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Georgia Republicans Ram Gun Ban Through
email from georgia gun owners ^ | 3/13/2014 | D. R. Leonard

Posted on 03/14/2014 3:43:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga

NRA endorsed Republican State Senators Jesse Stone and Hunter Hill rammed gun control through the Senate Judiciary Non-Civil Committee late yesterday.

Just like that, HB 875 became nothing more than a piece of trash.

But the news is even worse than that . . .

NRA lobbyists at the Capitol continue to play games with gun owners, saying they "have the Senate covered," yet their endorsed elected officials routinely stab gun owners in the back.

The Executive Director of another gun group at the Capitol, Georgia Carry, said this last week about the gun bill in the Senate: "Expect them to pass it with some changes and not necessarily bad changes."

Virtually every Senator causing problems is both NRA and Georgia Carry endorsed! Not to mention both the Governor and Lt. Governor are endorsed by them as well.

Are these gun groups naive, power hungry or just afraid to tell their endorsed friends how wrong they are!

We certainly aren't afraid to call out gun-grabbing Republicans when we see them!

We call Senator Stone's and Senator Hill's gun control compromise the "Little Lautenberg Gun Ban."

They added language into the bill that would ban a whole new class of people from getting a weapons license in Georgia for something as simple as spanking your child too hard or getting into verbal disagreement with your ex-spouse.

A similar bill was passed at the federal level in the late 1990s -- the Lautenberg Gun Ban.

It has disarmed hundreds of thousands since it's enactment.

But what's even worse, the new version of HB 875 also gutted "church carry" and added a brand new mental health mandate, banning those who receive "involuntary treatment" from possessing a firearm FOREVER!

Banned for something as simple as being ordered to alcohol rehab at some point in your life!

There are now two gun bills still alive -- HB 60 and HB 875. Both are sitting in the Senate waiting for action.

But at this point, with Governor Deal and Lt. Governor Cagle now in full control, gun owners should be on guard for last-second gun control compromise language.

There are just TWO days [next Tuesday and Thursday] left in this session of the General Assembly.

GGO will not be supporting any nasty compromise, and neither should you.

That's why it's vital you call the Governor, Lt. Governor and Senate President Pro Temp AT ONCE!

Tell them you will not support any compromise of your gun rights and that you expect them to stop trying to kill gun bills!

Call Governor Nathan Deal >>> 404-656-1776

Call Lt. Governor Casey Cagle >>> 404-656-5030

Call Sen. President Pro Temp David Schafer >>> 404-656-0048

Thank you for taking action.

We'll be sure to keep you updated on all the latest developments.

Best regards,

D.R. Leonard
Political Director


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; lautenbergban
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This is from an email alert I received last night. Neither the NRA nor Republicans are friends of gun owners.
1 posted on 03/14/2014 3:43:10 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga

Republicans ? Yes

But the NRA? You’ve drunk the Koolaid. Watch where you get your info.


2 posted on 03/14/2014 3:52:02 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: from occupied ga

“There are those born in every generation that mean to rule wisely... But they DO mean to RULE.”

There’s just something about power that turns principled men and women into tyrants.


3 posted on 03/14/2014 3:54:57 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: from occupied ga

GA Carry is saying the same thing.

Senators Jesse Stone and Hunter Hill Severely Weaken HB875

https://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/2014/03/13/senators-jesse-stone-and-hunter-hill-severely-weaken-hb875/


4 posted on 03/14/2014 3:55:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: from occupied ga
I agree with you 101% my friend. I'm a 67 yo gun/bulletsmith and I also don't trust the NRA. I dropped them approx.15 years ago and I doubt I even want to hear NRA anymore. I had a heated conversation with one of the board members over a category 3 issue (long story) and he was about as supportive as lead filled ballast tanks on a submarine. As far as I'm concerned I really wish to see another "pro ARMAMENT" organization start. Hell,,,, I'd be a charter member.

IN LIBERTY


5 posted on 03/14/2014 4:15:09 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: Vaquero
But the NRA? You’ve drunk the Koolaid.

