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US Officials Have 'Indication' Malaysia Airline Crashed into Indian Ocean
Yahoo News ^ | 13 Mar 2014 | MARTHA RADDATZ

Posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:06 AM PDT by mandaladon

U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.

It will take another 24 hours to move the ship into position, a senior Pentagon official told ABC News. "We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior official said. The official said there were indications that the plane flew four or five hours after disappearing from radar and that they believe it went into the water.

Pentagon officials said that the USS Kidd was being moved at the request of Malaysia and is heading towards an area where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meet. It has helicopters aboard that can scour the area.

The U.S. action came hours after Malaysian officials said they had extended their search into the Andaman Sea and had requested help from India in the search for the missing plane and its 239 passengers.

Investigators also said today that U.S. officials gave them reasons to keep searching the waters west of Malaysia, far from the flight path of the Malaysia Airlines plane.

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that the search’s “main focus has always been in the South China Sea,” which is east of Malaysia and along the plane’s route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But the search was extended earlier this week to include water far to the west on the other side of Malaysia. “We are working very closely with the FAA and the NTSB on the issue of a possible air turn back,” Hishammuddin said, referring to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and National Transportation Safety Board.

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Still many questions unanswered.
1 posted on 03/13/2014 11:38:06 AM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

They can have planes there in no time to at least get pictures.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 11:40:36 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: mandaladon

If it was not a terrorism incident, what possibly could have happened to the aircraft, crew and passengers? Sudden decompression? Poisonous gas in the cabin? It looks like the incident a few years back when that pro-golfer’s jet flew for hours before crashing in the Dakotas(?) because the crew and passengers were all unconscious or dead from sudden decompression..........


3 posted on 03/13/2014 11:42:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: mandaladon

Sounds like the aircraft did a Payne Stewart.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 11:43:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
They can have planes there in no time to at least get pictures.

USS Kidd is a destroyer. Do we also have a carrier group in the area?

5 posted on 03/13/2014 11:43:45 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: mandaladon

I know next to nothing about aviation, but am wondering if it is possible that an electrical or computer malfunction (or a computer system virus?) could result in shutting down the transponder and the navigation systems and leave the crew confused as to where they were? If this were the case, why wouldn’t communications work? I would think that if they flew for several additional hours (as per the automatic updates communicated from the Rolls Royce engines) they would have tried to contact someone regarding their actual position.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 11:46:11 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: mandaladon

This is dragging out so long, they must be having trouble thinking up a cover story.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 11:46:30 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: mwilli20

Yes, I know its a Destroyer. :-)

Planes can be scrambled from a Base(s) that’s the closest to help verify.

God Bless the Souls.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 11:46:37 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: mwilli20

Diego Garcia


9 posted on 03/13/2014 11:46:42 AM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: Red Badger

Payne Stewart..I remember that, sad.
His plane flew 1400 miles on autopilot before ran out of fuel & crashed.
Military planes went up to try & help..they reported everyone on plane already dead.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 11:47:16 AM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: mandaladon

I can’t figure out a scenario that makes sense. If it flew 4 hours with everyone unconscious, it still doesn’t explain how the transponder was shut off manually in the cockpit.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 11:47:57 AM PDT by wattsgnu
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To: mwilli20
USS Kidd is a destroyer. Do we also have a carrier group in the area?

Since the Indian Ocean is now a search area Diego Garcia may be close enough to dispatch aircraft.

12 posted on 03/13/2014 11:49:33 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: mwilli20
USS Kidd is a destroyer. Do we also have a carrier group in the area?

Don't they have aircraft at Diego Garcia Island?

13 posted on 03/13/2014 11:50:31 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Red Badger; E. Pluribus Unum

yesterday there was a thread on FR with just this idea...can’t find it but evidently in February there was a warning sent out by the FAA about cracks and rust developing in 777’s which could lead to slow, slow decompression of the cabin which would be tough to notice even by pilots and crew...

it reference the Payne Stewart incident...tried to research here but could not find...


14 posted on 03/13/2014 11:53:08 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: mandaladon
My theory du jur...

The plane was hijacked with the intent of flying west to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, wherever.

The plane couldn't have been on autopilot because it changed altitude and direction.

Because it dropped from 35k+ feet to below civilian radar it used much more fuel.

The hijackers, clever as they were, didn't figure that into what they were doing so the plane ran out of fuel and crashed before it reached the hijacker;s destination.

