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Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues
Breitbart ^ | 3-16-2014 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/15/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by TitansAFC

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is warning Republicans that if they expect to be relevant in the future and grow the party they will have to soften on social issues.

In an interview with vocativ.com, Paul said he had "sort of a Jeffersonian belief in unity, peace and commerce with all" and that the best way to build the GOP for the future is to include people with whom they don't agree on every issue.

"I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues," Paul advised. "The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who don’t want to be festooned by those issues......"

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Every Rand Paul supporter will tell you he's a Conservative, not a Libertarian. Yet he owns the support, primarily, of Libertarians. And for some strange reason, every Ron Paul supporter, to a person, supports Rand Paul without blinking.

They tell you he's not the same as his father, despite the fact that we regularly run into him making comments that espouse similar positions on defense, immigration, gay marriage, drugs, Abortion, Social Issues, et al. He often emends those comments; but suspicions of Rand Paul aren't just entirely due to his last name. They're due to his expressed positions uttered before he gets the chance to gray them up semantically with the help of professionals.

Strangely enough, we hear from his supporters that he's a serious presidential contender because he's already got a national infrastructure. Oh, really? A first-term Senator from Kentucky has a national presidential infrastructure? How is this so? I'll tell you what they mean: they mean Ron Paul's infrastructure. Interesting how Rand can just seamlessly fill in for Ron and not lose any of his father's supporters, despite their supposed major differences.

I really hope Ron Paul runs in 2016. In fact, we need to raise some hell and make some noise and draft him to run! Maybe if both Ron and Rand run, we can have a real discussion about their major issue differences!

Don't be fooled. There's a reason all Ron Paul supporters are behind Rand, and it's not because he's a Reaganite Republican, or because he's so different from his father. It's because they know, just like we know, the differences are miscible.

1 posted on 03/15/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 12:26:45 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: TitansAFC

Is any of that really true? I see people who aren’t crazy for Cruz and build up Paul as an alternative, but haven’t heard from people who are as solid for Rand Paul up and down the line as you say.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 12:27:12 PM PDT by x
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To: TitansAFC

why rand? have the libtards gotten what they want by “softening” or hae they stronarmed their enemies into softening?

putz. he’ s dead to me. you don’ t get the job done with a soft boner. i think we see how successful that’s been in the House.


4 posted on 03/15/2014 12:27:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TitansAFC

Rand’s right. The war over gay marriage is largely over. Even if Roe were overturned tomorrow, many states would still have abortion. The pro-life movement has being doing a great job on changing people’s minds about a abortion on a personal level. But translating that to change on political level is a different matter.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 12:30:01 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: TitansAFC

I am so sick and tired of people who want me to compromise my values system, so I can support people who think doing vile things is just a matter of free will and choice.

I have not abandoned morals, and I’m not about to.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 12:31:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: TitansAFC

That is nothing but a euphemism for supporting abortion and Gay Marriage.

If the GOP backs off those issues, it will be time for a third party and that party would win almost every election.


7 posted on 03/15/2014 12:31:15 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Lou Budvis

How is convincing people to get off of the government teet working?

Perhaps we should just embrace big government spending and huge deficits, as the battle over the role of government is largely lost.

Maybe if we just focus on things we’ve successfully changed to be more Conservative on a political level............oh, wait...........


8 posted on 03/15/2014 12:32:46 PM PDT by TitansAFC (2016: 1. Palin, 2. Cruz, 3. Walker, 4. Rubio, 5. Huckabee (to make the GOP-E see what WE go through))
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To: Lou Budvis

Keep your leftist thoughts/ideas in CA. Okay, Lou? Thanks!


9 posted on 03/15/2014 12:33:30 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

And ignoring social issues has led us to a government too big and a financial mess out of control. A decent and truthful and virtuous nation would not have let this happen.


10 posted on 03/15/2014 12:33:31 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Republicans should not bow down to social issues.
It should be Constitution, states rights and anti-progressivism.


11 posted on 03/15/2014 12:35:11 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: Jane Long

LOL


12 posted on 03/15/2014 12:35:39 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Oliviaforever
That is nothing but a euphemism for supporting abortion and Gay Marriage.

And legalized drugs, gays in the military, gays donating blood, gays in the boyscouts, tranny's in the military. This slope is well greased and goes a long way down.

13 posted on 03/15/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by DungeonMaster
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Social issues are paramount to me. We can change financial issues. Social issues will be permanent.

I will never vote for anyone who supports “gay marriage” or abortion or atheists. I’ll stay home first.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 12:37:41 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Secret Agent Man

THIS absolutely does it for me!

Rand Paul & Marco Rubio & Mitch McConnell & Lindsey Graham can go eat cheese together! Screw ‘em!

Let ‘em go march in Gay Pride & show off their kumbaya.

I mean, holy cr@p!!!!


