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Missing Airplane Flew On for Hours
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 12:50 a.m. EDT Thursday, March 13, 2014 | Andy Pasztor

Posted on 03/12/2014 10:17:35 PM PDT by kristinn

Engine Data Suggest Malaysia Flight Was Airborne Long After Radar Disappearance, U.S. Investigators Say

Updated March 13, 2014 12:50 a.m. ET

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours...

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flight370; iran; malaysia; malaysiaairlines; mh370; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/12/2014 10:17:35 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Well shoot, I'm not gonna sign up to the WSJ.

Does the article say how they KNOW this information?

In 4hrs they could have flown nearly 2500 miles.

2 posted on 03/12/2014 10:21:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: kristinn

How do they know this? How can they know this? Unless they’re going off the Malaysian military radar. the transponder was switched off, so we have no idea if it blew up a minute later, or flew for hours.

If the plane did fly on for hours (and again, I don’t know how they could know this, since WSJ requires subscription), then the debris on the satellite image is a wild goose chase.


3 posted on 03/12/2014 10:23:51 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: kristinn

Sooooo where does that end them up??? Iran?


4 posted on 03/12/2014 10:24:37 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Mariner

I read in another article on Fox News that they got this information from Boeing. Apparently the engines on the plane send data to Boeing electronically.


5 posted on 03/12/2014 10:25:09 PM PDT by virgil
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To: kristinn

+4 hr @ 600 mi/hr -—> 1,000’s of miles.


6 posted on 03/12/2014 10:25:43 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: virgil
"Apparently the engines on the plane send data to Boeing electronically"

At least someone has a modern tracking system.

7 posted on 03/12/2014 10:27:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Mariner

The engine data is automatically being sent to Rolls Royce and Boeing.


8 posted on 03/12/2014 10:28:24 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Viennacon

I googled “Engine Data, Malaysia Flight” and saw lots of breaking news about the airline receiving data from the engines. There were a few stories that mentioned the 4 to 5 hours flying after vanishing in some of the sumaries but the ones I saw quoted the WSJ.


9 posted on 03/12/2014 10:28:26 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: All
Wall Street Journal reporter Aerospace and Boeing beat reporter Jon Ostrower adds more via Twitter:

Investigators pursuing notion the 777 was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose." http://on.wsj.com/1lYx08l #MH370

A flight time of four additional hours after the 777 disappeared means #MH370 could have flown on for about 2,200nm http://on.wsj.com/1lYx08l

How far is 2,200nm is from #MH370's last known location? That would get the 777 as far as the India-Pakistan border. http://on.wsj.com/1lYx08l

If it wasn't true, it would read like bad fiction.

10 posted on 03/12/2014 10:28:30 PM PDT by kristinn (Welcome to the Soviet States of Obama)
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To: kristinn

My post on another thread three days ago:

My non-conspiracy theory is that of a similar fate to golfer Payne Stewart’s private jet crash in 1999. They lost cabin pressure and all passed out, but the plane flew for 1500 more miles before crashing in North Dakota.

It was not known why they lost pressure, but it was surmised it was so fast they did not have time to put on 02 masks.

So maybe a small meteor or some space object hit the plane and it was suddenly depressurized but kept flying itself, out of radar range, somewhere in the Pacific, until crashing.


11 posted on 03/12/2014 10:29:01 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: tsowellfan

Well, then the debris is a red herring. The plane cannot have flown on for several hours, and the debris from a crash end up back in that place, unless they doubled back to the exact location. None of it makes sense.


12 posted on 03/12/2014 10:29:33 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: easternsky

I keep having the suspicion that the plane was stolen. But then there is the photo taken by a passenger in another plane that was nearby that looks like a plane on fire and also several people reported a huge noise - but not sure where that was in relation to where the plane ought to be.


13 posted on 03/12/2014 10:29:48 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: kristinn
More here: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/missing-malaysia-jet-may-have-flown-on-for-hours-2014-03-13?link=MW_latest_news
14 posted on 03/12/2014 10:30:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Mariner

I think it was taken...for the talented tech on board.

