand operating the head and mouth and the other manipulating the hands and arms, either with two separate control rods or by "wearing" the hands like gloves. One consequence of this design is that most Muppets are left-handed as the puppeteer uses his right hand to operate the head while operating the arm rod with his left hand. There are many other common designs and means of operation. In advanced Muppets, several Muppeteers may control a single character; the performer who controls the mouth usually provides the voice for the character. As technology has evolved, the Jim Henson team and other puppeteers have developed an enormous variety of means to operate Muppets for film and television, including the use of suspended rigs, [TELEPROMPTERS], internal motors, remote radio control, and computer enhanced and superimposed images.

So, do you tell the Muppet to shut up, or do you tell the Muppeteer to shut up? A fascinating question...

54 posted on 03/13/2014 12:50:38 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Erik Latranyi

Wow...never heard that one before.


55 posted on 03/13/2014 2:34:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: MRadtke
He is desperate

Their maybe a talk show host who takes a disgronifyer to change his words too:

You didn't improve that

Yes he is trying to hang his hat on something that looks like improvement, this is a fubarment, on top off all his others.....

56 posted on 03/13/2014 3:53:47 PM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Jean S

How can any President simply declare a wage increase for millions of workers?

Good God, this country reminds me more and more of Argentina or Bolivia every day.


57 posted on 03/13/2014 10:39:32 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Jean S

Buying more votes.

Desperation is setting in.


58 posted on 03/13/2014 10:49:05 PM PDT by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: Jean S

Yikes, I just read in the newspaper this morning that it was 960ish a week and under. Anybody making under 500 a week and in a supervisory position better be making sure they aren’t exempt - if they don’t, it’s their own fault for negotiating horrible conditions for that low of a salary and to also be exempt from overtime..


59 posted on 03/13/2014 10:53:32 PM PDT by jurroppi1 (The only thing you "pass to see what's in it" is a stool sample. h/t MrB)
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To: logic101.net

“A “salaried job” has a distinct definition. For one thing they don’t punch a clock. For another, in many cases their lunch is “paid” if you go by an 8 hr day (i.e. 9-5 with an hour lunch is only 7 hrs).”

I don’t know if it is a generational gap (I’m in my mid-40s), but the 9-5 jobs are disappearing (and have been for some time). 9 to 5 has been replaced with 8:30 to 5:00 for many “salaried” people, and this started decades ago (and is one reason why I have no problem with an overhaul of the current system). “Salaried” has simply become a way for a company to squeeze the work of five out or four people cheaply; anyone who has consistently been forced to work unpaid overtime would understand. I got an extra raise when I first became a supervisor because I could make the case in numbers that I would have been better off under the previous salary arrangement, and have had countless others say the same. I work with “supervisors” and “managers” with no staff just to eliminate overtime pay; it is a regression to ten hour workdays six days a week. Anyone who says “switch jobs” is oversimplifying it; they are among the few who feel compensated fairly (for the record, I have been compensated fairly since I stopped working unpaid overtime). Once the abuse is systemic, then few jobs offer shelter from it.

When the employers hold all the cards, the workers simply vote for Obamunism. While misguided and destructive, you will never convince them to do otherwise.


60 posted on 03/14/2014 3:52:15 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: redgolum

“I have done jobs typically done by hourly people, in order for the company to save money on overtime. I also left those companies, but they continue the same practice.”

I agree; with the globalization of our economy, companies will push as hard as they can, and workers have little recourse. If the Republicans don’t address that angst, we can expect Dem presidents from this day forward.


61 posted on 03/14/2014 3:54:31 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2; redgolum

The solution for businesses is simple. Remove all the tasks from the current salaried workers that can be removed. Give those tasks to hourly workers. Ensure your salaried workers have 39 hours a week only, and see if you need to cut one or two of those back to hourly.

A business must have cash exceeding costs for the owners (that includes stockholders if applicable) to receive their salaries out of, and for expansion/renovation/competitiveness to be financed.

Exactly why is it fair to cut into the owners’ salaries? They are not there running a jobs charity organization.


62 posted on 03/14/2014 6:05:12 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: JSDude1
"This guy is just determined to keep people in poverty"

Dimocraps NEED poverty in much the same way that policemen need crime.....

63 posted on 03/14/2014 6:16:09 AM PDT by unread (Rescind the 17th. Amendment...bring the power BACK to the states...!)
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To: xzins
If forced to do so, they most likely reaction would be to remove the salaried workers.

One company I worked openly stated that they hired young engineers because they were cheaper than hourly workers.

64 posted on 03/14/2014 6:22:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
hired young engineers because they were cheaper than hourly workers.

I believe that. I worked for one place where they hired 2 for the same job and then just let them fight it out. AND told them that's what they were doing.

65 posted on 03/14/2014 6:26:02 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: PGR88

Because apparently no one has “standing” to take him to court to stop him!

and apparently the congress is to afraid of his blackness to attempt to stop him from taking all their power.


66 posted on 03/14/2014 6:48:24 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: CdMGuy

It will result in more part time jobs which will lower the unemployment rate, but are lower paying, and do not have benefits.

Win for Obama and the communists, Fail for everyone else.


67 posted on 03/14/2014 8:07:59 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Jean S
The GOP might be throwing grandma and grandpa over the cliff, but the demonrat(democrat)party is throwing the whole family over the cliff so that there might become a tyrant government.