Thank you Mr Alinsky. Have you ever lobbied for a progun organization at the GA legislature? No? I have. And I can assure you that the NRA lobbiests go around making all sorts of anti-gun "compromises" rather than holding the hard line. SO unless you know what you're talking about, which you obviously don't, I suggest you stick your Kool Aid, back in your pocket.

6 posted on 03/14/2014 4:16:07 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

NRA has been appeasers for at least two decades. I used to be a member.

Repeal 1986, 1968, 1934 or revolt.


7 posted on 03/14/2014 4:23:47 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: from occupied ga

If the NRA truly had our interests at heart, they would adopt the policy they once had, and oppose EVERY piece of gun control legislation. All that is gained in compromise is defeat. It may not come today, but the gun control people are satisfied with incremental wins, because they know that lots of incremental wins will add up to a complete win for them and a complete loss of rights for us.


8 posted on 03/14/2014 4:26:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: progunner
As far as I'm concerned I really wish to see another "pro ARMAMENT" organization start. Hell,,,, I'd be a charter member.

Then you check better damn well be in the mail TODAY.

https://gunowners.org/

9 posted on 03/14/2014 4:27:25 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: from occupied ga

I would drop the NRA in a heartbeat and switch to the Gun Owners of America, but the local gun range requires NRA membership in order to use their range.


10 posted on 03/14/2014 4:29:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: progunner

If it wasn’t for the NRA, there would presently be a new federal assault weapon ban and a ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds on the books. Guaranteed. They held the line despite immense pressure to compromise and now look where we’re at brother- CCWs everwhere and you can’t walk down the street without tripping over an AR15 and a whole new generation of shooters and reloaders and more coming every year. We are winning and when you’re winning, I think you should focus on continuing to do whatever it is that causes you to win, i.e. support the NRA. Lifetime member here and proud of it.


11 posted on 03/14/2014 4:31:26 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: from occupied ga

You are absolutely “on target”!!!! For years I’ve been saying that the NRA is the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton faction of the gun rights community. They have no reason to want total gun freedom. If we got rid of all gun laws they’d put themselves out of work/huge salaries and out of their big glass tower in Fairfax!


12 posted on 03/14/2014 4:37:19 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: from occupied ga

I’m a life member of NYSRPA. That’s right NY. The NRA(also a life member) and its NY state affiate have been dumping tons of cash into the safe act war still going on here. Perhaps they figure if you live in GA you should need less help. Here on Long Island EVERY republican state senator save 1 voted FOR the safe act. They are in for a surprise this election season. The real enemy is GOPe. I wrote my republican senator and got the response that this safe act is the less of 2 evils. Really? Anyway there is a statewide grass roots effort to if not end the safe act then to at least kick the bums out.

But it’s good to know that GA is slipping into the dark side. When I retire and move elsewhere it will not be there. I think we are both happy with my decision.


13 posted on 03/14/2014 4:37:25 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Yo-Yo
Is this the same GOA that Chris Stark is affiliated with? I've got a VERY specific reason for asking that!!!!

IN LIBERTY


14 posted on 03/14/2014 4:38:37 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: from occupied ga

Ex-NRA member here.

There is still a “hunting and skeet shooting” stripe in them at times. They still support Dems who are just waiting to turn on them (Harry Reid.)

I’ll save my money.


15 posted on 03/14/2014 4:42:31 AM PDT by FAA
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To: RC one

The nra has done some good things. Ignoring their compromises and support for truly bad politicians does a lot of damage.


16 posted on 03/14/2014 4:46:42 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: BuffaloJack
the local gun range requires NRA membership in order to use their range

I've never experienced such a thing myself, but know others who have. Sort of like a "union shop," isn't it? I have a problem with such things to some degree, as well as the too-cozy CMP, etc relationships they have enjoyed for a century. Two friends of mine have gotten CMP Garands despite the fact that they do not actually take marksmanship seriously, yet other shooters I know who are dedicated but informal - thus they don't "do" NRA high-power - and the door will remain closed to them. Some taxpayers are more equal than others.

I used to belong to the NRA, but after many decades, I threw up my hands and let my membership lapse after one too many asinine - and in the proverbial "straw braking the came's back" case, indefensible - endorsements. I don't advocate that people stay away from the NRA, but they are in many ways part of the political class, with all the negatives that implies.

