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Missing plane sent signals to satellite for hours
AP.org ^ | Mar 13, 7:57 PM EDT | By CHRIS BRUMMITT and JOAN LOWY

Posted on 03/13/2014 7:38:46 PM PDT by gooblah

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To: gooblah

It would be a teachable moment if we never found out, to show us that some things cannot be explained!


51 posted on 03/13/2014 8:32:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: rdl6989

Our military should be on a high alert status until this jet is found.


52 posted on 03/13/2014 8:33:16 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: gooblah

The aircraft is being “repurposed” as we speak. I pray for the innocent passengers if they are not already dead one way or another.


53 posted on 03/13/2014 8:33:49 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: gaijin

Iran is too far


54 posted on 03/13/2014 8:34:18 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Delta Dawn

Agreed. My worst fear is Al Qaida has it and will use it in another terror attack.


55 posted on 03/13/2014 8:35:28 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: gooblah

I’m betting that the NSA knows exactly where that puppy is. The word in DC is that they haven’t said anything publicly because they don’t want the other team to know what our ELINT capabilities are, and anyway if we revealed that we know who has the plane, we might actually have to do something about it. And this bunch, of course, hasn’t the slightest idea if how to handle big serious problems.


56 posted on 03/13/2014 8:36:04 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: gooblah

Maybe somebody got “Ron Browned”(?)


57 posted on 03/13/2014 8:37:18 PM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: gaijin

The perp is a Non-State Actor with forces within 3,600 miles of Kuala Lumpu and controls a landing strip sufficiently long to accommodate a Boeing 777.

And they have facilities for 239 hostages or the will to kill them.


58 posted on 03/13/2014 8:37:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gooblah

“Chinese Fire Drill”

The term goes back to the early 1900s, and is alleged to have originated when a ship run by British officers and a Chinese crew practiced a fire drill in the engine room. The bucket brigade drew water from the starboard side, took it to the engine room, and poured it onto the fire. A separate crew hauled the accumulated water to the main deck and heaved the water over the port side. The drill went according to plan until the orders became confused in translation. The bucket brigade began to draw the water from the starboard side, run over to the port side and then throw the water overboard, bypassing the engine room completely.[2] Additionally, the term is documented to have been used in the U.S. Marine Corps during World War II, where it was often expressed in the phrase “as screwed up as a Chinese fire drill”.[3] It was also commonly used by Americans during the Korean War and the Vietnam War.[4]

Historians trace Westerners’ use of the word Chinese to denote “confusion” and “incomprehensibility” to the earliest contacts between Europeans and Chinese people in the 1600s, and attribute it to Europeans’ inability to understand and appreciate China’s radically different culture and worldview.[5] In his 1989 Dictionary of Invective, British editor Hugh Rawson lists 16 phrases that use the word Chinese to denote “incompetence, fraud and disorganization”.[6]


59 posted on 03/13/2014 8:38:50 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: BeadCounter

Earhart was just 2 people. This is well over 200.


60 posted on 03/13/2014 8:38:54 PM PDT by virgil
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To: rdl6989
"Has there ever been anything like it in aviation history?"

Not lately but...

61 posted on 03/13/2014 8:40:43 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: mountainlion

You mean Somalis


62 posted on 03/13/2014 8:41:08 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Delta Dawn
Our military should be on a high alert status until this jet is found.

If you could see the number of fast movers in the sky over and around DC, you'd know that our military is paying attention.

63 posted on 03/13/2014 8:42:12 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: gaijin

Iran is too far. As for Pakistan, not sure how it could fly over India with no one noticing.


64 posted on 03/13/2014 8:42:18 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gooblah
In that case, it's time to call in this:

Northrup Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk

And have four of them scan the land and oceans from 60,000 feet within four hours' commercial jet flight time from Kuala Lumpur Airport to see if we can finally find the plane.

65 posted on 03/13/2014 8:42:24 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: ottbmare

“I’m betting that the NSA knows exactly where that puppy is.”

Oh, was it posted on Facebook?


66 posted on 03/13/2014 8:42:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: virgil

Single engine general aviation planes go missing all the time. Alaska is peppered in with yet to be found plane wreckage. However commercial and commuter airliners have so many navigation systems in them that it is basically impossible for them to go missing.


67 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:18 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: Maurice Tift

Even if it was possible, explain how the transponders were shut off. Both of them. The engines on the Boeing 777 emit a signal via satellite so it will alert the maintenance shop of problems for repair before the plane arrives at Bejing. That signal indicate the engines were running for 4 hours after the plane radar blip disappear. This will also corroborate with the Chinese families ability to call their love ones, hearing ringing on the cellphones, but no one answers. If the plane had crashed into the ocean, the cellpones would not ring but immediately inform the caller the cell is not available and refer to the owners voicemail to leaving a message. This is one of the weirdest air incidents to date especially in the age where everything can be tracked.


68 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:22 PM PDT by Fee ( Big Gov and Big Business are Enemies of America)
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To: rdl6989

A nuclear strike would bring on martial law and ensure Obama’s presidency for many years to come.

I am not getting a good feeling about this.


70 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:44 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: 353FMG

Unless they were unconscious.


71 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:48 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: barmag25

How? Its not our plane. Its on the other side of the world. We’re not all-knowing. How many people do you think are in on this conspiracy?


72 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:59 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gooblah

The key is the “aviation geek”.


73 posted on 03/13/2014 8:45:35 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: barmag25
Wherever the plane landed or crashed I’m certain the US government knows where it’s at.

And if the US government doesn't, then George Soros certainly does!

74 posted on 03/13/2014 8:46:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Cheerio

You’re implying it was hijacked, and landed somewhere. Only a few problems with that theory:

— First, passengers don’t put up with hijackers these days. NO planes have been hijacked since 9/11.

