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False flag ops in Ukraine and Syria

Posted on 03/15/2014 11:05:45 AM PDT by varmintman

Several videos dealing with the leaked phone conversation between Estonian foreign minister Paet and Catherine Ashton have been going viral on youtube over the past three or four days, e.g. at about location 8:20 of this item:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

A few other takes:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/06/russian-un-ambassador-comes-out-swinging-on-leaked-call/#
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-democratic-coup-detat-killing-civilians-as-a-pretext-for-regime-change/5370705
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573923/Estonian-Foreign-Ministry-confirms-authenticity-leaked-phone-call-discussing-Kiev-snipers-shot-protesters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html
http://www.storyleak.com/us-directed-regime-change-ukraine-guaranteed-provoke-russian-fury/
http://www.dailypaul.com/314078/cui-bono-ukrainian-false-flag
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17804-same-ukraine-snipers-shot-cops-and-protesters-eu-call-suggests

One question which nobody is asking is this: To what extent is the sniping episode and the presumed legitimacy of blaming it on Yanukovich and/or Russians serving as a pretext for American attempts at involvement at this point? SHOULD the US government be going forward with ANYTHING here before the question is resolved?

As I see it, the US has gone to the well a couple of too many times with false-flag ops over the past couple of decades beginning with SlicK Clinton and Izetbegovic and their 5000 dead bodies, up to the most recent thing of trying to blame the use of sarin gas on Assad in Syria and, past some point, the world has seen this little show often enough that they get wise to it. They're probably starting to view us as a bunch of dangerous lunatics.

For that matter, given the nearness in time of the false-flag op in Syria and this latest failure, there is a big question as to who in our state department wants so badly to start some sort of a war with Russia, and why.

It would be good if somebody on the Republican/conservative side of things would start some sort of an investigation of our state department.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: falseflags; snipers; ukraine

1 posted on 03/15/2014 11:05:45 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

The Russians still suck. I want Ukraine to be free of all Russian interference. I won’t get what I want.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 11:08:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: varmintman

“It would be good if somebody on the Republican/conservative side of things would start some sort of an investigation of our state department.”

Globalism is the goal. Party affiliation has no real significance in the NWO.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 11:09:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: varmintman

Moscow — Around 50,000 people rallied in central Moscow Saturday in protest at Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a day before the Crimean peninsula votes on switching to Kremlin rule.

Waving both Ukrainian and Russian flags and shouting slogans heard during the anti-government protests in Kiev, the demonstrators urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to pull troops back from a Cold War-style confrontation.

Marchers carried placards reading “Putin, get out of Ukraine” and others comparing Russia’s move on Crimea with the Nazi annexation of the Sudetenland as Europe rushed headlong into World War II.

(Excerpt) Read more at google.com ...


4 posted on 03/15/2014 11:10:33 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: varmintman

Are you saying this might be a Wag The Dog scenario? If so you just might be right. Just look at Obama’s poll numbers.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 11:13:17 AM PDT by McGruff (I do not like the current Uncle Sam...)
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To: McGruff

I wonder if Putin is in on it.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 11:15:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: varmintman
"False flag ops in Ukraine and Syria"


7 posted on 03/15/2014 11:19:33 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: varmintman
Still trying to peddle the same crap, huh?

It wasn't the protesters who were shooting themselves. That's a blame-shifting Kremlin fantasy.

8 posted on 03/15/2014 11:27:35 AM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: McGruff

It occurs on a higher level than that. At this point, US Presidents are mostly avatars.


9 posted on 03/15/2014 11:27:56 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: varmintman
"some sort of an investigation of our state department."

LOL !
10 posted on 03/15/2014 11:28:54 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: varmintman

Watch the videos and you’ll see with your own eyes how the Yanukovych troops were using rifles and shotguns to shoot the protestors, including those protestors previously shot and lying upon the ground. It matters not what someone who was not there has to say as false information or false propaganda, when you can see with your own eyes how the uniformed snipers were shooting and killing unarmed and incapacitated protestors at long distances.

The pressure for regime change must be in Moscow to remove the Putin autocrats before they can provoke a general war in Europe with their invasions of the former Soviet Republics and former Warsaw Pact slaves.


11 posted on 03/15/2014 11:30:41 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Grzegorz 246

If Ukraine wants to be part of the European Union so bad let them take care of Ukraine’s problem. All I hear is silence.


12 posted on 03/15/2014 11:32:09 AM PDT by McGruff (I do not like the current Uncle Sam...)
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To: Crimson Elephant

Avatars. Yes. They are sock puppets no longer.