Mr. niteowl77

17 posted on 03/14/2014 4:51:31 AM PDT by niteowl77 ("Why do we go to Iowa? Because that's where the suckers are.")
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To: BuffaloJack
Well written,,,, THANK YOU....

IN LIBERTY>


18 posted on 03/14/2014 4:53:50 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Do you know how much money and power the NRA would lose if that happened?


19 posted on 03/14/2014 5:07:00 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

You don’t need a mealy-mouth lobby group if you have all the guns.


20 posted on 03/14/2014 5:11:36 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: progunner

I believe Chris Stark is with Gun Owners Alliance.


21 posted on 03/14/2014 5:25:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: from occupied ga
And I can assure you that the NRA lobbiests go around making all sorts of anti-gun "compromises" rather than holding the hard line.

That's one of the biggest reasons I faded from the NRA. Their backbone is comprised of jello. My mentioned conversation was in regards to a privately owned BAR by another cat. 3 FFL holder. WE PREVAILED WITHOUT THE AID OF THE NRA. NUFF SAID.

IN LIBERTY!!!!

22 posted on 03/14/2014 5:30:30 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: Yo-Yo
Your correct. I'll investigate this (must be fairly) new GOA. Thank you

IN LIBERTY!!!!

23 posted on 03/14/2014 5:35:17 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: progunner

I suppose compared to the NRA, GOA is fairly new. GOA was founded in 1975.


24 posted on 03/14/2014 5:41:04 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

NRA was instrumental in getting a mental health bill passed in South Dakota. Way too many folks with no understanding of the long history of NRA and the dangers of mental health bills. NRA is behind the move to strengthen NICS in every area as a supposed means to protect gun rights.

NICS would be the National Instant Criminal Background Check System the place your gun store calls to get your purchase approved, or disapprove and they are all in for expansion of background checks What is even more surprising is no mention of the one group that does not compromise nagr.org

Shall not be infringed covers things pretty well in my mind, so why do we need a background check for making people prohibited persons? Why has the NRA been around since 1871 and since 1934 has been a witness if not a participant in every egregious unconstitutional Federal infringement of the means to protect ourselves? Why, Why, Why?

As you have so eloquently have stated, it is time for Al and Jesse to move on, stop quibbling away what is God given and standing for everything that comes out of the Federal pipeline that is designed to remove as many folks as humanly possible from the roles of those who still have the “right” to bare arms. Believe me the spelling is intentional.

This thread is probably already in the vault of old threads, but at least I got to say my two cents worth.


25 posted on 03/14/2014 5:58:26 AM PDT by wita
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To: Yo-Yo

Between the hours of my full time job and running a gun shop I guess this version of GOA evaded me. I’m retired from my “full time” job now and just spend my spare time in my shop or in the back yard shooting.


26 posted on 03/14/2014 5:58:58 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: wita
NRA was instrumental in getting a mental health bill passed in South Dakota. Way too many folks with no understanding of the long history of NRA and the dangers of mental health bills. NRA is behind the move to strengthen NICS in every area as a supposed means to protect gun rights.

The NRA may have done some good things but they have failed us on many. When you are dealing with the second amendment there IS NO COMPROMISE. How in the hell does over 20,000 laws regarding "gun control" get on the books? Many of them were created by "feel good ideology". I sure would appreciate an answer from someone.

IN LIBERTY!!!!

27 posted on 03/14/2014 6:49:34 AM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: from occupied ga

More proof that the Republican Party is useless.


28 posted on 03/14/2014 8:04:54 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
More proof that the Republican Party is useless.

Only useless to conservatives. If you're a liberal or a "moderate" then they're not too bad.

29 posted on 03/14/2014 8:11:39 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: BuffaloJack

You’ll never convince NRA members that they have been “had” any more than you will persuade the little Republican primary voters that they too have long been snookered by “the leadership.”


30 posted on 03/14/2014 8:12:49 AM PDT by Theodore R. (It was inevitable: Texans will always be for Cornball and George P.!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
For years I’ve been saying that the NRA is the Jessie Jackson/Al Sharpton faction of the gun rights community.

I never thought of them that way, but I agree with you.

31 posted on 03/14/2014 8:13:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: The Working Man
There’s just something about power that turns principled men and women into tyrants.