15 posted on 03/15/2014 12:38:54 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Oliviaforever

~~~That is nothing but a euphemism for supporting abortion and Gay Marriage.~~~

Yep, and why the GOPe will still be trying to figure out why they can’t win after becoming ... Democrats.


16 posted on 03/15/2014 12:39:02 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: TitansAFC

FURP!


17 posted on 03/15/2014 12:39:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; xzins
I don’t care much about social issues.

Then you are on the wrong forum. This website is pro-God, Pro-Guns, Pro-Life and Pro Traditional values.

The fact of the matter is that we are in this fiscal mess because America has turned from traditional social values.

You can't have a free country run by hedonists and solipsists.

18 posted on 03/15/2014 12:42:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: TitansAFC
There's a reason all Ron Paul supporters are behind Rand, and it's not because he's a Reaganite Republican, or because he's so different from his father. It's because they know, just like we know, the differences are miscible.

Interesting analysis but what does the word "miscible" mean in this context?

19 posted on 03/15/2014 12:42:28 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: TitansAFC

Rand Paul is every bit as good a candidate as his dad.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 12:45:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Our Constitution was made only
for a moral and religious people.
It is wholly inadequate to the
government of any other.

- John Adams
21 posted on 03/15/2014 12:47:01 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Why there is nothing immoral about taxes and spending unless you see them as social issues. It’s merely a matter of what is in your own best interest in your short lifetime especially right this moment. How much can I get for my vote? My stingy boss wont give me a raise so Ill make Obama my boss and he’ll give it to me.


22 posted on 03/15/2014 12:49:33 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: P-Marlowe

When we see recent polls on homosexual marriage, we see that there has been a sea change in the culture, from even 10 years ago, on this subject.

Even among younger conservatives, support for homosexual marriage is gaining ground fast, if you can believe the polls.


23 posted on 03/15/2014 12:49:49 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues.

But, like war, social issues certainly do care about you.

You WILL be dragged into the culture war, whether you know it or not, like it or not.

It's every bit a component of true conservatism as fiscal issues. If fact, they're indistinguishable at their core.

24 posted on 03/15/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: TitansAFC

Plenty of libertarian libertines will support Rand. They are more worried about their weed than if the country goes to HELL in a hand basket. Many are Jews haters and anti-Christians as well. The Funny thing is these ‘Paulist’ and Paul himself talk about Founding Father so much, but they never seem to get around to the Founding Fathers quotes regarding the need of a Republic of have a solid belief and following in Judeo-Christian ethics for the Republic to survive.


25 posted on 03/15/2014 12:50:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: TitansAFC

Why not get out the old fraternity paddle why don’t ya’? “Thank you sir, may I have another”.


26 posted on 03/15/2014 12:50:57 PM PDT by albie
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To: TitansAFC

Maybe we could bring back the social issue of all time: slavery. Hey, it’s only people, people.


27 posted on 03/15/2014 12:51:54 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: TitansAFC

lol. Another FREEPER lover down the tubes. How about somebody with principles for a change. Scott Walker, Michele Bachmann or Rick Santorum. You pick these ridiculous people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz who turn out to be shams and wonder why they fooled you. Pick a true conservative for a change.


28 posted on 03/15/2014 12:52:28 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

When we are forced to pay for other peoples birth control, forced to subsidize women who have out of wedlock children those are not just social but fiscal issues. The two go together.


29 posted on 03/15/2014 12:54:34 PM PDT by what's up (su)
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To: Jim Robinson

—”Rand Paul is every bit as good a candidate as his dad.”—

And Ron Paul supporters agree, which is why they - to a person - all line-up behind Rand.


30 posted on 03/15/2014 12:57:19 PM PDT by TitansAFC (2016: 1. Palin, 2. Cruz, 3. Perry, 4. Walker, 5. Huckabee (to make the GOP-E see what WE go through))
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To: P-Marlowe

Amen FRiend. Democrats are in control because Republicans have waffled on morality. It’s just that simple.


31 posted on 03/15/2014 12:59:05 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: TitansAFC

Sounds to me that Rand Paul is starting to rant like a true ‘anything to win’ political person. I will go with a person who stands for upholding what this Nation was intended to be even though day by day political people like the Pauls would chip away at such. This does not mean I throw out all what the Pauls try to explain, but I do not accept them as of now as voice for the USA.


32 posted on 03/15/2014 12:59:53 PM PDT by noinfringers2 ( /*)
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To: TitansAFC

Yup. And with the exact same results.


33 posted on 03/15/2014 1:01:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me.

You don't see how the two are inextricably joined together?
Homosexual "marriage" and all spousal benefits?
Transexuals in the military and the federal subsidizing of their surgeries?
Amnesty for illegal aliens?
The list goes on. You cannot be a "financial conservative" and not care about social issues because they are what is breaking (has broken) this country.
The government just cannot finance liberalism.

34 posted on 03/15/2014 1:02:28 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Rand Paul says to soften social issues. Rubio wants to soften amnesty
issues. McConnel and Bonehead want to spend like drunken sailors.
After all these GOPe’s soften issues conservatives hold dear, what will
be left to get conservatives to the polls? Not much.


35 posted on 03/15/2014 1:04:05 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: Lou Budvis

