Skip to comments.Missing plane sent signals to satellite for hours
Posted on 03/13/2014 7:38:46 PM PDT by gooblah
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It would be a teachable moment if we never found out, to show us that some things cannot be explained!
Our military should be on a high alert status until this jet is found.
The aircraft is being “repurposed” as we speak. I pray for the innocent passengers if they are not already dead one way or another.
Iran is too far
Agreed. My worst fear is Al Qaida has it and will use it in another terror attack.
I’m betting that the NSA knows exactly where that puppy is. The word in DC is that they haven’t said anything publicly because they don’t want the other team to know what our ELINT capabilities are, and anyway if we revealed that we know who has the plane, we might actually have to do something about it. And this bunch, of course, hasn’t the slightest idea if how to handle big serious problems.
Maybe somebody got “Ron Browned”(?)
The perp is a Non-State Actor with forces within 3,600 miles of Kuala Lumpu and controls a landing strip sufficiently long to accommodate a Boeing 777.
And they have facilities for 239 hostages or the will to kill them.
“Chinese Fire Drill”
The term goes back to the early 1900s, and is alleged to have originated when a ship run by British officers and a Chinese crew practiced a fire drill in the engine room. The bucket brigade drew water from the starboard side, took it to the engine room, and poured it onto the fire. A separate crew hauled the accumulated water to the main deck and heaved the water over the port side. The drill went according to plan until the orders became confused in translation. The bucket brigade began to draw the water from the starboard side, run over to the port side and then throw the water overboard, bypassing the engine room completely. Additionally, the term is documented to have been used in the U.S. Marine Corps during World War II, where it was often expressed in the phrase “as screwed up as a Chinese fire drill”. It was also commonly used by Americans during the Korean War and the Vietnam War.
Historians trace Westerners’ use of the word Chinese to denote “confusion” and “incomprehensibility” to the earliest contacts between Europeans and Chinese people in the 1600s, and attribute it to Europeans’ inability to understand and appreciate China’s radically different culture and worldview. In his 1989 Dictionary of Invective, British editor Hugh Rawson lists 16 phrases that use the word Chinese to denote “incompetence, fraud and disorganization”.
Earhart was just 2 people. This is well over 200.
Not lately but...
You mean Somalis
If you could see the number of fast movers in the sky over and around DC, you'd know that our military is paying attention.
Iran is too far. As for Pakistan, not sure how it could fly over India with no one noticing.
Northrup Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk
And have four of them scan the land and oceans from 60,000 feet within four hours' commercial jet flight time from Kuala Lumpur Airport to see if we can finally find the plane.
“Im betting that the NSA knows exactly where that puppy is.”
Oh, was it posted on Facebook?
Single engine general aviation planes go missing all the time. Alaska is peppered in with yet to be found plane wreckage. However commercial and commuter airliners have so many navigation systems in them that it is basically impossible for them to go missing.
Even if it was possible, explain how the transponders were shut off. Both of them. The engines on the Boeing 777 emit a signal via satellite so it will alert the maintenance shop of problems for repair before the plane arrives at Bejing. That signal indicate the engines were running for 4 hours after the plane radar blip disappear. This will also corroborate with the Chinese families ability to call their love ones, hearing ringing on the cellphones, but no one answers. If the plane had crashed into the ocean, the cellpones would not ring but immediately inform the caller the cell is not available and refer to the owners voicemail to leaving a message. This is one of the weirdest air incidents to date especially in the age where everything can be tracked.
A nuclear strike would bring on martial law and ensure Obama’s presidency for many years to come.
I am not getting a good feeling about this.
Unless they were unconscious.
How? Its not our plane. Its on the other side of the world. We’re not all-knowing. How many people do you think are in on this conspiracy?
The key is the “aviation geek”.
And if the US government doesn't, then George Soros certainly does!
You’re implying it was hijacked, and landed somewhere. Only a few problems with that theory:
— First, passengers don’t put up with hijackers these days. NO planes have been hijacked since 9/11.
— Where did it land? Pakistan is too far. Iran is too far.
— Why go to the trouble? Planes can readily be purchased on the open market.
Could it not fly around?
Something is up, hope the reasons are found soon, horrible failure or human caused....please GOD not stolen for later terror usage...
Well, for your first question, it would be relatively easy to incapacitate the passangers and crew, especially if the pilots were involved.
Well, I just checked eBay. All I saw was B777 models, but I may not be looking in the right place for the real deal. :-)
For the sake of discussion: What if the plane landed on a private/isolated air strip, was refueled there, took off again and now could be just about anywhere? This process could have happened more than once.
If the fuel loading was accurate. One guy in the ground could easily load more fuel. If that happened the pilots were in on it - whatever it is.
I've googled it, and I've come up with nothing.
The wings-level, sea-level stall speed is typically close to 137 knots, apparently.
Not without going awful close to the Indian coast. Indian radar would have picked it up. The range is limited. It couldn’t fly just anywhere.
777 yards. Obviously.
Thats the big mystery. But if one of the pilots decided to turn all the transponders off, take a left turn, and fly off into the middle of the Indian Ocean.... good luck finding it. Its and awful big ocean. Thats my guess by the way (if i have to make one). One pilot incapacitates the other, and off into the wild blue yonder they go.
Some of the crew may have been involved, too. Passengers may not have known they were hijacked until it was too late.
If it was hijacked and landed, the passengeers were not part of the plan. They were either killed or made to jump out of the plane over the Indian ocean.
If a hijacking, I’m betting that automatic weapons were smuggled on board. No boxcutters this time.
We need to find this plane.
Relatively easy to incapacitate over 200 passengers??? How exactly? The only hijacking scenario i can think of is if one of the pilots does it by taking out the other with no one knowing. They’re flying in the middle of the night, and none of the passengers really know anything is wrong.
Given the number of claims that have been made and later denied regarding this flight do we really know how much fuel it was carrying? It is certainly possible to load a 777 with enough for a much longer flight. Has anyone actually checked the records at KL and if they have, can those records be trusted? After the Malaysians had piously claimed they were checking all possibilities they are now denying searching the pilot and copilot's homes. If this was a planned crew-jacking, as now seems possible, might co-conspirator(s) in the ground crew have loaded more fuel than needed for the official flight plan? That might be the easiest lead to follow.
Under the radar, im talking
depends on if it is fully loaded....but it the takeoff length of a runway is always longer than the landing length. I’d guess about 8,000 feet as a minimum to land one. You need about 12000 feet to take off fully loaded.
How do you “make passengers jump out of a plane over the Indian Ocean”??? Just tell them to line up and jump? You don’t think over 200 passengers are going to fight back??? Sheeeesh.
speculation and theories that have NO verifiable data. Unnamed sources from unnamed ‘agencies’ are meaningless.
For whatever else we know of this we can be sure...1) there is a plane missing and 2)it will not end well
I fear the final destination will be Israel.
I assume there is access to the ventilation system through avionics. You don’t think the pilots could smuggle gas masks and knockout gas grenades on board? That is what I’d do if I was trying to hijack it.
People who don’t know where something’s at send out search party’s of 40-50 ships and 40-50 aircraft to search. Someone knows exactly where something’s at sends out one ship. The US Navy sent one ship there today.
Do you think they could make it to Somalia? Then fly over Saudia Arabia or the Gulf and into Israeli air-space?