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Angela Davis, Nas discuss abolishing prisons (Useful Idiot Alert!)
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Posted on 03/14/2014 2:47:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Imagine there are no prisons; it may be hard to do.

Yet that is exactly what social activist Angela Davis challenged an audience of about 725 people to do Monday night at Lehigh University in Bethlehem.

The program’s topic was “Mass Incarceration: The Prison Industrial Complex.”

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She also is the author of eight books, including “Are Prisons Obsolete?” and a founding member of Critical Resistance, a national organization dedicated to the dismantling of the prison industrial complex by “challenging the belief that caging and controlling people makes us safe.”

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I have a suggestion. Let's try her example by closing one prison.....and mandating that all of the prisoners be put into her zip code.

1 posted on 03/14/2014 2:47:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

How about exiling them to remote islands in shark infested waters?


2 posted on 03/14/2014 2:52:46 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

I agree....lets shoot all the convicts.


3 posted on 03/14/2014 3:02:32 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: nuconvert
How about exiling them to remote islands in shark infested waters?

Yes, NYC is perfect.

4 posted on 03/14/2014 3:03:03 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Yorlik803

I didn’t say they should all be killed, just exiled where they can’t escape. They can have basic food & housing. It would be a lot cheaper than prison


5 posted on 03/14/2014 3:08:14 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Obviously there are no prisons in marxist countries.


6 posted on 03/14/2014 3:09:11 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Red in Blue PA

No prisons - pay fine, stand in public stocks, or death.


7 posted on 03/14/2014 3:09:35 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: Daveinyork

No...they have re-education camps. That’s where the convicts watch over innocent people.


8 posted on 03/14/2014 3:10:13 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Only violent criminals should be jailed.


9 posted on 03/14/2014 3:12:38 AM PDT by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: Bobalu

What these people are going for is a system where anything goes. No property rights. Re-Distribution 24/7.

Unless you are white of course.......


10 posted on 03/14/2014 3:14:36 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Reeses

“social activist”

This commie is much more than that. She is an outright POS. Should have been convicted for involvment in a jail break which ended up in a few deaths. Spent time in Cuba with a bunch of her bros like Huey Newton and Stokely Carmikeal. I am surprised his excellency has not appointed her to some post like attorney general in waiting.


11 posted on 03/14/2014 3:15:37 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Process them into Soylent and fed it to the liberal cannibals


12 posted on 03/14/2014 3:20:37 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Notice the article called her a “social activist” in the lead instead of a hard core COMMUNIST. Here are some examples of her social activism:

“She emerged as a nationally prominent counterculture activist and radical in the 1960s, as a leader of the Communist Party USA....She was twice a candidate for Vice President on the Communist Party USA ticket during the 1980s.

On August 7, 1970, Jonathan Jackson, a heavily armed 17-year-old African-American high-school student, gained control over a courtroom in Marin County, California. Once in the courtroom, Jackson armed the black defendants and took Judge Harold Haley, the prosecutor, and three female jurors as hostages.[17][18] As Jackson transported the hostages and two black convicts away from the courtroom, the police began shooting at the vehicle. The judge and the three black men were killed in the melee; one of the jurors and the prosecutor were injured.

Davis had purchased the firearms used in the attack, including the shotgun used to kill Haley, which had been bought two days prior and the barrel sawed off.[18] Since California considers “all persons concerned in the commission of a crime, whether they directly commit the act constituting the offense... principals in any crime so committed,”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Davis

She was found not guilty later in an OJ type trial.


13 posted on 03/14/2014 3:21:10 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Mouton

She’s trying to pave the way for her future career as a “prisoner”. No jails, no prison needed.

Useful idiot for certain.


14 posted on 03/14/2014 3:21:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Uncle Lonny

btt


15 posted on 03/14/2014 3:26:36 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Red in Blue PA

Maybe if it was all Whiteys in prison, she’d change her mind.


16 posted on 03/14/2014 3:33:24 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Red in Blue PA

We need prisons but the prison system as we know it could use some correcting.

Too often we send people to prison only to see them emerge years later worse than they were when we sent them there. Years of GenPop exposes them to the worst of humanity where they either must plumb new depths of depravity to survive and/or learn new depths of negative behavior. We too often wind up creating new monsters while trying to punish the ones we fear most.

I don’t know what the answer is. But, the current system is far, far from ideal,


17 posted on 03/14/2014 3:33:56 AM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA

Agree. And I would also decriminalize some drugs. If you want to do drugs, you should be free to poison your own body.

Prohibition did not work, and neither will the war on drugs, no matter how much money is spent.


18 posted on 03/14/2014 3:42:20 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Uncle Lonny

You are correct, she is a POS. She should have been fried in Cal in 70. Spent time in Cuba with Huey Newton and Stokley Carmickael I believe. She is an avowed commie and a prominent official in the anti “white society” movement. Her anti incarceration activities are a ruse. Another of the social justice types; their thoughts alone are anathma to our society.

