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Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues
Breitbart ^ | 3-16-2014 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/15/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by TitansAFC

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To: TitansAFC
They tell you he's not the same as his father... YET!
101 posted on 03/15/2014 3:57:31 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Gene Eric

Libertarianism is most definitely pro-abortion, or as a libertarian would explain it, they believe that it is the woman’ choice, period.

Libertarianism is most definitely pro-gay, or as a libertarian would explain it, they believe that sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the government’s treatment of individuals, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.

When you try to convince people that libertarianism is not pro-abortion, you are lying to them, deliberately attempting to mislead them and convince them that libertarianism is just a better word for “conservative”.

Rand Paul is a “conservative libertarian” that is why this thread is important, the curtain got opened a little when he spoke on how conservatives need to, bump it left a little.


102 posted on 03/15/2014 4:03:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“...you don’ t get the job done with a soft boner. ...”

I think, my friend, you just made the Quote of the Decade there...

Haha!!! That’s a keeper...


103 posted on 03/15/2014 4:08:16 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: TitansAFC

Soften on social issues?

With an out of wedlock birth rate of >40% and getting worse? Show me a society that has ever survived that.

Our culture is virtually dead, and almost pagan at this point.

There won’t be a country left if the current trends continue and Rand is okay with them continuing so “we” can win elections? To have power in a dead society?

No thanks.


104 posted on 03/15/2014 4:10:00 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: ilovesarah2012

I agree with you totally.

“I will never vote for anyone who supports ‘gay marriage’ or abortion or atheists. I’ll stay home first.”


105 posted on 03/15/2014 4:17:20 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: digger48

>Wouldn’t it be even safer, cheaper and less damaging to our society if young, unwed women could see the advantage to keeping their knees together?

Yes, but reality dictates that there will always be some that give in to the urge and desire that is born in most humans. Unless the drive and desire to unite physically is taken out of the human species, it will happen. Better if they don’t procreate and stick us working people with the bill.


106 posted on 03/15/2014 4:17:26 PM PDT by soycd
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To: x
Ran Paul has his faults but who doesn't? I like him because he seems like the strongest proponent for seriously cutting government and taxes and seems to best understand the alternative - the free market. Seems like in the actual interview rather than just the inflammatory headline, he was talking about sending these issues to the states where they belong.

Personally, I think Paul's greatest weakness is foreign policy and his lack of personal charisma/communication skills. Also, from what I've seen, I think he is personally a good moral Christian who holds traditional American values. If anyone including Palin comes along with the same unequivocal government/tax-cutting message, and the Right doesn't savage him/her, the Left will be glad to prior to the GOP nomination becasue the GOP nomination is the key to 2106.

Watch how the MSM will do everything to keep the subject off the perverse, economy-killing, immorality-promoting, unconstitutional, increasingly authoritarian federal government. Whatever else happens, the Right needs to educate itself on how to best present and promote the free market economy as our best and IMO, only, way out of this mess.

107 posted on 03/15/2014 4:39:42 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Social and fiscal issues go hand in hand...

“You can’t be a fiscal Conservative and not be a social Conservative. A large part of the expanse of government is to make up for a dysfunctional society, because our culture is falling apart, the family is falling apart.” ~ Senator Jim DeMint


108 posted on 03/15/2014 4:44:14 PM PDT by bimboeruption ("We Recognize No Sovereign But God, And No King But Jesus!" - John Adams & John Hancock)
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To: bimboeruption

DeMint is absolutely right.


109 posted on 03/15/2014 4:44:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TitansAFC

Judging by the posts in this thread I gotta feeling the supreme witch hillary will be the next president.


110 posted on 03/15/2014 4:46:49 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: soycd

I just meant that was where moral issues come into play.

Single Parenthood is now considered a saintly endeavor that should be rewarded.


111 posted on 03/15/2014 4:59:56 PM PDT by digger48
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To: randomhero97

Yup, unless something comes along to unite the excitable Right. Anything would be better than another Democratic Socialist Party POTUS, even a GOP guy who doesn’t understand that central government is NOT the solution and the free market and decentralization IS the solution. Nevertheless, that kind of guy would just slow down the process of our demise. It would be so unnecessary because we have the answer. We have the solution.


112 posted on 03/15/2014 5:09:36 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: jpsb

:D


113 posted on 03/15/2014 5:37:28 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: TitansAFC

If the GOP gets any softer on social issues, they may as well be Democrats. Sounds like Rand Paul is GOP_e, to me.


114 posted on 03/15/2014 5:49:03 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: TitansAFC

There is a strong argument here. Fiscal conservatisms will lead to social conservatism. It is all about the money. Once you cut off the funding for all the liberal causes, they will decline.


115 posted on 03/15/2014 5:51:20 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: ansel12

Well, I’m a conservative libertarian, and I’m neither pro-homo nor pro-abortion. So I guess you’re wrong.

FRegards.


116 posted on 03/15/2014 5:52:21 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TitansAFC

Not one dimes worth of difference.


117 posted on 03/15/2014 5:53:10 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: PapaNew
...he was talking about sending these issues to the states where they belong.

That's like saying to Putin that Ukraine's fate should be decided by Ukrainians. It sound nice; however... REALITY must be acknowledged.

