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China warns of dangerous Russia sanctions 'spiral'
Reuters ^ | Thu Mar 13, 2014 | Noah Barkin and Andreas Rinke

Posted on 03/13/2014 5:29:43 PM PDT by xzins

China's top envoy to Germany has warned the West against punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control.

In an interview with Reuters days before the European Union is threatening to impose its first sanctions on Russia since the Cold War, ambassador Shi Mingde issued the strongest warning against such measures by any top Chinese official to date.

"We don't see any point in sanctions," Shi said. "Sanctions could lead to retaliatory action, and that would trigger a spiral with unforeseeable consequences. We don't want this."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel...Using her toughest rhetoric since the crisis began, she warned in a speech in parliament on Thursday that Russia risked "massive" political and economic damage if it did not change course in the coming days.

Russia's Deputy Economy Minister Alexei Likhachev responded by promising "symmetrical" sanctions by Moscow.

Still, Ukraine presents Beijing with a dilemma. On the one hand it is a traditional ally of Moscow and has routinely sided with its northern neighbor in major international conflicts. On the other hand, the question of territorial integrity is a tricky issue for the Chinese because of Tibet and Taiwan.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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1 posted on 03/13/2014 5:29:43 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

China just drew a red line. Checkmate on our President Acorn.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 5:34:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: All

I take China’s intervention also to be an indication of which side China would take.


3 posted on 03/13/2014 5:34:54 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I agree. Despite the article claiming China’s intervention being nothing more than concern, it is clear they don’t want the sanctions to take place, and that means they’re siding with Russia.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 5:36:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Russia and China share a 3500 mile common border and they have warm ties. China has indicated a willingness to help Russia defeat Western sanctions, which aren’t as likely to inconvenience Russia as they inconvenienced Iran.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 5:38:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: xzins
the boy is writing checks his pansy azz can't cash...
6 posted on 03/13/2014 5:38:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No shock. Stevie Wonder saw this coming.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 5:40:28 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: goldstategop

Those pipelines also go to China. We might turn them off or blow them up on their route to Europe, but that just means send the fuel the opposite direction to China. They’ll buy it. They’ll use it. They won’t need to buy it from others.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 5:43:00 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Yup. No lose scenario for them.

Now watch for them to call their debt unless these idiots back off.


9 posted on 03/13/2014 5:44:05 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Chode

With the aid and comfort of our ‘lesser evils’ in the GOP I would add.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 5:47:45 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
100%
11 posted on 03/13/2014 5:51:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks xzins.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel... warned in a speech in parliament on Thursday that Russia risked "massive" political and economic damage if it did not change course in the coming days... Still, Ukraine presents Beijing with a dilemma. On the one hand it is a traditional ally of Moscow and has routinely sided with its northern neighbor in major international conflicts. On the other hand, the question of territorial integrity is a tricky issue for the Chinese because of Tibet and Taiwan.

12 posted on 03/13/2014 5:52:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Chode

Hope we survive long enough for people to alter that. Not looking good at this rate.

Feel the power of the glow...And be divided. /Fallout 3


13 posted on 03/13/2014 5:53:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

And any action that causes a lower supply — such as blowing thing up — only raises the price so that Russia ends up with MORE or the SAME amount of cash for lesser quantity sales.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 5:54:41 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Here’s the bottom line. No one wants to accept it because it sucks, but it’s true.

The world at large hates the west thanks to Obama. Us, Germany and the UK are quite possibly going to be pariahs because of the promises we have broken in our collective quest to liberalize the planet. That will come at a cost.

The rest of the world does not need us when china will build their toys and Russia will fuel them.

Scary huh? But it’s true.


15 posted on 03/13/2014 5:59:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

To clarify: The world has always hated us...but now it no longer respect or fears us.


16 posted on 03/13/2014 6:01:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins

It’s about time for China to start some trouble over Taiwan or the South China Sea again to show just how thin our shrinking military has become. The Russians could turn up in the Caribbean or a couple of their long range bombers could probe Alaska like they have done in the past, too. This whole mess is going to get out of hand if cool heads don’t prevail.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 6:03:27 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: xzins

Anyone in the market for a new Saiga shotgun/rifle, or other Russian stuff had better get’em now....If it isn’t already too late.

‘Panic buying’ is bad enough for scare supply/high prices. Throw in a REAL supply interruption, and it’ll get crazy.(glad I got mine lol)


18 posted on 03/13/2014 6:04:11 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: xzins

Sounds like China just bought some much needed gas.


19 posted on 03/13/2014 6:04:52 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: xzins

Big business Commies.
Just like our Democrats here at home.


20 posted on 03/13/2014 6:06:08 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Truth29

Thats the problem. The cool heads are in Russia and China. They can be cool about it and just press forward knowing they hold ALL the cards.

We on the other hand have a senile Manchurian Candidate and a closet case advising a White house led by a Muslim activist and a Ketchup Gigolo..


21 posted on 03/13/2014 6:10:28 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
a White house led by a Muslim activist and a Ketchup Gigolo..

lol :-)

22 posted on 03/13/2014 6:14:57 PM PDT by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: Bobalu

It’s literally true. And we have fallen so far as to have empowered both solely for the sake of not being called bad names by liberals.

Hope the planet was worth it.