I am only surprised that his excellency has not appointed her to some position in the DOJ, perhaps attorney general in waiting.


19 posted on 03/14/2014 3:42:32 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Progov

The sad part is that she was apparently well received at Lehigh University, allegedly a respectable institution.


20 posted on 03/14/2014 3:43:25 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I will be the first to agree that there are a lot of people in prison who shouldn’t be there. But there are a whole lot more who need to be locked up. The trick is identifying the first group from the second.


21 posted on 03/14/2014 3:47:05 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Red in Blue PA

I have long said that most prisons should be closed. Prison creates monsters (and yes, of course, there are some monsters there who were like that before they went to prison).

In order for the Jim Noble close all prisons plan to work, 3 things need to happen:

1) Radical expansion of the death penalty.
2) Physical punishment for property crimes and drug offenses
3) Creation of an offshore island isolation facility for lifelong incarceration for certain violent crimes (those where the offender is not executed).


22 posted on 03/14/2014 3:50:41 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Uncle Lonny

WOW!


23 posted on 03/14/2014 3:53:17 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Prohibition did not work, and neither will the war on drugs, no matter how much money is spent.”

I draw a lot from Prohibition. When a serious percentage of the population says “We don’t care what the law is, we’re going to do it anyways” then the law becomes virtually unenforceable. We had it with alcohol. We now have it with various and sundry mind altering substances.

How many prisons do we need to fill? How much money do we need to spend on enforcement? How militant and overpowering do we need to make our law enforcement? At this point, am I more worried about some guy in my neighborhood firing up a joint every now and then or the myriad, various militarized local/state/federal agencies using unreasonable force wantonly to “protect me” from that guy?

Seriously.


24 posted on 03/14/2014 4:00:11 AM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA

No behavior disappears just because engaging in it can lead to a prison sentence. But the fact that making a behavior illegal fails to stop it does not mean it should be legalized. Legalizing the behavior only leads to a lot more of it.


25 posted on 03/14/2014 4:04:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: FAA

Gun laws too punish those far too often punish those who have done no wrong and are not enforced equally (see example of David Gregory for that). Repeal all gun laws so in fact there are zero gun laws, and all drug laws......government’s role should be very limited.

Unfortunately we have gotten to a point where we expect the opposite.


26 posted on 03/14/2014 4:06:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FAA

Forgot to add.....what is the harm with doing away with all gun laws or all drug laws?

Will you suddenly go out and start pumping your body with drugs? I know I will not, nor will anyone in my family.


27 posted on 03/14/2014 4:07:49 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Too bad she didn't "imagine there are no prisons" and think "prisons obsolete" when on her extended pilgrimage through her idealized Soviet block countries (before the collapse)! She was then called out for it by a genuine champion of liberty and enemy of oppression - author & dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn .

In fact when Czech prisoners had appealed for her support (having heard of her opposition to prisons in the US) the Commie lackey refused them. Her history of being only against prisons in non-Communist countries is a fact that only a propagandist could ignore.


Davis as honored guest of regime members of the East German Communist prison state.

28 posted on 03/14/2014 4:18:21 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Red in Blue PA

Angela Davis is a despicable hardcore Communist who made a very nice and comfortable living off the system she abhors.

When she no longer draws breath, the world will be a better place.

That she now deludes anew generation is abhorrent.


29 posted on 03/14/2014 4:18:42 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exDemMom

” Legalizing the behavior only leads to a lot more of it.”

Maybe to some marginal degree, but, on the whole I can’t agree. Alcohol is cheap and legal to the U.S. population but does everyone go around drunk all day? No. Why? There are clear and severe punishments to misusing and abusing it. Not possessing or buying it, but, to misusing it. Drive drunk? Go to jail. Come to work drunk. Get fired. Practical restrictions that people understand and feel in their day-to-day lives.

Make some drugs legal and I don’t see any serious percentage of the U.S. population en masse going out and getting “baked.” Largely I believe that those who are interested are already doing it and those who have no interest in it will not suddenly be lured by it. I have no interest in something like marijuana and not because it’s illegal but because it just doesn’t appeal to me in any way. I’ll have some drinks on you but that’s about all. Were we to suddenly reenact Prohibition I can guarantee you that I’d still find a way to have those few drinks regardless of what any damned politicians voted for.

Again, I’m a law-and-order straight laced kind of guy but I am increasingly less concerned with the occasional recreational user (with sufficient laws in place for misuse) than I am the state apparatus that grows and feeds on the industry of keeping me “safe” from it.


30 posted on 03/14/2014 4:19:02 AM PDT by FAA
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To: exit82

Which is worse?