15 posted on 03/13/2014 11:53:20 AM PDT by prisoner6 (FREEDOM)
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To: mandaladon
Still many questions unanswered.

My guess: I'm assuming the news reports that this plane flew for 4-5 hours are true. So I think it was simply hijacked and was heading for a landing field that was beyond the range of the aircraft. As a result they simply ran out of fuel and crashed into the Indian Ocean. The hijackers were too stupid to know that their target landing place was out of range.

Probably terrorist but not necessarily. Could be simply an aircraft kidnapping for ransom.

Draw a straight from where it was last seen to where it is found and project that line to the target landing field and you will know who the bad guys are.

And no, I don't get paid for this sort of excellent analysis. I just give it away for free. ;)

16 posted on 03/13/2014 11:54:59 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Indeed Diego Garcia. Land-based, long-range aircraft.

But aircraft cannot recover ‘stuff’ to identify what space-based assets have already ‘seen’ - if anything.

Read up on synthetic aperture recon birds. It’ll amaze you what we can ‘see’ from space.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 11:55:13 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: mandaladon

Too weird.

Too many unanswered questions.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 11:55:27 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: prisoner6

See my post a couple a minutes after yours. Brilliant minds ...


19 posted on 03/13/2014 11:56:20 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint


The probably were on their way to Somalia.
20 posted on 03/13/2014 11:57:13 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: mandaladon

This sound like a Tom Clancy Novel =)


21 posted on 03/13/2014 11:57:42 AM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: God luvs America

Nope.

Commercial aircraft auto-deploy for loss of pressure. The ‘rubber jungle’ air masks in the cockpits CAN be put on by choice, but DO auto deploy.

A loss of pressure just wouldn’t sneak up on a commercial flight crew.

The private jet that Payne Stewart died on lacked automated safeguards.


22 posted on 03/13/2014 11:58:09 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: mandaladon

Now we are back to the possible Malacca Strait contact that happened then didn’t happen. Makes you wonder about the Chinese satellite picture which drew them back the other direction. What is going on?


23 posted on 03/13/2014 11:58:32 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: wattsgnu

I come up with a new theory every day. I’ve had this one for a few days:

Terrorists get into cockpit and turn off transponder. They turn west, headed to Somalia or some other mid-east hell hole.

And run out of fuel, because the plane was only fueled for a 5 hour flight to China.

And, for unfortunately not the first time, terrorists inadvertently ditch an airliner into the Indian Ocean.


24 posted on 03/13/2014 11:58:45 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: God luvs America

Maybe this one?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3132581/posts


25 posted on 03/13/2014 11:58:53 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: God luvs America

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3132039/posts


26 posted on 03/13/2014 11:59:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: God luvs America
Is this it?

WAS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE MH370 BOEING 777-200 AIRCRAFT?

27 posted on 03/13/2014 12:00:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: mandaladon

Waypoint Sri Lanka ... then to ... where?

Somalia? Yemen?


28 posted on 03/13/2014 12:01:37 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: mandaladon

There are so many things that have been said to have happened, I won’t believe one theory or another until there is something reasonable to back it up.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 12:02:30 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: Qiviut; E. Pluribus Unum

thats it...


30 posted on 03/13/2014 12:02:42 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: prisoner6

I can buy into that theory...


31 posted on 03/13/2014 12:04:18 PM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Elections have consequences - NOW LOOK what we have to deal with...)
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To: God luvs America

:-)

~Q


32 posted on 03/13/2014 12:05:08 PM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: MUDDOG

Winning thread comment.


33 posted on 03/13/2014 12:06:36 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: wattsgnu

Shhhh, you’ll spoil the cover story!


34 posted on 03/13/2014 12:06:59 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: jimbo123
The probably were on their way to Somalia.

The distance to Beijing plus an additional 45 minutes which is the normal fuel loading would preclude making it to Somalia. However if more fuel were added than usual it could be done.

35 posted on 03/13/2014 12:07:07 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rainee

They went to help because the transponder was still functioning on the Payne Stewart plane.


36 posted on 03/13/2014 12:07:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Red Badger
".....dead from sudden decompression."

Not quite. Sudden decompression is quite unlikely, it simply never pressurized to start with.

37 posted on 03/13/2014 12:08:04 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: prisoner6

“My theory du jur...”

