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Missing plane sent signals to satellite for hours
AP.org ^ | Mar 13, 7:57 PM EDT | By CHRIS BRUMMITT and JOAN LOWY

Posted on 03/13/2014 7:38:46 PM PDT by gooblah

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To: gooblah

someone has 239 hostages, good for bigbucks ransom.....mostly Chinese.....that plane is on the ground somewhere.


101 posted on 03/13/2014 9:02:20 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: rdl6989
Exactly, in the modern era with all of the communications, ATC radar, the avionics etc and with spy satellites, search planes, and all other equipment, how does this plane elude the world for a week?

Good point. I'm betting the powers that be know a lot more and aren't telling us. Is it because it was really hijacked, they know where the plane is, and they're keeping it quiet while they close in. Hope springs eternal. I hope those passengers are still alive.

102 posted on 03/13/2014 9:03:47 PM PDT by virgil
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To: Delta Dawn
If it was hijacked and landed, the passengeers were not part of the plan. They were either killed or made to jump out of the plane over the Indian ocean.

Door swings inward and any pressure over 1 atm inside the fuselage would render impossible an in-flight opening of the door --they would have to be near sea-level with no cabin pressure at all.

Not impossible, but still hard.

People are saying the passengers would resist, but would they need to be WITTING to the take-over? Not necessarily, if the pilots OR crew were in on the take-over.

The flight was in the middle of the night, so my guess is many would be asleep over the course of the 4-hour flight and would have very few visible points of reference over the ocean.

Unless there had been a FIGHT to enter the cockpit my guess would be that they'd go to sleep totally confident of waking up in China.

103 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: barmag25

So the US Navy knows where it is but isn’t talking? And why wouldn’t they be talking?


104 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:08 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

You gradually decrease cabin pressure until they’re all asleep, then dead. Easily done in an hour.


105 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:23 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: gaijin

Pilot on CNN tonight said landing for a 777, especially one flying light after burning most fuel, was less than 4000 feet - said there are plenty of strips as long or longer all over the world - training fields, abandoned fields from wars etc etc - said landing could be accomplished with a good on-board GPS system and would not need elaborate on-ground instruments - takeoff would take longer because of more fuel, unless it was under fueled to make a short hop to another field (maybe after being repainted and repurposed????).....


106 posted on 03/13/2014 9:04:38 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: bigdaddy45
Relatively easy to incapacitate over 200 passengers??? How exactly?

Serve them all the fish for dinner.

107 posted on 03/13/2014 9:05:18 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Viennacon; Royal Wulff

So then whats the point of hijacking it? Its WAY easier to purchase a plane than to pull something like this off.


108 posted on 03/13/2014 9:07:21 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Royal Wulff
You gradually decrease cabin pressure until they’re all asleep, then dead. Easily done in an hour.

OF COURSE..! Good sleuthing.

109 posted on 03/13/2014 9:07:53 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bigdaddy45

Well, we don’t know. How easy is it to buy a passenger jet liner? especially if you’re Al Qaeda.


110 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:21 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: bigdaddy45

How much does a B777 cost?


111 posted on 03/13/2014 9:08:35 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil

Try craigslist.


112 posted on 03/13/2014 9:09:13 PM PDT by punchamullah
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To: virgil

Why would you need a 777? You just need a large plane that could fly overseas. There are plenty of them.


113 posted on 03/13/2014 9:09:39 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

What do you mean not talking? US officials just told the whole world they have data from the plane and where it was when it last transmitted.


114 posted on 03/13/2014 9:10:00 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: virgil

Around $220 million.


115 posted on 03/13/2014 9:10:58 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: virgil

$280 million


116 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:05 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: bigdaddy45
NO planes have been hijacked since 9/11.

Just last month an Ethiopian co-pilot hijacked his own flight from Rome to Geneva. Hard for passengers to stop such.

Why go to the trouble?

Maybe CNN did it to boost their ratings! It certainly been better for them than sucking up to Obama.

117 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:06 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: bigdaddy45
So then whats the point of hijacking it? Its WAY easier to purchase a plane than to pull something like this off.

So the bad actor is a COUNTRY? Says who? Why must that be so..?

A non-state actor probably does not have the budget or certs required to buy such a huge plane, post 9-11.

This is some entity that wants a delivery system but cannot pay for it.

118 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:10 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bigdaddy45

Is it? So far I see it being done by one person. Pilot kills co-pilot, dons oxygen mask, depressurizes cabin. Done.


119 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:11 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: bigdaddy45

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350?mg=reno64-wsj


120 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:15 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: virgil

$280 million


121 posted on 03/13/2014 9:11:17 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Actually, you’re right. And thats my theory. That the co-pilot (or pilot) took over the plane. But I think it was a suicide mission and got ditched somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Probably over a woman. Its always a woman.


122 posted on 03/13/2014 9:13:06 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Maybe they want a real big one that carries a lot of fuel so they can slam it into another tall building, nuke plant, or a big event like the super bowl etc.