Her giving a speech on closing all prisons with her violent background?

Or Lehigh University paying her to come and speak to young minds? (and applauding her)


31 posted on 03/14/2014 4:20:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Without a justice system that works, folks will rezort to vigilante justice.

A man’s wife gets raped? Perp is going to do the oak tree neck stretch. Someone steals my car? I burn down their house.


32 posted on 03/14/2014 4:22:39 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s one way to cut down on the number of incarcerated black criminals.


33 posted on 03/14/2014 4:23:57 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Will you suddenly go out and start pumping your body with drugs? I know I will not, nor will anyone in my family.”

No, no interest. Change the law and my interest level will not change. I suspect that represents a serious percentage of the population as well. You either want the sensation it provides or you don’t, law really matters little.

What matters here is where our national priorities are, what we’re spending tax dollars on, how we’re altering society with those policies..........and whether or not we’re truly better off as a society for it.

War on Poverty? Utter. Failure.

I can’t say the “War on Drugs” is substantially any better.


34 posted on 03/14/2014 4:27:48 AM PDT by FAA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Truly,I think the latter, as she is afforded an opportunity to affect a new generation of skulls full of mush.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 4:31:38 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another 60’s radical turned criminal turned academic. What varied careers they have.


36 posted on 03/14/2014 4:36:15 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

So Angela, release violent predators into the population? Brilliant /sarc


37 posted on 03/14/2014 4:36:43 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I agree with that, but protect kids from drugs. Have providing kids with drugs still be a crime.


38 posted on 03/14/2014 4:38:06 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Why Have Penitentiaries Anyway?

Most people realize that the court and penal systems in North America are seriously broken and must be fixed, yet contemplating doing away with penitentiaries sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? Barely 200 years ago, an experiment began which has cost us untold billions of dollars. Just last year, this experiment resulted in 1.4 million adults incarcerated in federal and state penitentiaries (a figure which has quadrupled since 1980) at a cost of nearly $40,000 each.

As Alan Elsner pointed out in a recent Washington Post article, 2.2 million people are engaged in catching criminals and putting and keeping them behind bars, and “corrections” has become one of the largest sectors of the U.S. economy, employing more people than the combined workforces of General Motors, Ford and Wal-Mart, the three biggest corporate employers in the country. In many “prison town” counties, the number one employer is the Department of Corrections. This is a staggering expense of over $50 billion, an amount that increases by additional billions for each year of the last 25 years of explosive prison growth. As the prison population ages, the taxpayer is paying for medical procedures he can’t afford for himself, and the victims of these criminals realize no compensation at all.

Few realize that the first penitentiary in the world was founded in Philadelphia in 1792. Jails had always existed for the purpose of holding the accused until trial, after which the guilty would pay a fine, make restitution to the victim, be banished, be executed, etc. However, the concept of warehousing criminals to cause them to repent was entirely new.

Imagine a criminal justice system where penitentiaries didn’t even exist, but where a person paid for his crimes rather than having society pay to keep him incarcerated.

One such nation existed. If you stole someone’s property, say a sheep, and were caught with the animal in your possession, you repaid the victim with two sheep, but you didn’t go to a penitentiary. The victim also got a financial settlement, satisfying the desire for victim restitution in our time.

If you sold the stolen sheep, thereby being more involved in the crime, you paid the victim four sheep.

If you committed a capital crime, (murder, rape, kidnapping, etc.) you paid with your life, but you didn’t go to a penitentiary. Such facilities didn’t exist in this nation. They were not needed.

Such a system would completely do away with our newest growth industry, penitentiaries, and restore the victim of crime financially.

I’m not going to tell you where I got the idea for this system, but it’s from a reliable source. Of course, it will never happen here because a powerful lobby has grown up around the prison system that will fight hard to protect the status quo. Correction officers have formed powerful labor unions, and their financial contributions to our politicians will easily outweigh the will of the people. I know, I know, I’m such a young man to be so cynical.

Samuel G. Dawson


39 posted on 03/14/2014 4:46:48 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: FAA

Alcohol is a fairly benign substance. You don’t take a sip of alcohol and become permanently brain damaged from it. Typically, to be damaged by it, someone needs to drink fairly heavily for years. Our bodies have evolved mechanisms for dealing with alcohol, for the reason that it is a common adulterant in foods through microbial activity (not so much an issue these days, with modern food preservation techniques).

Many drugs physically change the brain, even after one use. They cause damage that drives a person to seek out more of that drug, because one of the parts of the brain damaged controls self-restraint. Marijuana affects a person’s initiative—pot-heads become incapable of doing anything besides look for the next joint. Different people are affected differently in how much brain damage they receive. The fact is that it doesn’t matter how much someone swears they will only try a drug one time, or they will only use it “recreationally—that single use is enough to addict some people. Some drugs are so potent that everyone who tries them becomes addicted (look up “krokodil”).

