Skip to comments.US Officials Have 'Indication' Malaysia Airline Crashed into Indian Ocean
Posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:06 AM PDT by mandaladon
U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.
It will take another 24 hours to move the ship into position, a senior Pentagon official told ABC News. "We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior official said. The official said there were indications that the plane flew four or five hours after disappearing from radar and that they believe it went into the water.
Pentagon officials said that the USS Kidd was being moved at the request of Malaysia and is heading towards an area where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meet. It has helicopters aboard that can scour the area.
The U.S. action came hours after Malaysian officials said they had extended their search into the Andaman Sea and had requested help from India in the search for the missing plane and its 239 passengers.
Investigators also said today that U.S. officials gave them reasons to keep searching the waters west of Malaysia, far from the flight path of the Malaysia Airlines plane.
Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that the searchs main focus has always been in the South China Sea, which is east of Malaysia and along the planes route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
But the search was extended earlier this week to include water far to the west on the other side of Malaysia. We are working very closely with the FAA and the NTSB on the issue of a possible air turn back, Hishammuddin said, referring to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and National Transportation Safety Board.
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They can have planes there in no time to at least get pictures.
If it was not a terrorism incident, what possibly could have happened to the aircraft, crew and passengers? Sudden decompression? Poisonous gas in the cabin? It looks like the incident a few years back when that pro-golfer’s jet flew for hours before crashing in the Dakotas(?) because the crew and passengers were all unconscious or dead from sudden decompression..........
Sounds like the aircraft did a Payne Stewart.
USS Kidd is a destroyer. Do we also have a carrier group in the area?
I know next to nothing about aviation, but am wondering if it is possible that an electrical or computer malfunction (or a computer system virus?) could result in shutting down the transponder and the navigation systems and leave the crew confused as to where they were? If this were the case, why wouldn’t communications work? I would think that if they flew for several additional hours (as per the automatic updates communicated from the Rolls Royce engines) they would have tried to contact someone regarding their actual position.
This is dragging out so long, they must be having trouble thinking up a cover story.
Yes, I know its a Destroyer. :-)
Planes can be scrambled from a Base(s) that’s the closest to help verify.
God Bless the Souls.
Payne Stewart..I remember that, sad.
His plane flew 1400 miles on autopilot before ran out of fuel & crashed.
Military planes went up to try & help..they reported everyone on plane already dead.
I can’t figure out a scenario that makes sense. If it flew 4 hours with everyone unconscious, it still doesn’t explain how the transponder was shut off manually in the cockpit.
Since the Indian Ocean is now a search area Diego Garcia may be close enough to dispatch aircraft.
Don't they have aircraft at Diego Garcia Island?
yesterday there was a thread on FR with just this idea...can’t find it but evidently in February there was a warning sent out by the FAA about cracks and rust developing in 777’s which could lead to slow, slow decompression of the cabin which would be tough to notice even by pilots and crew...
it reference the Payne Stewart incident...tried to research here but could not find...
The plane was hijacked with the intent of flying west to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, wherever.
The plane couldn't have been on autopilot because it changed altitude and direction.
Because it dropped from 35k+ feet to below civilian radar it used much more fuel.
The hijackers, clever as they were, didn't figure that into what they were doing so the plane ran out of fuel and crashed before it reached the hijacker;s destination.
My guess: I'm assuming the news reports that this plane flew for 4-5 hours are true. So I think it was simply hijacked and was heading for a landing field that was beyond the range of the aircraft. As a result they simply ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean. The hijackers were too stupid to know that their target landing place was out of range.
Probably terrorist but not necessarily. Could be simply an aircraft kidnapping for ransom.
Draw a straight from where it was last seen to where it is found and project that line to the target landing field and you will know who the bad guys are.
And no, I don't get paid for this sort of excellent analysis. I just give it away for free. ;)
Indeed Diego Garcia. Land-based, long-range aircraft.
But aircraft cannot recover ‘stuff’ to identify what space-based assets have already ‘seen’ - if anything.
Read up on synthetic aperture recon birds. It’ll amaze you what we can ‘see’ from space.
Too many unanswered questions.
See my post a couple a minutes after yours. Brilliant minds ...
This sound like a Tom Clancy Novel =)
Commercial aircraft auto-deploy for loss of pressure. The ‘rubber jungle’ air masks in the cockpits CAN be put on by choice, but DO auto deploy.
A loss of pressure just wouldn’t sneak up on a commercial flight crew.
