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Suit seeks removal of Bladensburg cross
Washington Post ^ | 03/01/2014 | Michael E. Ruane

Posted on 03/13/2014 8:01:15 PM PDT by Pyro7480

The American Humanist Association filed a lawsuit last week in federal court in Maryland calling for the removal of Bladensburg’s 40-foot Memorial Peace Cross, which honors men from Prince George’s County who died during World War I.

The association and three individual plaintiffs contend that the cross, which is on state property, violates the constitutional principle of separation of church and state. The cross was dedicated in 1925.

...One of the individual plaintiffs, Steven Lowe of Washington, contends that the cross "associates a Christian religious symbol with the state and gives the impression that the state supports and approves of Christianity, as opposed to other religions," the suit says.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: atheist; bladensburg; bladensburgcross; cross; maryland; memorial; princegeorgescounty; veterans; worldwar; worldwari; ww1; wwi
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I've driven past this cross on a couple of occasion on the way to nearby Hyattsville.

These "freethinkers" dishonor and desecrate the memory of the honored dead. They should be resisted to the last breath.

1 posted on 03/13/2014 8:01:16 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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A letter writer put it best in the Post:

..."Since its dedication in 1925, it has become part of the cultural foundation and unity of all people. To remove it would be a travesty. This would be as blatant an act of religious destruction as the Taliban's demolition in Afghanistan of two of the largest Buddhas in the world."

2 posted on 03/13/2014 8:03:18 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

Well, these militant atheists have the same mindset as the Taliban do. Not surprising to see this brought up.


3 posted on 03/13/2014 8:05:50 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Pyro7480

Amen. It’s so beautiful. Only a black and shriveled soul could hate it.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 8:06:24 PM PDT by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines - Clinging to my Bible and my guns for dear life.)
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To: Pyro7480

It’s not so much the “freethinkers” who distance our country from God but those who have the last voice in these matters — the deciding judges.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 8:06:32 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


6 posted on 03/13/2014 8:06:59 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

Anybody who’d want to remove the Peace Cross needs to be handed over to the nearest psycho ward on a permanent basis.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 8:08:50 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Pyro7480
One of the individual plaintiffs, Steven Lowe of Washington, contends that the cross "associates a Christian religious symbol with the state and gives the impression that the state supports and approves of Christianity, as opposed to other religions," the suit says.

He is exactly correct. This is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles. Too bad that he hates God.

8 posted on 03/13/2014 8:09:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Pyro7480
...and gives the impression that the state supports and approves of Christianity, as opposed to other religions...

Faulty logic You could just as easily say that it gives the impression that the State affirms the right to religious expression.

In addition, ATHEISTS HAVE NO STANDING.

Atheism is NOT a religion, by definition.

9 posted on 03/13/2014 8:11:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Pyro7480
The plaintif may as well sue the State of Maryland to change its name while he's at it.

It appears to endorse the mother of that C-word guy.

10 posted on 03/13/2014 8:12:18 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: athelass

These atheists are perhaps sometimes not reacting against what Christianity actually is supposed to be, but against how hypocrites propound it.

Christianity has lost its “first love” all too often. And yielding to the siren song of government usurpation (the original reason for not letting government intrude on faith) has hastened this process.

There’s nothing to do but to embrace a loving Lord once more and then share that extra special love directly. Don’t “let George do it.” Do it yourselves.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dagnabitt

Maryland actually got its name from another Mary, the wife of a king for whom the territory was named in honor.

Virginia is a better reference to the Virgin Mary.


12 posted on 03/13/2014 8:17:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Pyro7480

I do not mind Atheists. As Jefferson said, they “neither break my leg nor pick my pocket.” But when they try to force their religion on the rest of us, then I have a problem. The militant Atheists must be opposed, just like the militant Muslims.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 8:18:04 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Pyro7480
Is Steven Lowe of Washington an atheist?

What a jerk!

Ain't HE going to be in for a giant SURPRISE when he meets our Lord?

