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Did Flight 370 continue for four more hours in flight?
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Posted on 03/13/2014 11:13:25 AM PDT by chessplayer

The search for missing Malaysia Air Flight 370 may become a lot more complicated, if a new theory by American investigators turns out to be true. At first, the assumption was that the flight ended when the transponders stopped communicating; then military radar suggested the plane may have turned back and reached the other side of the Malaysian peninsula. Now data from engine transmissions to maintenance databases suggest the plane remained in operation for four hours after its last confirmed transmission — which makes the potential search range all but endless:


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KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
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They might as well end the search. There aren't enough planes and ships in the world to adequately search an area that large.
1 posted on 03/13/2014 11:13:25 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

2,200 miles


2 posted on 03/13/2014 11:15:34 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

...and just think of all the Fuel burned by the Planes & Ships trying to find the Airplane!!

Shhhhhhh... don’t tell the Greenies, they’ll make the search stop for Climate Change’s sake!!

/sarc


3 posted on 03/13/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: no-to-illegals
Family members have already said that cell phones are working but go unanswered. Isn't it possible that just one of those phones have the GPS enabled?
4 posted on 03/13/2014 11:18:21 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

Yes


5 posted on 03/13/2014 11:20:05 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: The_Victor

I heard the problem in that area is that advanced technology like gps on phones just don’t work. They use more WWII IRF technology and the recent sun-spots we got hit with may have caused them a problem.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 11:21:24 AM PDT by edcoil (Realism is only a socially accepted form of pessimism)
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To: no-to-illegals
They were hijacked and were on their way to Somalia and didn't make it all the way. Or they're in Shri Lanka or the Maldives.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 11:21:43 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Nothing is impossible thus I agree.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 11:22:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

This engine database thing is interesting. I wonder if it’s a satellite based system, which is non-directional. Also, if the databases have info, they may indicate engine operating parameters (RPM, fuel consumption), which my indicate some minimal information about flight conditions.


9 posted on 03/13/2014 11:28:54 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: no-to-illegals

Maybe it made it to Somalia...

Distance between Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and Mogadishu, Somalia

6266 km = 3894 miles

Boeing 777-200ER
Maximum Range

7,725 nautical miles
(14,305 km)
Typical city pairs:
London - Los Angeles
Tokyo - Sydney
Chicago - Seoul


10 posted on 03/13/2014 11:31:27 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Does either of those islands have a landing strip long enough to handle a 777?


11 posted on 03/13/2014 11:31:38 AM PDT by Dog (Founding member of the Osama Bin Laden was alive the whole time club..)
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To: no-to-illegals

What do we actually have in Diego Garcia? I believe it is located about center on the above map to the WORDS “Seychelles” and “Andaman and Nikobar Islands”?


12 posted on 03/13/2014 11:32:09 AM PDT by bunster
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To: The_Victor

Folks — *IF* passengers’ cell phones and smart phones were/are still operating, then the GSM/CDMA NETWORK by itself can locate them to a CPE no larger than 1KM. That presumes of course they are in range of a compatible tower or three.

The GPS capability is not magic technology. It’s not needed to find a device, it just reduces the search radius.

The most discrete location services are good to a radius of about 9 metres on average. That’s LIS-hybrid.

But the device has to be enabled, has to be on, and has to be in range of a compatible cellular network and maybe a Wi-Fi AP or two.

The ‘ring’ these people hear when they call their relatives’ devices is not actually the ‘phone’ ringing, it is a network generated tone to tell the caller that the network is working to terminate that call on the called device.

In the US, generally if you call a device that is off, you’ll go straight to voice mail. Internationally, the network ring will start even as the ‘cloud’ tries to locate the device on various roaming networks.

Don’t buy into this crap.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 11:32:44 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: jimbo123

refuel ... ?


14 posted on 03/13/2014 11:32:55 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Dog

Some of us have hypothesized that the pilot had a 777 flight sim in his HOUSE to practice short landing and takeoff. Like this:

http://www.bellenews.com/2013/11/21/world/us-news/boeing-747-dreamlifter-cargo-lands-at-wrong-airport-in-kansas/

And it took off successfully as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swTjsxM7WW4


15 posted on 03/13/2014 11:33:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: The_Victor; no-to-illegals; jimbo123
I fully believe that the fate and location of 360 are known and have been known. There are surely political problems and problems of political correctness that must be addressed before the AC can be "found," I think. It will NOT be attributed to Jihad unless one of the parties, such as China, announces that and then there will be a lot of minimizing and calling it a one off crazy man's act. Or, it did land somewhere and no one is saying anything about that until a rescue operation is mounted.
If it, indeed, continued to fly then surely satellites picked that up and the flight path is known.
16 posted on 03/13/2014 11:36:14 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: bunster

It’s all right ... I do not know. Not pretending ...