23 posted on 03/13/2014 6:20:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins
Looks like China is eying Taiwan and/or those disputed Japanese islands. Nah, I just imagining things.
24 posted on 03/13/2014 6:26:43 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Fear not! we have just gutted our military and their benefits. Oh wait...


25 posted on 03/13/2014 6:30:16 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think all of you are forgetting one thing.

Take the politics away and our military can kick both their a$$e$ across the continents.


26 posted on 03/13/2014 6:34:58 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Not at all. I know they could. But they wont without an order to do it.

McCain and Ghramm make noise but when faced with nuclear retaliation, they will be first in the bunker. Obama won’t let the military shoot terrorists shooting at them. He will never let our mil kick anyones ass.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 6:38:01 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins

Chinese are worried that a big sanctions move against the russians in the crimea will set up a big sanctions move against them for the incursions into the the south and east china seas.


28 posted on 03/13/2014 6:39:51 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You’ll need to take away the politics + the nukes


29 posted on 03/13/2014 6:42:50 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

The first casualty of a potential east-west conflict will be “Free Trade”. I say halleluiah to that. Free Traitors can go hide under the rocks or GTHO, go live with your Asian handlers.


30 posted on 03/13/2014 6:44:22 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Another ahem...’casualty’ will be the UN and the EU as power blocs. I won’t miss that either.


31 posted on 03/13/2014 6:46:35 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins

Nobody is going to nuke anyone. Did we use nukes Korea, VietNam, China or Iraq? Nagasaki was the last and only nuke to be used in wartime.


32 posted on 03/13/2014 6:49:12 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Nobody is going to nuke anyone.

That's why they're there.

33 posted on 03/13/2014 6:50:28 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ckilmer

I doubt China or Russia have many worries right now.


34 posted on 03/13/2014 6:51:14 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: xzins

Wars and rumors of wars.


35 posted on 03/13/2014 6:52:24 PM PDT by crz
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To: xzins

Hitler had tons of nerve gas and a perfect deliver system, V-1 and V-2 rockets, and NEVER used them. Even when surrounded by the Red Army in 1945. It just isn’t going to happen.


36 posted on 03/13/2014 6:52:26 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins

All they have to do is threaten it and every lib on earth will throw themselves down in submission. Guaranteed. Sure they will make noise. But they will quickly start condemning anyone who resists in the name of ‘peace’.


37 posted on 03/13/2014 6:53:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins

EU and American sanctions could lead to a shortage of artisen breads, perfume, Hollywood movies and gourmet beverages in Russia. Everything else, including GM cars is made in China.


38 posted on 03/13/2014 6:53:45 PM PDT by jonatron (This is the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.)
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To: xzins
These interventionists--do they think Putin will let Russia go down without a fight? How obtuse can they get.
39 posted on 03/13/2014 6:57:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: central_va

Never underestimate your enemy. Sometime in the future nukes will definitely be used.


40 posted on 03/13/2014 6:58:11 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: goldstategop

China and Russia are serious. Obama and the Euros are not serious. That is all that needs to be understood about this posturing by the west.


41 posted on 03/13/2014 6:59:35 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Well one way to rearrange the global financial problem is to have a war. Tried and true method. I sorta doubt that once you get to the core of all this, that that is far from the motivating factor. gets rid of the ‘overpopulation problem too. See Agenda 21 for details.

Not as crazy as it sounds considering who we have in charge.


42 posted on 03/13/2014 7:00:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: xzins

“I take China’s intervention also to be an indication of which side China would take.”

China wants oil, raw materials and dominance in Asia.

If you were China, which side would you take ?


43 posted on 03/13/2014 7:06:23 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

With Obama on one side and Putin on the other, I’d be sinking money into South America


44 posted on 03/13/2014 7:08:51 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Still, Ukraine presents Beijing with a dilemma. On the one hand it is a traditional ally of Moscow and has routinely sided with its northern neighbor in major international conflicts. On the other hand, the question of territorial integrity is a tricky issue for the Chinese because of Tibet and Taiwan.

There is no dilemma. China fully supports the right of the larger country to deal with smaller neighbors as it sees fit. They *are* the larger country in their region. Tibet is an internal affair of China, but Taiwan is a very good analogy to Ukraine. In essence, Taiwan is allowed to exist unmolested only because Taiwan is not doing any wrong moves. Ukraine did make such moves. It was their right... but the only rights between countries are those that a country is able to defend. Everything else is hot air. Ukraine over the last 15 years drove its industry, economy and yes, military into the ground. Now they are observing the results of that policy.

45 posted on 03/13/2014 7:21:15 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: xzins

It’s a shame that I despise our president so much that I feel good when China or Russia tells us to go to hell.


46 posted on 03/13/2014 7:38:37 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican

I agree. Obama is so incompetent, though, that he could get us into a world war.


47 posted on 03/13/2014 7:41:38 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

As long as Obama is in the white house I’d at least remain be neutral.


48 posted on 03/13/2014 7:44:42 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: xzins

Tell China to pound sand.

IE.. tell China to back sanctions or we will no longer recognize any claim the Chinese have to Taiwan.


49 posted on 03/13/2014 8:36:29 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: KoRn

Do we really want to fight a war with Russia/China/Iran/Cuba/ and others a;; over the Ukraine? Who would on our side? England? (Nope) France? (Non) Germany—maybe? Canada? Is it worth it? We need to buy time to re-build our nation and military if WW III is in the making.


50 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:21 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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