No, the war will continue. Because the sodomites won’t just want “tolerance” as they said 10 years ago. Now they want endorsement. Next, they’ll want to force it onto the church and those who have religious objections thereof.

Then, they’ll want government to censor any books (e.g. the Bible) that speak the truth about their lifestyle choice.

How much of your life and personal beliefs do you want dictated by der Fuhrer?


36 posted on 03/15/2014 1:04:31 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: TitansAFC

Officially softening up on life, family, marriage, borders, guns, strong defense, etc, will officially mark the end of the GOP.


37 posted on 03/15/2014 1:06:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Lou Budvis

Soon the war on Amnesty will be over. Then the war on fiscal restraint
(BTW, there is no fiscal restraint) and then the war on social issues.
What then will get conservatives to the polls?


38 posted on 03/15/2014 1:06:44 PM PDT by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: TitansAFC
I don't think you can legislate things of the heart. However, we want leaders who stand up and speak out about strong values and morals. We should not also legislate or promote perversion and infanticide. The people who suggest that we go soft on social issues, have no problem with the outright promotion of perversion, vices and infanticide.

Going soft on social issues is a slippery road to financial and economic ruin as well. When there are not morals, the there is no problem with excessive taxation, excessive regulation e.t.c.

There is an attitude that somehow fiscal conservatism, social conservatism and libertarianism are mutually exclusive groups. There are large numbers of social conservatives who are also strong fiscal conservatives. I also find many social conservatives who have strong libertarian leanings.

Politicians who try to separate away fiscal conservatives from social conservatives, I think, may end up in defeat. Many special interests would like to see this separation, however they also don't have any interest in seeing conservatives win.

39 posted on 03/15/2014 1:08:48 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Then you’d better start figuring out how you’re going to earn my vote. Because you won’t get it without a socially conservative underpinning.


40 posted on 03/15/2014 1:10:08 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: TitansAFC
Sen. Rand "Rant" Paul = a squish..RINO/CINO..
"evolving, whatever that means"
Vote Cruz/Palin..Cruz/West..Palin/Cruz..Palin/West
..West/Cruz..West/Palin, not Paul/xxxx.

41 posted on 03/15/2014 1:10:18 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Lou Budvis

No it’s not. What we have are black robed tyrants ignoring the will of the people, overturning constitutionally passed laws and the executive branch that does not enforce law.


42 posted on 03/15/2014 1:10:47 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: TitansAFC
Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues

How can Republicans get any softer? Our leadership has the resolve and spine of cooked linguine.

If not for the rank and file that they need to make anything work, guys like Boehner would have teamed up with McCain, Obama, Pelosi and Reid to destroy this country long ago. They may succeed yet.

If Rand Paul really made such a statement, he proved beyond a doubt, that he is way too dense to lead a horse to water or sell water to a man dying of thirst on the desert.

43 posted on 03/15/2014 1:12:48 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Jim Robinson

lol


44 posted on 03/15/2014 1:18:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: P-Marlowe; Zuben Elgenubi; SoConPubbie; Jim Robinson

Rand Paul is taking himself off my list.

The conservative position on LIFE is better. We argue for the life of that sweet innocent baby.

The conservative position on GUNS is better. We argue for the right of self-preservation.

The conservative position on NATURAL MARRIAGE is better. We argue against anything that makes our culture more dangerous for our children and grandchildren.

The conservative position on DEFENSE is better. We argue a strong America strength deters aggression.

The conservative position on ANYTHING is better because it is the position that has stood the test of time. We stand for the values and methods that have proven their honor and worth.


45 posted on 03/15/2014 1:19:21 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: TitansAFC

I like Paul, but Life and Marriage are off the table for me. There can be no agree to disagree on these two issues. Civil Union is as far as I am willing to go on same sex marriage.


46 posted on 03/15/2014 1:21:57 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: TitansAFC
if they expect to be relevant in the future and grow the party they will have to soften on social issues.

Psssst....Rand. That isn't new, or unique. We've been hearing it since Goldwater. Oh and one more thing -- it doesn't work.

47 posted on 03/15/2014 1:23:55 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: TitansAFC

Rand Paul is a libertarian, and nothing wrong with that, but I think he should simply stop claiming to be a Republican. I like a lot of the things he says, but he’s got to figure out where he is in the grand scheme of things.

Like it or not, the social planks are part of the GOP’s platform (formal opposition to abortion, for example). There is clearly a wide range of difference in the opinions, expressions and actions of the different GOP candidates and politicians, and we can pick within them.

But saying that the GOP should abandon the social concerns and adopt the libertarian positions...without proclaiming himself to be a libertarian...is more than a little dishonest.


48 posted on 03/15/2014 1:24:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: jpsb

Mister...I totally agree with you.


49 posted on 03/15/2014 1:25:42 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: P-Marlowe; Zuben Elgenubi; All
well put, P-Marlowe!

To: Zuben Elgenubi; xzins

I don’t care much about social issues.

Then you are on the wrong forum. This website is pro-God, Pro-Guns, Pro-Life and Pro Traditional values.

The fact of the matter is that we are in this fiscal mess because America has turned from traditional social values. You can't have a free country run by hedonists and solipsists.

50 posted on 03/15/2014 1:29:19 PM PDT by tjd1454
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