17 posted on 03/13/2014 11:36:22 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

Past FR link from 2005:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486262/posts

Did this 777 have a bad history from 2005? read the attached link.

http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2005/aair/aair200503722.aspx

In-flight upset; Boeing 777-200, 9M-MRG,

PILOTS on a Boeing 777 from Perth to Kuala Lumpur battled to gain control of the plane last month after an unknown computer error caused the aircraft to pitch violently and brought it close to stalling.

A flight attendant dropped a tray of drinks and another began praying as the Malaysian Airlines pilots fought to counter false information being fed into the aircraft’s autopilot system and primary flight display.

The glitch prompted plane manufacturer Boeing to issue a global notice to all 777 operators alerting them to the problem.

Flight MH124 was about an hour out of Perth when the aircraft began behaving erratically. The incorrect data from a supposedly fail-safe device caused the plane to pitch up and climb 3000ft (914m), cutting its indicated airspeed from 500km/h to 292km/h and activating a stall warning and a “stickshaker”.

A stickshaker vibrates the aircraft’s controls to warn the pilot he is approaching a speed at which the plane will have insufficient lift to keep flying


18 posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:17 AM PDT by ncfool (Obama's aMeriKa 2012 The land of entitlement for the 51% crowd.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Nothing is impossible thus I agree.

If that's the case, the plane took an elevator to Neptune.

19 posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:18 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (http://thegatwickview.tumblr.com/ http://thepurginglutheran.tumblr.com/)
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Yes, that map keeps changing.


20 posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:56 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

If it did then it had to have help from one or both of the pilots. They would have known how to turn off the transponder and make the plane disappear electronically.


21 posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

How elaborate was that simulator?


22 posted on 03/13/2014 11:40:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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49,000+ does not looking out of the question.


23 posted on 03/13/2014 11:43:14 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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We don’t know ... so we don’t talk to much about it.


24 posted on 03/13/2014 11:44:11 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Simulator photo

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/555515-zaharie-ahmad-shah-fariq-abdul-hamid-pilots-on-missing-mh370-flight-who-are-they/


25 posted on 03/13/2014 11:46:35 AM PDT by jimbo123
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I was talking with a friend of mine and he said, *It’s cuts, cut deep and we go down to size.*


26 posted on 03/13/2014 11:47:49 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

Planes carry enough fuel to reach their primary airport plus two alternatives; at night an extra 45 minutes of flight time plus the alternatives. No reason to burn fuel to carry fuel. With that in mind, what would have been the maximum range the plane could have flown? Without looking back for information I think I remember it was a 777-200ER (ER= extended range) - so you still have to calculate the fuel load and how far it could have gone. Then of course where. If it was a hijack at the very least a 12,000ft rwy somewhere in a jungle had to have been built and those are very distinctive even being carved out of dirt.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 11:49:08 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice.)
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To: jimbo123

Tail Gate?


28 posted on 03/13/2014 11:49:41 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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I sense broken glass.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 11:52:50 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: chessplayer

This was also intriguing, from Drudge last night:

“In yet another twist to the mystery of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, a New Zealand oil rig worker has come forward to say he believes he saw the airplane on fire right around the time it disappeared.

Mike McKay, a worker on the “Songa Mercur” drilling platform in the South China Sea, sent an email to his bosses detailing his version of events.
He said he “observed the plane burning at high altitude...in one piece” about 50-70km from his location, Business Insider reported.
He gave coordinates for the location of the rig, which recently moved from Cuba to the shores of Vietnam.
McKay’s employer confirms that the letter, posted online by several news outlets on Thursday, is authentic.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/13/Missing-MH370-Oil-Rig-Worker/


30 posted on 03/13/2014 11:54:03 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Here’s some info:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2014/03/13/aircraft-engine-monitoring-how-it-works-and-how-it-could-help-malaysia-air-370-crash-investigtors/

My SIL works in engineering for RR but he hasn’t responded today to my request for a briefing...


31 posted on 03/13/2014 11:57:45 AM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: The_Victor

Isn’t it possible that just one of those phones have the GPS enabled?


If the phone is receiving a signal, a tower is logging where it is. The tower is, at the very least, logging that it is the one being pinged by the phone. If three towers are getting any ping at all, the phone company knows where the phone is within a few feet.


32 posted on 03/13/2014 11:59:02 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Bon of Babble

Yesterday another FReeper posted a link to a website that showed the drill rig with that name to be located in the Caribbean. Wonder how that all synchs up?


33 posted on 03/13/2014 11:59:11 AM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: nascarnation

the waiting is the hardest part.


34 posted on 03/13/2014 11:59:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: nascarnation
It's getting curiouser and curiouser!