Who would want the smallest chip in the world manufacturing staff?

who can cloak?

who can refuel in air...cloaked.

who steals tech. without regret at the national level?

Sure is interesting.

Anyone have a line on exactly what they had?


15 posted on 03/12/2014 10:30:31 PM PDT by Therapsid
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To: Paladin2

Yeah. It would have helped if the Chinese had told Malaysia about the suspected debris sooner. When I saw those photos, I thought they’d found it. If the engines had run for another 4 hours, then, they went pretty far. Farther than what the map is showing. This is all so strange.


16 posted on 03/12/2014 10:30:50 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Viennacon

the debris is a red herring


Yup

http://www.thanhniennews.com/world/search-planes-checking-china-satellite-report-on-missing-airliner-24577.html


17 posted on 03/12/2014 10:31:49 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: kristinn

Bump


18 posted on 03/12/2014 10:32:11 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Paladin2

“+4 hr @ 600 mi/hr -—> 1,000’s of miles.”

To stay below 18,000’ with the transponder off the airspeed would probably be under 300 mph.

If they were over 18,000 with no transponder would have set off ATC everywhere they flew and would have had intercepter jets after it.


19 posted on 03/12/2014 10:33:04 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ElkGroveDan

Then why were the transponders off? Why did it disappear from radar?


20 posted on 03/12/2014 10:33:06 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: virgil

Why has Boeing been so quiet about their data for so many daze?


21 posted on 03/12/2014 10:33:20 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: dalereed

Then it’s a conspiratorial situation where the re-directors were knowledgeable (aka Flight Crew?).


22 posted on 03/12/2014 10:35:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Solson; virgil
So if this plane flew 4hrs after contact was lost, it was almost certainly hijacked.

And, it may have landed safely somewhere.

But, not demands? Is it now nothing but a bomb?

Or, did passengers and crew sacrifice themselves to keep it from being used as a bomb? This is going to be one hell of a story.

23 posted on 03/12/2014 10:35:21 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Aria

Someone shut them off. As for radar, it didn’t disappear. The Malaysian military was capturing glimpses of it flying off the other way


24 posted on 03/12/2014 10:35:21 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

That plane is likely on one of those islands somewhere, in some secret hangar.


25 posted on 03/12/2014 10:35:36 PM PDT by Rca2000
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To: ElkGroveDan

So then the plane is probably stolen.


26 posted on 03/12/2014 10:36:26 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Mariner
Does the article say how they KNOW this information?

Telemetry downloads from the airplane's engines to their manufacturer, Rolls Royce, continued for five hours after takeoff. The transponder stopped transponding 41 minutes in.

27 posted on 03/12/2014 10:36:28 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Rennes Templar

So why did the transponder stop sending data? If on automatic, why not just follow the vector to the end of the time the engines stopped sending?


28 posted on 03/12/2014 10:36:32 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Paladin2

I think there is a lot more ,a whole lot of people are quite about


29 posted on 03/12/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Paladin2
Unless it was hijacked and the hijackers were experienced pilots.
30 posted on 03/12/2014 10:38:08 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Viennacon
Well, then the debris is a red herring. The plane cannot have flown on for several hours, and the debris from a crash end up back in that place, unless they doubled back to the exact location. None of it makes sense.

Never mind Waldo, this is more like

Where in the World is Carmen SanDiego?

31 posted on 03/12/2014 10:38:39 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: txhurl; nuconvert

Pingaroo.


32 posted on 03/12/2014 10:40:33 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: kristinn

33 posted on 03/12/2014 10:41:02 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dalereed
If they were over 18,000 with no transponder would have set off ATC everywhere they flew and would have had intercepter jets after it.

Does the Indian Ocean care about Class A airspace?

34 posted on 03/12/2014 10:41:48 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: easternsky
"I think there is a lot more ,a whole lot of people are quite about"

I have wondered why the 50's of US TLA's haven't coughed up what they know or don't know.

No info, No future budget.

35 posted on 03/12/2014 10:41:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: easternsky

“Sooooo where does that end them up??? Iran?”