I do the best I can with my malfunctioned brain after I died and came back to life. No more republicrap or demonrat party for me. I'm going with the teaparty conservatives and hope and pray they will throw the tea in the harbor.

68 posted on 03/14/2014 11:43:36 AM PDT by TEARUNNER14 (I rather have JESUS than all the gold or silver this world offers.)
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To: Jean S

More tax dollars funneled thru venal unions to the Rats...


69 posted on 03/14/2014 7:32:43 PM PDT by 4Liberty (Optimal institutions - optimal economy.)
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To: Retired Chemist
I was an exempt employee most of my life and never worried about working extra hours because my employers gave me comp time which came in handy when I needed to handle personal errands on business days.

Same here... I can't imagine the complications a law like this would make.

I often worked weekends, holidays, and made several trips to Argentina, Mexico City, London, etc... sometimes make a trip to do one day's work there. Do you have to get overtime for sitting on planes for 20 hours for a trip?

70 posted on 03/14/2014 8:01:21 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Salaried workers don’t punch a time clock. So how does this overtime work? OR is it a big sloppy kiss to all Federal Workers?


71 posted on 03/14/2014 8:23:06 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: Jean S

Are these the same federal workers he put on furlough?


72 posted on 03/14/2014 8:27:17 PM PDT by tioga
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To: xzins

“Exactly why is it fair to cut into the owners’ salaries? They are not there running a jobs charity organization.”

I understand that, but they are bound by the laws of the land (which many of them have used as justification to move jobs overseas). Many FReepers think people have stopped working because the freebies have become too generous, but that is only half the picture; on the flip side, for many people the fruits of their labor generate so little income that their standard of living isn’t very different of they stop working altogether. The supply & demand of labor has been skewed in the employers’ favor by two factors that can’t be ignored: the employers often have the option of sending work to countries with larger, unemployed populations (driving those wages significantly lower), and they also have access to massive waves of immigrant workers into this country (stripping American workers of any bargaining position for salaries of jobs that remain in this country). The latter has gradually shifted from unskilled work to white collar professions as well; I recently dealt with a group of three young consultants that included one American, a Canadian, and a Filipino (the latter two here on work visas). They were doing work for which there was no shortage of American workers, and their firm had somehow found a way to get foreign workers instead.


73 posted on 03/15/2014 4:02:43 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jean S

Confiscation of Retirement Accounts

So, what happens if you’re not willing to invest in Obama’s MyRa? How does the government get the funding it needs to continue financing and growing the debt? The answer: FORCE you to make your retirement funds accessible to the government.

If you do some research on US Bill “HB5337,” you will find the plan to nationalize retirement wealth. On May 6, 2012 Lauren Schmitz, a research analyst at the Bernard L Schwartz Center for Economic Analyst (SCEPA), introduced HB5337. This 401(k)/IRA de-privatization is the brainchild of Teresa Ghilarducci, whom through funding from the White House and the Ford & Rockefeller Foundations engineered a new “Regulatory & Tax Incentive.” The purpose is to force Americans to convert their Retirement Accounts into Government Managed accounts.

The government will nationalize retirement accounts like IRAs, 401Ks, pensions, 403Bs, etc. so that you will be forced to use a portion of your retirement wealth to purchase U.S. government debt – debt that will ultimately default, as it is not possible to sustain our astronomical debt nor the deficits that create it.

This plan to nationalize private 401K and IRA retirement accounts is being deceptively publicized as the government protecting the public against business failings or state bankruptcies. But the reality is, your cash, your retirement funds, your bank deposits and your investments are at huge risk of being confiscated by the government through some contrived reason or another.


74 posted on 03/15/2014 8:26:20 PM PDT by devolve (- Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: Jean S
Not only is this a "vote buyer" for those who will likely be eliminated should it go into effect, it is aimed at all those Gee Esses out there.

Sooner or later, he'll be after us day-rate folks...

75 posted on 03/16/2014 5:01:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cvengr
It also explains why he takes so many vacations and golf outings, without any conscience about the travel costs.

Nah...He be livin' large and gettin' over on da man.

76 posted on 03/16/2014 5:05:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cementjungle
Do you have to get overtime for sitting on planes for 20 hours for a trip?

If I had to sit on a plane for work purposes, I would be damn sure to be paid for every minute of it. I'm not there for my pleasure or my health.

77 posted on 03/16/2014 5:18:46 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: Jean S

Currently management can avoid paying you overtime if your duties are “executive” (i.e. supervisory) and if you make more than $455 per week.

How much this impacts employers will certainly depend on what benchmark they raise the bar too...

I would guess a vast majority of “exempt” worker already make more than $455 a week...that’s $23,600 annually...not much for a supervisor type position...

If they are making $23,600 a year, then they are being abused by being exempt...if they are made to work more than 40 hours...without comp time...

$455.00 a week for 40 hours is $11.38 an hour...add on any more hours and they are dipping down to the mid $8.00 a hour...

When I had “exempt” employees, they all make between 35K and 38K a year...that was almost 8 years ago...

My guess this is more about paying off some of his union thugs...their contracts are probably benchmarked against what a “exempt” supervisor non-union employees makes...

I think it may be a first for me, but I actually agree with Obama on this...if the new benchmark isn’t a ridiculous amount...

Of course I don’t agree on his methods, but his premise I think is correct...


78 posted on 03/16/2014 7:53:18 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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