That's one hell of a sick prank if the guy was, indeed, located in the Caribbean - the report said the drilling rig is portable and has been towed around, but lately it had been off the Vietnamese coast, the employer confirms this:

Drudge still has the link up:

McKay's employer confirms that the letter, posted online by several news outlets on Thursday, is authentic.

McKay, who carries a New Zealand passport, said that he tried to contact Malaysian and Vietnam officials about what he saw "several days ago", adding that he had received no confirmation that they got his message.

"I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right," McKay said in the email.

"I observed (the plane?) burning at high altitude.

"While I observed the burning (plane) it appeared to be in ONE piece." "From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds.

“There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary (falling) or going away from our location," he wrote. Vietnamese officials confirmed to ABC News that they had received the letter. But they found nothing in the water at the location specified by McKay.

Given the apparent location of the rig, and the original flight path of MH370, it is possible that McKay is correct, the report said.

I tend to believe what another poster said: They already know where it is...

35 posted on 03/13/2014 12:06:31 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (Don't want to brag...but I can still fit into the earrings I wore in high school!!)
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To: The_Victor
Family members have already said that cell phones are working but go unanswered. Isn't it possible that just one of those phones have the GPS enabled?

Obviously, they're wrong.

If family members were right, however, GPS would be irrelevant, since the phones would have to be close to the tower with which they registered. And this mystery would be long over, assuming the telco knows where its towers are.

36 posted on 03/13/2014 12:07:29 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Blueflag

When my wife’s phone is turned off or she is not in range of a tower, a call to her phone goes directly to voice mail. If I get a ring, it means he phone is attached to the system “somewhere”. BTW, I used to work for Law Enforcement Relations with one of the big Cell companies based in Seattle that likes Magenta. But that’s all I’m saying...

And yes, when visiting our offices that had the capability, they were able to pinpoint the phone in my pocket to within less than ten feet.


37 posted on 03/13/2014 12:08:37 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

GPS


38 posted on 03/13/2014 12:11:50 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

GPS


Not in this case. I turned it off. The whole reason we were doing it was they were demonstrating for me just how accurate the triangulation can get. I was impressed.


39 posted on 03/13/2014 12:13:12 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

It was a beautiful day.


40 posted on 03/13/2014 12:14:26 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: cuban leaf

Guess we shouldn’t pick up what is ours?


41 posted on 03/13/2014 12:16:36 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Black Agnes
Some of us have hypothesized that the pilot had a 777 flight sim in his HOUSE

No need to hypothesize. Here's a photo of it:

Quoth AirDailyX.net:

Being that AirDailyX is a flight simulation based website, I thought I would share that MH370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a very big flight simulation enthusiast with a set up so nice, it would make many of us jealous. It's always a bit warm to the heart to see real world commercial pilots enjoy the hobby we all so dearly love.

42 posted on 03/13/2014 12:16:50 PM PDT by cynwoody
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Someone really needs to get at that simulator, and see exactly WHAT he has been simulating... I hate to blame anyone for loving aviation, because its my hobby as well. But who else could possibly disappear and fly four hours undetected better than someone who EVERYONE admits new the plane inside out...


43 posted on 03/13/2014 12:17:51 PM PDT by uncle fenders
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To: cynwoody

Thank You. Do we know if radar was involved?


44 posted on 03/13/2014 12:18:07 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: cynwoody

Interesting.

Love to know what data concerning his ‘practice’ activities the authorities got from that setup.


45 posted on 03/13/2014 12:18:41 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

What and question the good girls? Think that is done ...


46 posted on 03/13/2014 12:21:00 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
This engine database thing is interesting. I wonder if it’s a satellite based system, which is non-directional. Also, if the databases have info, they may indicate engine operating parameters (RPM, fuel consumption), which my indicate some minimal information about flight conditions.

Reportedly, it uploads engine performance data over a satellite link every thirty minutes, probably including air speed and altitude, but, alas, not lat/lon nor heading.

47 posted on 03/13/2014 12:23:41 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Yes, we only know what goes up, must come down.


48 posted on 03/13/2014 12:25:48 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: cynwoody

Here’s a link:

http://www.rolls-royce.com/about/technology/systems_tech/monitoring_systems.jsp

My SIL works for RR aircraft engine engineering.

I’ve requested a briefing but he’s “busy” currently.


49 posted on 03/13/2014 12:27:33 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Thank You. Do we know if radar was involved?

The photo is of a high-end hobby setup. Less capable than the professional simulators pilots train on, but still pretty neat.

To me, it indicates Captain Shah was gung-ho about his profession, not that he was into anything nefarious.

50 posted on 03/13/2014 12:27:50 PM PDT by cynwoody
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