The private jet that Payne Stewart died on lacked automated safeguards.
Now we are back to the possible Malacca Strait contact that happened then didn’t happen. Makes you wonder about the Chinese satellite picture which drew them back the other direction. What is going on?
I come up with a new theory every day. I’ve had this one for a few days:
Terrorists get into cockpit and turn off transponder. They turn west, headed to Somalia or some other mid-east hell hole.
And run out of fuel, because the plane was only fueled for a 5 hour flight to China.
And, for unfortunately not the first time, terrorists inadvertently ditch an airliner into the Indian Ocean.
Maybe this one?
Waypoint Sri Lanka ... then to ... where?
There are so many things that have been said to have happened, I won’t believe one theory or another until there is something reasonable to back it up.
I can buy into that theory...
Winning thread comment.
Shhhh, you’ll spoil the cover story!
The distance to Beijing plus an additional 45 minutes which is the normal fuel loading would preclude making it to Somalia. However if more fuel were added than usual it could be done.
They went to help because the transponder was still functioning on the Payne Stewart plane.
Not quite. Sudden decompression is quite unlikely, it simply never pressurized to start with.
“My theory du jur...”
I like your theory. A few years back I was on a BA 747 from LAX to Heathrow and about 20 minutes after take-off a problem developed in the #3 engine. The engine was shut down, the plane dropped altitude to 24,000 ft, and turned toward JFK. The reduced altitude was to burn off excess fuel so as to minimize fuel load when landing.
Your theory makes more sense out of what we know at this point than any other I have seen expressed. So, did the hi-jackers want the plane, or was there a VIP passenger on board that they wanted...maybe for ransom or for some sort of a ‘prisoner’ exchange...
It’s basically what Jack Cashill, the TWA 800 researcher, said on Coast-to-Coast a couple of nights ago.
Possibly, but what accounts for the transponder and other comm equipment being turned off?......
And if they’re concocting a cover story nearly a week is long enough to plant evidence of a crash. Especially someplace remote.
You can’t tell me they didn’t know within hours of the flight having gone missing that the engines were still transmitting for several more hours.
"The cause of the uncontrolled flight and crash after the Learjet 35 apparently ran out of fuel were not known, but aviation experts speculated that the aircraft may have lost pressurization and that emergency backup systems failed as the plane's autopilot kept it in the air. Loss of pressurization above 30,000 feet would cause occupants of the aircraft to lose consciousness from oxygen deficiency in one to two minutes, the experts said."
Seems like the plane did have some sort of emergency backup. And, that the occupants would have had 60 to 120 seconds before loss of consciousness from lack of O2. Question is, was it the deployement of their O2 masks that failed?
The Learjet 35 is a pressurized aircraft that also is equipped with individual emergency oxygen masks for the passengers and crew if the pressurization system fails above about 12,000 feet.
Tom Baum, a Learjet pilot instructor, told CNN that a panel light in the cockpit of the plane goes on if there is a problem with the pressurization and that a backup system should then automatically begin to function. He said Learjet pilots are required to wear oxygen masks around their necks.
If the aircraft had a slow decompression there would still be alarms when the cabin altitude increased above a relatively low altitude, between 10 and 13 thousand feet.
Just maybe Banacek (George Peppard) should be asked to come out of retirement !
No single failure should be able to take out all those systems. There are several means of communication off the aircraft and nothing should be able to take them all out at the same time short of total power loss or something else catastrophic. For someone to have done it deliberately is somewhat easier, but it would require a good working knowledge of the aircraft.
IMHO, the same people who created this incident caused the disappearance of MH370:
They say that French plane that went down off of Brazil a few years ago likewise wasn’t discovered until 5 days after.
The 9/11 hijackers turned off the transponders.
American Airlines Flight 11
8:19 Flight attendant notifies AA of hijacking
8:21 Transponder is turned off
United Airlines Flight 175
8:42-8:46 Likely takeover
8:47 Transponder code changes
American Airlines Flight 77
8:54 Flight 77 makes unauthorized turn to south
8:56 Transponder is turned off
United Airlines Flight 93
9:36 Flight attendant notifies UA of hijacking;UA attempts to contact the cockpit
9:41 Transponder is turned off
The French plane went down in abysmally bad weather and was along the projected path it was to have originally taken.
If this plane is in the Andaman Sea, it’s thousands of miles off course and in the opposite direction. Hard to argue anything but deliberate human action put it on that course.
And who turned off the transponders if it suddenly depressurized?