Who says they were principled to start with? Some are, but I know enough current and former members of the GA general assembly to know that those who are truly principled hang on to their core beliefs and don't dive into the government mentality once they get elected. The late Bobby Franklin was a close personal friend, and he NEVER lost sight of who he was. Likewise Brian Joyce.

32 posted on 03/14/2014 8:17:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I’m afraid we made a big effing mistake when we elected Nathan Deal. He managed to shut down legislation last week that would have banned Common Core. The guy is no conservative. I feel embarrassed that I voted for him.

Legislation to institute constitutional carry has been held in committee for a long time now. You would think with both state houses controlled by republicans they would have passed it by now.


33 posted on 03/14/2014 8:37:49 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The guy is no conservative. I feel embarrassed that I voted for him

Once again conservatives were faced with the lesser of two evils. Would anyone with a brain really want to vote for Roy Barnes?

34 posted on 03/14/2014 8:59:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

At the time I thought Nathan Deal would be a good Governor. After the election the next thing I know he’s pushing SPLOST. Then its been one thing after another.


35 posted on 03/14/2014 9:16:26 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BuffaloJack

I was a member of a local gun club that required NRA membership as a condition of club membership. I inquired about what the club got from the NRA and was told that their insurance was considerably lower than anything else available. Of course the cutsey little awards and patches to be added to individual shooters vests also helped.

I resigned anyhow... Right after my NRA membership lapsed.


36 posted on 03/14/2014 9:28:45 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
After the election the next thing I know he’s pushing SPLOST.

I know Roy Barnes slightly, having dealt with him when he was in the legislature. I know what a liberal idealogue the guy is. Believe me when I say that Deal is your typical backstabbing Republican, but Barnes would have been like having the late and totally unlamented Maynard Jackson as governor.

37 posted on 03/14/2014 9:43:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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38 posted on 03/14/2014 9:57:56 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: from occupied ga

OH yeh no argument there. Roy Barnes was the Anti-Christ. When he lost to Sonny Purdue I stayed up til midnight to watch them talk him down off the roof. I loathe that guy for the midnight vote to get rid of the flag.

I miss Zell Miller. The only time in my life I ever voted for a Democrat. He was a better republican than most republicans are.


39 posted on 03/14/2014 11:00:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: from occupied ga
What about Zell Miller? From what I've heard he's the only RAT representative who was (he either was voted out or voluntarily left politics) truly a "Dixie-crat" meaning the Dems probably looked at him as a Dem In Name Only (DINO version of RINO).
40 posted on 03/14/2014 12:58:06 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

Zell Miller was once asked if he had left the Democratic party and he replied that the Democratic party had left him.


41 posted on 03/14/2014 1:34:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Joe Brower; All
This morning I started to ax, and then thought better of it, but now I'll go ahead and ax -

Wonder what ever happened to ol' "Plinker .025" or whatever he called himself?

...wait, it's coming back to me now... never mind...

42 posted on 03/14/2014 2:31:05 PM PDT by OKSooner (Comeondudenodisrespectintendedbutputsomeparagraphsinitandmaybesomeonewillreadit.)
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To: ExSoldier

Miller is probably more conservative than Deal, but Miller quit politics


43 posted on 03/14/2014 6:52:00 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Vaquero

I believe the NRA was established after zlincoln sought to solve the experienced problem of lack of shooting skills during the Civil War. It was a sort of addendum to the second amendment but with some strings attached. it has morphed since then into a litigation branch, not an all out blocker of government harassment but a manager of such.


44 posted on 03/14/2014 7:38:07 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise

If so, it seems that it’s another example of what the government sets out to help, it ultimately will hinder instead. Lincoln, for what good he did, got a bit too busybody for the country’s own good.


45 posted on 03/14/2014 8:01:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: BuffaloJack

When did the NRA ever oppose gun control? They coined the phrase “sporting purposes of firearms”. They wrote and supported every gun control legislation for the past 100 years.


46 posted on 03/14/2014 8:18:11 PM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: from occupied ga

Unfortunately, the group “Georgia Gun Owners” exists primarily to raise funds for its owners, and has had only a negative effect on restoring gun rights in Georgia.