I like your theory. A few years back I was on a BA 747 from LAX to Heathrow and about 20 minutes after take-off a problem developed in the #3 engine. The engine was shut down, the plane dropped altitude to 24,000 ft, and turned toward JFK. The reduced altitude was to burn off excess fuel so as to minimize fuel load when landing.

Your theory makes more sense out of what we know at this point than any other I have seen expressed. So, did the hi-jackers want the plane, or was there a VIP passenger on board that they wanted...maybe for ransom or for some sort of a ‘prisoner’ exchange...


38 posted on 03/13/2014 12:09:47 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Black Agnes

It’s basically what Jack Cashill, the TWA 800 researcher, said on Coast-to-Coast a couple of nights ago.


39 posted on 03/13/2014 12:10:03 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: diogenes ghost

Possibly, but what accounts for the transponder and other comm equipment being turned off?......


40 posted on 03/13/2014 12:11:10 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: MUDDOG

And if they’re concocting a cover story nearly a week is long enough to plant evidence of a crash. Especially someplace remote.

You can’t tell me they didn’t know within hours of the flight having gone missing that the engines were still transmitting for several more hours.


41 posted on 03/13/2014 12:11:36 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Blueflag; God luvs America
"The private jet that Payne Stewart died on lacked automated safeguards"

"The cause of the uncontrolled flight and crash after the Learjet 35 apparently ran out of fuel were not known, but aviation experts speculated that the aircraft may have lost pressurization and that emergency backup systems failed as the plane's autopilot kept it in the air. Loss of pressurization above 30,000 feet would cause occupants of the aircraft to lose consciousness from oxygen deficiency in one to two minutes, the experts said."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/oct99/crash26.htm

Seems like the plane did have some sort of emergency backup. And, that the occupants would have had 60 to 120 seconds before loss of consciousness from lack of O2. Question is, was it the deployement of their O2 masks that failed?

42 posted on 03/13/2014 12:12:37 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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From the same article:

The Learjet 35 is a pressurized aircraft that also is equipped with individual emergency oxygen masks for the passengers and crew if the pressurization system fails above about 12,000 feet.

Tom Baum, a Learjet pilot instructor, told CNN that a panel light in the cockpit of the plane goes on if there is a problem with the pressurization and that a backup system should then automatically begin to function. He said Learjet pilots are required to wear oxygen masks around their necks.


43 posted on 03/13/2014 12:20:08 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: God luvs America

If the aircraft had a slow decompression there would still be alarms when the cabin altitude increased above a relatively low altitude, between 10 and 13 thousand feet.


44 posted on 03/13/2014 12:21:02 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Black Agnes

Just maybe Banacek (George Peppard) should be asked to come out of retirement !


45 posted on 03/13/2014 12:24:28 PM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

No single failure should be able to take out all those systems. There are several means of communication off the aircraft and nothing should be able to take them all out at the same time short of total power loss or something else catastrophic. For someone to have done it deliberately is somewhat easier, but it would require a good working knowledge of the aircraft.


46 posted on 03/13/2014 12:24:38 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: BeadCounter

IMHO, the same people who created this incident caused the disappearance of MH370:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/02/world/asia/china-railway-attack/


47 posted on 03/13/2014 12:24:59 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Black Agnes

They say that French plane that went down off of Brazil a few years ago likewise wasn’t discovered until 5 days after.


48 posted on 03/13/2014 12:25:04 PM PDT by BeadCounter (morning glory evening grace)
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To: Red Badger

The 9/11 hijackers turned off the transponders.

American Airlines Flight 11

8:19 Flight attendant notifies AA of hijacking
8:21 Transponder is turned off

United Airlines Flight 175

8:42-8:46 Likely takeover
8:47 Transponder code changes

American Airlines Flight 77

8:54 Flight 77 makes unauthorized turn to south
8:56 Transponder is turned off

United Airlines Flight 93

9:36 Flight attendant notifies UA of hijacking;UA attempts to contact the cockpit
9:41 Transponder is turned off

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm


49 posted on 03/13/2014 12:27:25 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: BeadCounter

The French plane went down in abysmally bad weather and was along the projected path it was to have originally taken.

If this plane is in the Andaman Sea, it’s thousands of miles off course and in the opposite direction. Hard to argue anything but deliberate human action put it on that course.

And who turned off the transponders if it suddenly depressurized?


50 posted on 03/13/2014 12:28:27 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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