13 posted on 03/15/2014 11:35:02 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (My citizenship is not here.)
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To: varmintman
It would be good if somebody on the Republican/conservative side of things would start some sort of an investigation of our state department.

Its not "our" State Department. They may operate in our name and on our dime but they don't represent the interests of the American people. They work for the Globalists.

Hillary: I get my orders from the CFR

14 posted on 03/15/2014 11:43:11 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
"Its not "our" State Department."

Of course it isn't yours. Yours is here: Министерство иностранных дел Российской Федерации, МИД РФ.
15 posted on 03/15/2014 12:00:25 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
See how George Soros interlocks in the CFR:


16 posted on 03/15/2014 12:06:29 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: 1rudeboy

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice was visiting Putin at his dacha when Yanukovych emerged from another room in the dacha for Putin to introduce him, before Putin installed Yanukovych as the head of the Ukrainian government by massive vote fraud. Yanukovych was quite obviously Putin’s puppet in the schemes to force the Ukraine into the control of Putin’s autocratic regime. When Putin’s bid to control the Ukraine through his puppet, Yanukovych, had repeatedly failed too many times over a period of years, Putin realized he was running out of time and needed to resort to another direct use of force to gain what he had failed to achieve indirectly through subterfuge and subversion.


17 posted on 03/15/2014 12:14:28 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Grzegorz 246
Yours is here: Министерство иностранных дел Российской Федерации, МИД РФ.

Nice Ad Hominem attack there. Were you the champ on the high school debate team?

18 posted on 03/15/2014 12:15:55 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

The Council on Foreign Relations. You never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.


19 posted on 03/15/2014 12:17:54 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

You are right, and American idiots that still think we are good guys are delusional fools. But they are fools who do not know better.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 12:21:11 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
You are right, and American idiots that still think we are good guys are delusional fools.

I think the American people are still "the good guys" for the most part. The men that have hijacked the US government through fraud and treachery are definitely "the bad guys". Its important to realize the distinction.

The dilemma is do good people cease to be good when they support a bad government, even if they've been tricked into doing so?

21 posted on 03/15/2014 12:30:39 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: varmintman

Blame Ukraine for Putin’s aggression. Smart.


22 posted on 03/15/2014 12:36:49 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Agreed, but how do they find out they are fooled? They do not recognize the distinction.

I see it here on FR.


23 posted on 03/15/2014 12:42:22 PM PDT by dforest
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To: varmintman

The real question is how much FR is to become a forum for Russian propaganda?


24 posted on 03/15/2014 1:22:19 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: varmintman

The call is real, but it’s about two European officials speculating about hearsay from a woman named Olga who claims to have evidence that it was the protestors who had themselves shot. Not exactly an admission of guilt there.

And it was Russia Today (New Pravda) who leaked this call, I wonder where they got it from?


25 posted on 03/15/2014 1:24:05 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: dforest
Agreed, but how do they find out they are fooled?

Just keep plugging away on here, other sites, with people you know, with people you meet. Some people are lost. They'll never wake up. They can't admit they made a mistake, they're too set in their ways, they're too afraid of the truth or they're paid shills. Forget about them. Don't worry about convincing everyone but still engage the debate. Somebody will see it and get the idea to do more research or maybe their on the fence or maybe they are aware but just need to know that there a other people out there like them. Every little bit helps.

26 posted on 03/15/2014 2:05:06 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Corporate Democrat
Paet notes in the conversation that the new "government" in Kiev is showing no inclination to investigate the snipings, noting that is telling. I've looked at fifteen or twenty different takes on this one and nobody is claiming any reason to think Yanukovich or Russians had anything to do with it.

Last major case I remember reading about of guys being willing to kill some halfway large number of their own people to achieve some end was the thing about SlicKKK KKKlintler, Izetbegovic, and their 5000 dead bodies.

27 posted on 03/15/2014 8:02:00 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Maybe you can refresh my memory. Remember back to 2009 when Obama took over. There is a country, probably the first one Obama meddled in, where the Obama admin was backing the Marxist who wanted to rewrite their Constitution. The marxist was chased out.

So much has happened since then, that I can’t remember which country that was.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 3:53:23 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

Found it. Meddling in Honduras. That was the first inkling of what was to follow with the Obama regime.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/11/06/brokered-honduran-pact-fails-end-crisis

Remember, the Obama regime pro claimed they would never meddle in the affairs of other countries. We know now that meant they planned to meddle constantly for their real purpose, the NWO.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 4:07:09 AM PDT by dforest
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