— Where did it land? Pakistan is too far. Iran is too far.

— Why go to the trouble? Planes can readily be purchased on the open market.


75 posted on 03/13/2014 8:47:02 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

Could it not fly around?


76 posted on 03/13/2014 8:47:19 PM PDT by Viennacon
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Something is up, hope the reasons are found soon, horrible failure or human caused....please GOD not stolen for later terror usage...


77 posted on 03/13/2014 8:48:04 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: bigdaddy45

Well, for your first question, it would be relatively easy to incapacitate the passangers and crew, especially if the pilots were involved.


78 posted on 03/13/2014 8:48:15 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: LukeL

Well, I just checked eBay. All I saw was B777 models, but I may not be looking in the right place for the real deal. :-)


79 posted on 03/13/2014 8:48:26 PM PDT by virgil
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To: gooblah

For the sake of discussion: What if the plane landed on a private/isolated air strip, was refueled there, took off again and now could be just about anywhere? This process could have happened more than once.


80 posted on 03/13/2014 8:48:48 PM PDT by KJC1
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To: barmag25

If the fuel loading was accurate. One guy in the ground could easily load more fuel. If that happened the pilots were in on it - whatever it is.


81 posted on 03/13/2014 8:49:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: gaijin
What is the absolute minimum 777 landing strip length?

I've googled it, and I've come up with nothing.

The wings-level, sea-level stall speed is typically close to 137 knots, apparently.

82 posted on 03/13/2014 8:51:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: virgil
Exactly, in the modern era with all of the communications, ATC radar, the avionics etc and with spy satellites, search planes, and all other equipment, how does this plane elude the world for a week?
83 posted on 03/13/2014 8:52:33 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Viennacon

Not without going awful close to the Indian coast. Indian radar would have picked it up. The range is limited. It couldn’t fly just anywhere.


84 posted on 03/13/2014 8:53:00 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gaijin
What is the absolute minimum 777 landing strip length?

777 yards. Obviously.

85 posted on 03/13/2014 8:53:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: rdl6989

Thats the big mystery. But if one of the pilots decided to turn all the transponders off, take a left turn, and fly off into the middle of the Indian Ocean.... good luck finding it. Its and awful big ocean. Thats my guess by the way (if i have to make one). One pilot incapacitates the other, and off into the wild blue yonder they go.


86 posted on 03/13/2014 8:55:25 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Viennacon

Some of the crew may have been involved, too. Passengers may not have known they were hijacked until it was too late.


87 posted on 03/13/2014 8:56:24 PM PDT by virgil
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To: bigdaddy45

If it was hijacked and landed, the passengeers were not part of the plan. They were either killed or made to jump out of the plane over the Indian ocean.

If a hijacking, I’m betting that automatic weapons were smuggled on board. No boxcutters this time.

We need to find this plane.


88 posted on 03/13/2014 8:56:53 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Revolting cat!
[The minimum landing strip required] is 777 yards. Obviously.

You....are joking...?

89 posted on 03/13/2014 8:57:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Viennacon

Relatively easy to incapacitate over 200 passengers??? How exactly? The only hijacking scenario i can think of is if one of the pilots does it by taking out the other with no one knowing. They’re flying in the middle of the night, and none of the passengers really know anything is wrong.


91 posted on 03/13/2014 8:57:44 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gaijin
So she was prolly loaded with fuel permitting a range of 3,600 miles or so...?

Given the number of claims that have been made and later denied regarding this flight do we really know how much fuel it was carrying? It is certainly possible to load a 777 with enough for a much longer flight. Has anyone actually checked the records at KL and if they have, can those records be trusted? After the Malaysians had piously claimed they were checking all possibilities they are now denying searching the pilot and copilot's homes. If this was a planned crew-jacking, as now seems possible, might co-conspirator(s) in the ground crew have loaded more fuel than needed for the official flight plan? That might be the easiest lead to follow.

92 posted on 03/13/2014 8:58:02 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: bigdaddy45

Under the radar, im talking


93 posted on 03/13/2014 8:58:24 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Revolting cat!

depends on if it is fully loaded....but it the takeoff length of a runway is always longer than the landing length. I’d guess about 8,000 feet as a minimum to land one. You need about 12000 feet to take off fully loaded.


94 posted on 03/13/2014 8:58:37 PM PDT by superfries
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To: Delta Dawn

How do you “make passengers jump out of a plane over the Indian Ocean”??? Just tell them to line up and jump? You don’t think over 200 passengers are going to fight back??? Sheeeesh.


95 posted on 03/13/2014 8:59:22 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: gooblah

speculation and theories that have NO verifiable data. Unnamed sources from unnamed ‘agencies’ are meaningless.

For whatever else we know of this we can be sure...1) there is a plane missing and 2)it will not end well


96 posted on 03/13/2014 9:00:06 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: gaijin

I fear the final destination will be Israel.


97 posted on 03/13/2014 9:00:37 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: bigdaddy45

I assume there is access to the ventilation system through avionics. You don’t think the pilots could smuggle gas masks and knockout gas grenades on board? That is what I’d do if I was trying to hijack it.


98 posted on 03/13/2014 9:01:11 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: bigdaddy45

People who don’t know where something’s at send out search party’s of 40-50 ships and 40-50 aircraft to search. Someone knows exactly where something’s at sends out one ship. The US Navy sent one ship there today.


99 posted on 03/13/2014 9:01:36 PM PDT by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: barmag25

Do you think they could make it to Somalia? Then fly over Saudia Arabia or the Gulf and into Israeli air-space?


100 posted on 03/13/2014 9:02:19 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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