Legalizing these drugs can only lead to more addiction and more of the related problems. The best way to prevent drug addiction is to prevent people from ever trying the drugs.


40 posted on 03/14/2014 4:49:25 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: FNU LNU

and if the convicted is penniless?


41 posted on 03/14/2014 4:50:49 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: exDemMom

” The best way to prevent drug addiction is to prevent people from ever trying the drugs.”

And the current “War on Drugs” is doing that? When drugs are everywhere, prevalent, cheap, and, available in the best of neighborhoods? Has making things illegal prevented people from trying them? No. It has hiked my taxes and robbed me of freedoms I use to have. We wantonly incarcerate tens of thousands and spend untold billions a year for an ideal that has born little out in the real world for the last half century.

While we want the same things our approach and understanding of reality are different.


42 posted on 03/14/2014 4:56:40 AM PDT by FAA
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To: Red in Blue PA; Jimmy Valentine's brother

This woman has been a hard left lunatic for a very long time. How she has a university position when she should be picking cotton is a mystery.


43 posted on 03/14/2014 5:01:47 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: FAA

I think I would label your approach “we’ll treat you like an adult unless and until you prove otherwise”. Administrate it like alcohol- buy it, consume it, it’s your business. Show up in public all sloppy drunk/high/stoned and act like a jerk nope, sorry can’t do that. Try to buy more of said alcohol/pot/cocaine while clearly drunk/high/strung out, nope sorry-no more for you(for now). Hurt or kill others while drunk/high/stoned, go to jail- do not collect $200.
That would effectively make it about the persons responsibiity and behavior towards others while consuming said substances and not about the substance per se. Perhaps that’s the way it should be. Just thinking it through.

CC


44 posted on 03/14/2014 5:07:43 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Imagine a broader use of the death penalty. It’s easy if you try, no ex prisoners preying on society, no prisons needed if they die.


45 posted on 03/14/2014 5:10:41 AM PDT by pallis
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To: yldstrk

Furnishing alcohol, a legal drug to minors is a crime already so That’s something that should carry over to drugs. Perfectly reasonable.

CC


46 posted on 03/14/2014 5:13:55 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Jimmy Valentine; Red in Blue PA

I can’t believe the University brought this b*tch back to speak again (for a fee). She is an avowed communist ran for Vice President on the Communist Party ticket (not discussed in the article). Maybe while Angea was there she interviewed for University President. Current President is off to London.


47 posted on 03/14/2014 5:21:45 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("When leftists don’t get their way, they start shooting people and bombing buildings." - rr)
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To: Celtic Conservative

“That would effectively make it about the persons responsibiity and behavior towards others while consuming said substances and not about the substance per se. Perhaps that’s the way it should be. Just thinking it through”

Precisely, CC.

Controlling sale and possession has proven a failure. As with alcohol in the past. Punishing behavior and abuse is more effective and realistic in my mind. It’t not about whether the substance or act is truly evil or not but rather about what the practical levels of realistic control are.

Keeping people from having substances they want? Not. Going. To. Happen. Try to control the conduct in which it is used and consumed? More practical and realistic to me.


48 posted on 03/14/2014 5:23:07 AM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA
Too often we send people to prison only to see them emerge years later worse than they were when we sent them there. Years of GenPop exposes them to the worst of humanity where they either must plumb new depths of depravity to survive and/or learn new depths of negative behavior. We too often wind up creating new monsters while trying to punish the ones we fear most.

That's because we don't really have prisons. We have "rehabilitation facilities". People are not punished for their crimes they are only sent to camp for a while.

Prisoners should NEVER have contact with other prisoners. They should never leave their cell until their sentence is served. Lock them up, lose the key. Slide food through a slot in the door.

No more prison riots. No more moslems recruitment. No more sexual acticity in the prisons. We could cut out prison staffs by 80 percent and still have far better security.

Of course we'd need to develop a backbone. Prisoner goes on a hunger strike (for example)? Let him starve. Slide the food in and remove it at the normal time. If he chooses not to eat, not our problem.

The only weakness to this is it relies on having a just government and we are far from that at the moment

49 posted on 03/14/2014 5:24:33 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Red in Blue PA

Lehigh is formerly a respectable institution. As founded by Asa Packer, the Lehigh was to train young men in engineering and business. If one wanted a “liberal” education, the student could go to Yale or Harvard. Now the largest undergraduate college is the Arts College. Athletic teams are identified as “Mountain Hawks”, a non existent bird, instead of “The Engineers.” Don’t get this Engineer started.


50 posted on 03/14/2014 5:36:39 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("When leftists don’t get their way, they start shooting people and bombing buildings." - rr)
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