You’re reading my mind. Like to see a map with the final fix as the locus, and see where 4 hours gets you


36 posted on 03/12/2014 10:44:48 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: cynwoody
Telemetry downloads from the airplane's engines to their manufacturer, Rolls Royce, continued for five hours after takeoff.

Then someone should know, at least roughly, where the plane. They are just not saying so as not to alert malfeasors.

37 posted on 03/12/2014 10:46:15 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Mariner
Here's what I found on the data. Malaysian plane sent out engine data before vanishing

The missing Malaysia Airlines jet sent at least two bursts of technical data back to the airline before it disappeared, New Scientist has learned.

..................This would suggest no concrete data is to hand. But New Scientist understands that the maker of the missing Boeing 777's Trent 800 engines, Rolls Royce, received two data reports from flight MH370 at its global engine health monitoring centre in Derby, UK, where it keeps real-time tabs on its engines in use. One was broadcast as MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the other during the 777's climb out towards Beijing.

As the engine data is filtered from a larger ACARS report covering all the plane's critical flight systems and avionics, it could mean the airline has some useful clues about the condition of the aircraft prior to its disappearance. The plane does not appear to have been cruising long enough to issue any more ACARS reports. It disappeared from radar at 1.30 AM local time, halfway between Malaysia and Vietnam over the Gulf of Thailand.
...............
38 posted on 03/12/2014 10:46:23 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: kristinn

Bookmark.


39 posted on 03/12/2014 10:46:32 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: cynwoody

It applies world wide.

No transponder I think they flew
vfr under FL18 and didn’t set off any alarms.


40 posted on 03/12/2014 10:46:36 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Rennes Templar

Hmm, interesting. Plausible.


41 posted on 03/12/2014 10:47:21 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Mariner

At least for the moment, we’re back to piracy theories again. I would hate to think the passengers become hostages, and then be packed into the plane again to experience the same fate as the 9/11 passengers. Pray.


42 posted on 03/12/2014 10:49:25 PM PDT by virgil
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To: dalereed

Not if they were over the Indian Ocean.


43 posted on 03/12/2014 10:52:43 PM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF USA CITIZEN PARENTS)
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To: Girlene

“Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777’s engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program. “...


44 posted on 03/12/2014 10:53:37 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Mariner

Well shoot, I’m not gonna sign up to the WSJ. Does the article say how they KNOW this information?

*******************************************
Quote from the article:

“Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777’s engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.”

Side note .... if you copy the title of the article and paste it in your browser, the search will bring up links to the article where you don’t need a subscription. I saw another FReeper mention this recently & so far, it’s worked like a charm! :-)


45 posted on 03/12/2014 10:54:55 PM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: dalereed
It applies world wide.

That's fine and dandy, but who in the vicinity would care?

Diego Garcia perhaps? Or maybe the Seychelles, fearing a planeload of tourists had got lost?

46 posted on 03/12/2014 10:55:00 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Paladin2

Common Core?


47 posted on 03/12/2014 10:55:58 PM PDT by Bronzewound (Lost Hope & Loose Change)
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To: Kennard

Rolls-Royce only got 2 data packets from the “ACARS” system...one during take-off & one during climb out. The “flew on for 4 or 5 hours” claim must be based on something else.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25201-malaysian-plane-sent-out-engine-data-before-vanishing.html#.UyFH0dxaREw

and

http://www.vice.com/read/how-does-a-plane-dissapear-martin-robbins-mh370-malaysia-airlines


48 posted on 03/12/2014 10:56:12 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Paladin2
Why has Boeing been so quiet about their data for so many daze?

Well, it's Malaysia that's been coordinating the search. They obviously don't do this kind of stuff often and they have to work with so many foreign entities. Maybe that's why. Or maybe nobody trusts the other. Otherwise, I don't know the answer.

49 posted on 03/12/2014 10:56:40 PM PDT by virgil
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To: kristinn

Finally, information from US investigators.

I'm sick of these foreigners with their lousy misinformation and cleansed spy satellite photos 3 days late.


50 posted on 03/12/2014 10:56:45 PM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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