123 posted on 03/13/2014 9:13:34 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: gooblah

124 posted on 03/13/2014 9:14:22 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: gaijin

If said entity wants a “delivery system” they have to have something to deliver. I’m assuming you mean a nuke. I would think any organization that had the resources to get a nuke could get a plane way easier than going through all this trouble.


125 posted on 03/13/2014 9:15:43 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gaijin

The turn around would have been unmistakable. It happened an hour or so into the flight.

One or both of the pilots would have been involved in this.

If a hijacking, these guys were good. They made a 777 disappear.

Hope I am wrong.


126 posted on 03/13/2014 9:15:45 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: bigdaddy45

There is also the little problem of opening a door in flight. Modern airliners are not designed for dropping paratroopers or passengers.


127 posted on 03/13/2014 9:23:27 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: barmag25

There are about 10 countries searching.


128 posted on 03/13/2014 9:24:37 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: bigdaddy45

You make great points.

Lessay it’s suicide by pilot or co-pilot over a woman or something:

If he’s sad/angry enough to kill 240 people, wouldn’t he be mad enough to fly the airplane into KL’s muzzie twin towers..?

In that state of mind why simply settle for smacking into plain ole’ water?

I have to allow that the, “de-pressurize cabin, then suicide by pilot or co-pilot” does seem simple and convincing.


129 posted on 03/13/2014 9:28:42 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Well maybe she wronged him bad enough to wipe out a plane, but not quite bad enough to take out the muzzie twin towers. When it comes to “what women do to men”, you really never do know.....


130 posted on 03/13/2014 9:30:36 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: rdl6989

EMP attack.

Detonate it in the sky and immediately blow us technologically back into the middle ages.


131 posted on 03/13/2014 9:32:00 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Texas Songwriter; Cementjungle

That seems a little cost prohibitive for most people, even terrorists.


132 posted on 03/13/2014 9:33:01 PM PDT by virgil
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To: gaijin
So it sorta seems like they viewed the a/c as valuable

...or the contents, for whatever reason.

133 posted on 03/13/2014 9:40:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jedidah

Emp attack?!?!. Har!

777 can’t fly in outer space......emp effectiveness drops rapidly in the atmosphere. Nice try though.


134 posted on 03/13/2014 9:44:30 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: bigdaddy45
“So then whats the point of hijacking it? Its WAY easier to purchase a plane than to pull something like this off.”

Um, a 777 costs $300M

If you're using it for something illegal, it's far cheaper to hijack or bribe a 3rd world pilot

135 posted on 03/13/2014 9:46:55 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: gaijin
You gradually decrease cabin pressure until they’re all asleep, then dead. Easily done in an hour.

...except the passenger's emergency O2 masks deploy.
136 posted on 03/13/2014 9:49:40 PM PDT by Deek
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To: USAF80

Hey, Bolivia has a navy!


137 posted on 03/13/2014 9:56:14 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Fee
  Yes - very good points - it sounds like something planned rather than an accident. It's difficult to come up with a simple explanation that involves an accident.
138 posted on 03/13/2014 10:01:52 PM PDT by Maurice Tift (Never wear anything that panics the cat. -- P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

> Fly it like you stole it! <

Ha!


139 posted on 03/13/2014 10:03:17 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

Glad you liked that!


140 posted on 03/13/2014 10:07:00 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Rembrandt
" “Next they’ll summon Cthulhu.” "

"Naah, it’s in the running for the U.S. Presidency in 2017."


141 posted on 03/13/2014 10:11:47 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Texas Songwriter

It can’t stay in the airspace forever. It must at some point must have landed there.


142 posted on 03/13/2014 10:21:04 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: 353FMG

“Unless the passengers aboard were dead”

Seems like if the passengers were alive and there was a hijacking for 4 hours some of them would try to call on their cell phones. Would cell phones work over the ocean like that?


143 posted on 03/13/2014 10:23:27 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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To: Rembrandt

“my guess is Pakistan.”

If the plane landed seems like the world would know, unless it was one of the crazy countries.


144 posted on 03/13/2014 10:25:46 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Best comment I’ve seen on this craziness yet!


145 posted on 03/13/2014 10:26:18 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

“Malaysia recruits witch doctors “

Witch doctors will be about all you’ll get once we have full-scale Obamacare! /s;)


146 posted on 03/13/2014 10:28:03 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: barmag25

They could glide for a while without fuel if they’re high enough. All it takes is the proper attitude and trim.


147 posted on 03/13/2014 10:29:09 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a pessimist, I say plenty of negative things. Consider it a warning of sorts.)
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To: Delta Dawn

“Our military should be on a high alert status until this jet is found.

Yeah, what if the plane secretly landed, then equipped with a nuke and flown to US disguised as a normal flight?


148 posted on 03/13/2014 10:29:58 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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To: varyouga

As low as $35 million with some mileage/cycles on her!

http://www.findaircraft.com/findaircraft/nonmemberaircraft.php?AircraftID=15654&AircraftType=Boeing%20Commercial


149 posted on 03/13/2014 10:44:25 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Mad Dawgg

It would be ironic if the only thing found through the search and rescue efforts was her plane.


150 posted on 03/13/2014 10:56:11 PM PDT by tahoeblue
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