14 posted on 03/13/2014 8:18:18 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Pyro7480
Steven Lowe isn't taliban as the taliban BELIEVE that God in on their side. Lowe is living in his own little godless world where he doesn't want God to exist.

The Taliban and Lowe will get their day before the Lord.

15 posted on 03/13/2014 8:22:00 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Pyro7480
Do these groups do anything besides suing to get rid of crosses on public land? Anything at all?
16 posted on 03/13/2014 8:23:47 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: cloudmountain

He and his associates do believe, though, like the Taliban, that their destruction (intended in this case) is justified by their ideology.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 8:24:26 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Talisker

The fact is that there is no establishment of Religion by putting up a cross. What Religion would it be????? Baptist? Catholic? Presbyterian?

This whole Marxist thing is to destroy the meaning of words. They are destroying “Rule of Law” by making up stuff in the Constitution that is NOT there. There is Freedom OF Religion.....and they are ONLY censoring Christianity out of the public square——not Satanism which is the promotion of sodomy and they use the White House to promote that Religious Rite and use our “Justice” system to force sodomy rites (Satanism) on people.

Atheism is as much of a ‘faith” as Christianity-—Fact is, no cross is forcing the Atheist religion on us.

The free expression of Religion includes in the “public” square and that Freedom is in the first Amendment and the Supreme Law. It is historical and Traditional....in American Jurisprudence......can’t separate Religion from the people, anyhow, without censorship of speech, which is NOT ALLOWED!!

It is time to put Christianity back in the place it was at the Founding....it is the only Rational religion which is in line with Natural Law Theory and our Justice (ethical) System.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 8:24:59 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: kristinn

Ping!


19 posted on 03/13/2014 8:28:25 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480
He and his associates do believe, though, like the Taliban, that their destruction (intended in this case) is justified by their ideology.

Lol. Boy is HE in for a surprise when he finds out that, in Arabic, Jesus is "ISSA" and there are TONS of stores named after "Issa" all over the country.

The Saudi Muslims respected ISSA very much as a wonderful prophet, miracle worker and man.

Boy, will Lowe ever feel LOW when he learns THAT. Sorry, I couldn't resist!

20 posted on 03/13/2014 8:33:35 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: savagesusie

Christian faith had earned the place it had at the founding.

Various groups of worshipers who had been serious enough about the faith to emigrate to the New World gave the faith a head start (or rather, the Lord gave the faith a head start through them).

What has the faith been doing recently to earn social notice for the Lord?

I think it’s gotten spoiled. The result is going to be more trials and tribulations. Forget whether a concrete symbolic figure of a cross is standing. Are you lifting the cross high in your own life? That’s what’s going to count long after this figure is gone.


21 posted on 03/13/2014 8:36:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Pyro7480
"associates a Christian religious symbol with the state and gives the impression that the state supports and approves of Christianity, as opposed to other religions,"

The understanding the founding fathers had when they agreed to the US Constitution and BIll of Rights is the only understanding which is not based on fraud. A Constitution is like a contract for a nation. It means what it means. If the meaning is changed because some party wants to change it, it is a breaking of the agreement which the Constitution embodies. Shortly after signing the Bill of Rights, both houses of congress and the President did much more than allow crosses on state property...they declared a day of thanksgiving to God with non denominational Christian language. Obviously then, the meaning of the First Amendments Religious Liberty clause did not include the fraudulent meaning these anti-religious nut jobs are trying to assign to it.

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness....Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

22 posted on 03/13/2014 8:44:24 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Pyro7480
This was recently posted on another thread and I liked it.

CONGRESS DECLARES BIBLE "THE WORD OF GOD" PUBLIC LAW 97-280 OCT. 4, 1982

23 posted on 03/13/2014 8:49:46 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Pyro7480

The worthless bastards, they want war, let them have it, now. By their own boasts atheists are nothing more than walking piles of hot compost. Not much to respect there.