Here’s the inside baseball on this: Gov. Deal and Lt. Gov. Cagle are not pro-gun, but they’re “Republicans” and they know it would be political suicide to veto a gun bill. So instead they make back room deals to kill gun bills in the Assembly so they don’t have to vote on them.

HB875 started as a strong pro-gun bill with no negatives, and passed the House by an enormous margin. It then went to a Senate committee that determines whether or not they send it to the full Senate for a vote.

That committee was chaired by a senator who is up for a $130k/year judgeship that is appointed by Gov. Deal. Since Deal doesn’t want any gun bills to hit his desk, he had the senator rewrite HB875 to water down all its good elements and insert a bunch of bad ones. It was basically a poison pill to ensure that the bill wouldn’t make it out of committee and spineless senators wouldn’t have to make a publicly recorded vote on a gun bill, and Deal wouldn’t have to sign or veto it.

But the House was clever, and tired of the Senate and Governor making secret deals to avoid a public vote on a gun bill as they did in 2012. So they took HB60, which was a relatively non-controversial bill about carry permits for retired judges that had already passed the Senate, and rewrote it to include almost all of the original pro-gun language from HB875. They then voted to pass their new version of HB60 by another large margin.

Because HB60 had already passed the Senate in its original form, the new version does not go to another Senate committee. The Senate as a whole has to vote on it and those votes are public record.

HB875 is dead. It was the intention of those in the Senate and the governor to kill it, and it will not even be voted on in its new form. So its poison-pill language is irrelevant. The only active gun bill in Georgia now is HB60, and it’s a great pro-gun bill as it exists now. It doesn’t have everything we want but it doesn’t have any negatives.

The best action going forward is to call, write, fax, and/or email Deal, Cagle, and your senator, and politely ask them to support HB60 as it’s currently written. Forget about the dead HB875, and remember the old adage about catching more flies with honey.


47 posted on 03/14/2014 9:47:35 PM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Zell Miller was once asked if he had left the Democratic party and he replied that the Democratic party had left him.

After 37 years of party activism and donations, I said the exact same thing about the Republicans in January 2013 and did the same thing. I feel so much better now...

I think that if I were going to identify with any party right now (I'm not but if I were) it'd be Libertarian.

48 posted on 03/14/2014 10:54:58 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
"what ever happened to ol' "Plinker .025" or whatever he called himself?"

IIRC, he left FR because of the lack of maturity he found in those who disagreed with him. The childish name-calling, for example.

Revisit post #38. You can do better, OKSooner.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

49 posted on 03/15/2014 5:01:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: lavaroise

Originally, the NRA was not as involved in the political process as it is today. In 1980, they endorsed a US presidential candidate (Ronald Reagan) for the first time in their history. Since then, the NRA has had many important speakers attend Congressional hearings and make public appearances. There is a large, 75-member board of directors that meet and discuss important current events and issues regarding firearms. The NRA also publishes five different gun-related magazines. Some gun control groups challenge the NRA’s operations, stating that they are promoting gun use and that guns should be controlled. This hasn’t stopped the National Rifle Association, and they still remain one of the most influential groups of civil rights activists in the nation today.

The NRA, or National Rifle Association, is an American non-profit organization originally established in 1871 in New York that helps to protect gun owners and ensure they are able to exercise their right to bear arms. According to the Second Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights, citizens are afforded the right to purchase and own guns. The NRA also focuses on gun safety, and offers courses to those who are interested. There are currently over four million members of the NRA, and statistics show that this number is steadily growing. The organization also promotes gun shooting skills and self-defense, as well as the ability to own guns and use them as a means for self-defense.

Many in Washington, D.C. consider the National Rifle Association to be the most powerful of all lobbying groups. They have fought tirelessly for the rights of American citizens to bear arms, The NRA is now the oldest continual group dedicated to fighting for civil liberties in the United States. The NRA hosts an annual Rifle and Pistol Match at Camp Perry, Ohio, where marksmen from across the country come to compete. It is known as one of the most important competitive shooting events in the country. Aside from the annual contest, the NRA also oversees other official marksmen events. Until 1992, they were also the governing body for the US Olympic shooting team.

50 posted on 03/15/2014 5:03:55 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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