I drive past the Crossville TN Cross on I-40 every few days. It is gigantic and fills my soul with warmth & hope.

Meanwhile patience for these Cross-haters is at an end.


24 posted on 03/13/2014 8:55:47 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Pyro7480

This is called the “Peace Cross” and it is one of my oldest memories, dating back to the 50’s.
It was a landmark on our trips to my grandparents.

My understanding the meaning of “peace” has changed over the years. It is especially important to me now that it is the Peace CROSS because I have peace with God BECAUSE of the Cross!

I would hate to see it taken down but it is not stained with the blood of Jesus Christ. I would hate to see it taken down if even one person were to ever look at it in the future and ask, “How can I be saved?”

I rest knowing that God is in control, not His enemy. His enemy was DEFEATED at the cross. Satan HATES the Cross.

I love it.


25 posted on 03/13/2014 8:59:47 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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Atheists are idiots.


26 posted on 03/13/2014 9:06:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: varmintman

“Anybody who’d want to remove the Peace Cross needs to be handed over to the nearest psycho ward on a permanent basis”

The same could be said of someone who talks to a 2000 year old dead Jew. And expects an answer.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 9:42:32 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Pyro7480

Dedicated in 1925. They had 90 years to get rid of it, why is it upsetting to them now?

If they didn’t like it they should have filed suit before 1925.


28 posted on 03/13/2014 9:42:34 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Virginia is a better reference to the Virgin Mary.”

I believe Virginia was named for Elizabeth I “The Virgin Queen,” although I may be wrong.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 9:48:55 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Pyro7480
If you search the Constitution for “nobility,” you get two hits:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

Naturally, then, if no title of nobility is to exist in the United States, we can conclude that “Lord” will not appear in the Constitution? Not so:
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names.
Now the question naturally arises, “What ‘Lord’ was conventionally thought, in the twelfth year of the independence of the United States, to have been born 'one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven’ years earlier?” The answer is plain as the nose on your face. The explicit name “Jesus” is not mentioned in the Constitution - but to say of the year thought to have been the birth of Jesus “the year of our Lord” - capitalized, no less - is to say, “Jesus Christ is Lord.” In sum, it is to claim to be a Christian. And this was in the document which was ratified by the states.

It is illogical to claim that the Constitution is a warrant to tear down Christian crosses.


30 posted on 03/14/2014 12:59:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ("Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: elcid1970

The large cross is in Cookeville, TN :)


31 posted on 03/14/2014 4:30:13 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Pyro7480

If you know of a good legal history/philosophy treatise that shows how the Freedom of Religion became the “freedom from religion” please share it.

I understand that most law schools are liberal run and liberal taught, but this is inexplicable. The Constitution is clear. The government may not establish a state religion. This isn’t establishing anything because it lacks the force of law and government coercion. Ignore the cross as you would any ad you don’t like.


32 posted on 03/14/2014 5:34:28 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Talisker

Doesn’t our Bill of Rights expressly deny our government the power to “establish” Atheism as our one-and-only “national” religion?


33 posted on 03/14/2014 5:52:14 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Good point. Thanks!


34 posted on 03/14/2014 6:00:09 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Good point. Thanks!


35 posted on 03/14/2014 6:00:31 AM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: CrappieLuck

Heh, heh! Not the first time I’ve made that error!

Cookeville & Crossville are just a few exits from each other.

So, dadgummit, why isn’t the huge Cross located in Crossville, anyhow? Would make more sense IMO.

Solution: a local Crossville church should erect an even bigger Cross on an even higher summit overlooking I-40, and REALLY send the aythees into orbit!

;^)


36 posted on 03/14/2014 6:46:07 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I thought VA was named for the Virgin Queen Elizabeth I..


37 posted on 03/14/2014 7:47:32 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: elcid1970

LOL I’ve often thought the same thing


38 posted on 03/14/2014 9:36:45 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Pyro7480

“...To remove it would be a travesty. This would be as blatant an act of religious destruction as the Taliban’s demolition in Afghanistan of two of the largest Buddhas in the world.”

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Excellent comparison!

May God forgive me for the hatred I feel for these Christophobes.


39 posted on 03/14/2014 11:29:30 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Dagnabitt

The plaintif may as well sue the State of Maryland to change its name while he’s at it.

(((
Actually, many think that Maryland was named for Blessed Mary, Mother of Christ, but it was actually named for Queen Henrietta Maria, wife of King Charles I of England.


40 posted on 03/14/2014 11:35:29 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red
Speaking of Maryland, how dare the state dedicate a similar monument to the first landing of the Europeans in the state!


41 posted on 03/14/2014 11:49:14 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

Oh, yes, I have been there. Lovely monument. Early in its history Maryland was dedicated to freedom of religion.


42 posted on 03/14/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Pyro7480

The Toleration Act was passed in 1649 at St. Mary’s City:

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Maryland’s gift to the common cause was this Act Concerning Religion— one of the pioneer statutes passed by the legislative body of an organized colonial government to guarantee any degree of religious liberty. Specifically, the bill, now usually referred to as the Toleration Act, granted freedom of conscience to all Christians.

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/speccol/sc2200/sc2221/000025/html/intro.html

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Unfortunately, Jews were not afforded protection under this law, but it was a start....


43 posted on 03/14/2014 2:18:37 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Pyro7480

Somebody wants to get rid of a WWI memorial? I wonder what kind of person would do such a thing. Of course there’s this one;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glade_of_the_Armistice


44 posted on 03/14/2014 2:42:06 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: PLMerite

Doctor Who says he took care of that title for the queen.


45 posted on 03/14/2014 2:44:13 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: BigCinBigD

If he were dead, you’d have a valid point.

He’s alive.

Now, it is reasonable for you to insist that there be support for this claim, and I would not be the least offended at you for asking, nor would I fail to provide some, here.

My claim that Jesus is not dead is that same truth-claim made by the early gospel writers, and by unknown thousands of adherents to the Christian faith these past 20 centuries. In support of that historic claim I affirm that I have personally and thoroughly vetted the claim for myself, and experientially determined that it is, in fact, true. I have lived the life of Christian faith for more than 30 years, and in that time my compiled personal experiences have conclusively demonstrated to me that there truly exists an unseen, yet evident, living, vibrant Personality Who answers to the name “Jesus,” Who interacts in a relational fashion with mortal man, and Who has the demonstrated capability to do everything in this present day that He did during his ministry on Earth incarnate as a man among men.

The difficulty for you is just this: knowing it is all true comes AFTER — and ONLY after — believing it is all true. Only AFTER the investment of faith in the truth of what you have been told can you begin to experience for yourself that it really is true. But that investment of faith is only difficult if you resist doing it. And if you are resistant, then I assert that you must present a more compelling rationale for resisting faith (against the threat of...what, exactly?) than I, and countless others, have presented in favor of embracing faith.

So. Here, now, without pretension or pomposity; bearing you only goodwill and hope for a glimmer of revelation; I leave you to your own devices concerning what I have written. I pray you consider faith well, for I know that — once you ascribe to it — you will find it worthwhile.


46 posted on 03/14/2014 3:58:17 PM PDT by HKMk23 (The Superior Culture will prevail.)
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To: Pyro7480; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; Bigg Red; ...

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

47 posted on 03/14/2014 7:42:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Impy

Let’s look at the money trail. Who pays for their lawyers, offices, travel expenses, etc?

For once the IRS could actually do an useful investigation of our internal enemies.


48 posted on 03/15/2014 8:51:38 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Here in San Diego, the fight over the Mt Solidad cross is paid by the people of San Diego. We have been in a continuous fight for decades and some lawyer got it through the city council to pay both sides. It has been a real cash cow for the ambulance chasers.


49 posted on 03/15/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by Foolsgold (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Virginia was probably named after Elizabeth I, the so-called Virgin Queen.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 10:16:03 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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