The FED GOV has already taken over much what rightly are State issues including issues in the social arena. Softness is surrender; a Neville Chamberlain approach to the evident clear & present danger that Leftism embodies will not win the day when its intent is to at best maintain a tyrannical status quo and at worst cede more territory to the Left.

The Leftist FED GOV tyranny has to be driven out & destroyed.

118 posted on 03/15/2014 5:56:58 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Gene Eric

That is interesting that you think like that, but whatever level that you as a single guy on the internet accepts personally from the libertarian movement that you strive to advance against conservatism, has nothing to do with limiting what libertarianism and the majority of libertarians are actually after.

If you don’t approve of their goals, then don’t join them against us.


119 posted on 03/15/2014 6:02:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: TitansAFC

The problem with conservatives is they are losers and are unable to win. They can not put aside their petty pipe dreams of purity and social righteous. Silly conservatives you teach morality inside the walls of your own home and from your pulpit one soul at a time.
Get off your fat lazy arses and go out and change a life tomorrow another the next day., Put goodness in and get goodness out.


120 posted on 03/15/2014 6:13:27 PM PDT by WilliamRobert (Obama so loves the poor he created millions more.)
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To: WilliamRobert
The problem with conservatives is they are losers and are unable to win.

Conservatives like Romney & McCain? LMAO!

There's a reason Libertarians are politically irrelevant; the same reason the Articles of Confederation were trashed & replaced with the US Constitution. Social Anarchy is as much a threat to individual liberty as Social Tyranny is.

Social order premised upon self evident truths, acknowledging unalienable rights, and promoted under the Rule of Law is a necessity to protecting individual liberty.

121 posted on 03/15/2014 6:28:15 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: TitansAFC

Restore the Republic!


122 posted on 03/15/2014 6:34:02 PM PDT by nomad
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To: WilliamRobert

So you don’t like conservatism and want conservatives to remove themselves from politics to let you guys have a free field on abortion and the homosexual agenda, and open borders and weak national defense, and all the ghetto habits that you can spread in America.

You sound like a sweet guy.


123 posted on 03/15/2014 6:35:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Lou Budvis

The fight about homosexual marriage will occur on the ground, just like abortion and gun control. The tide will turn if we get vouchers. Technology is making physical colleges unnecessary for most of the population and, because people are naturally conservative, that will kill a lot of the garbage fed to young people.


124 posted on 03/15/2014 6:40:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ron seems a lot crazier. Rand comes across smoother. He’s learned from his dad. He’s watched what happened and made adjustments.

If Rand were to follow Obama we’d withdraw from our military obligations across the world. His promises to end/eliminate actual agencies not withstanding, that would be a disaster. It already is a mess that the next POTUS will spend blood and treasure to repair.


125 posted on 03/15/2014 6:43:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ansel12

I’m not single, I’m not young, I’m not inexperienced. I’m responsible, I have a respectable IQ, pay local, state, and fed taxes, I’m pro life, pro traditional marriage, pro 1st, pro 2nd, conservative, and libertarian.

I am a registered Republican. I’m Christian. I normally vote Conservative Republican. I do not belong to the Libertarian Party because the platform is whacked and driven by ignorance. Publicly, Conservative Republicans like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Sarah Palin best represent my views. And yes, I’m a conservative libertarian.

What I am not is liberal like Rand Paul is on immigration and apparently the social issues. And yes, I’m a conservative libertarian.

It is not about conservatives vs libertarians. It’s about conservatism vs liberalism. I am a conservative libertarian, not a liberal libertarian.

Distinguishing libertarianism from liberalism shouldn’t be perceived as a threat to conservatism. You seem to think the two are intrinsically intertwined. I don’t which I illustrate with a simple diagram on my FR page. I am like the Founding Fathers, a conservative libertarian.

I respect your views, ansel12. But express them without attempting to frame my character. I am a conservative. I am a libertarian.

I have other things to attend to, and prefer not to spend any more time on this issue.

FRegards.


126 posted on 03/15/2014 6:57:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TitansAFC

I have said repeatedly, and I say again “the nut doesn’t fall far from the tree”.

Rand Paul is perhaps one of the last persons I’d ever vote for anything.


127 posted on 03/15/2014 6:57:42 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: DBeers

Well, sounds like we’re in agreement. If we take down the excessive federal government, then these issues WILL go back to the states where they belong - then the people of each state can decide - like what actually happens in a free country...


128 posted on 03/15/2014 7:01:49 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

When we’re on the verge of WW3 and there’s no jobs for the average person and the country’s falling apart, I don’t put social issues in first place. I know what I believe. I don’t demand that everyone believe like me.


129 posted on 03/15/2014 7:03:08 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Gene Eric

This is silly, libertarianism is a pro-abortion, pro-gay belief system, those issues are among their political goals.

It doesn’t matter what YOU are, only what libertarianism is, it is a political movement that wants to defeat conservatism.

Since you reject libertarianism, you should rethink claiming you are one.

The people who created this nation were not libertarians and they were not pro-abortion and for homosexual equality, they were conservatives, and social conservatives.

The founding generations would never have accepted gay marriage in the military, or in immigration and federal employment, and abortion on military bases, and homosexual soldiers, the removal of God from public spaces and our culture, they were not libertarians.


130 posted on 03/15/2014 7:18:05 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Ciexyz
I know what I believe. I don’t demand that everyone believe like me.

Nor does anyone else, that is the kind of a lie that only a pretty liberal guy would try to pass off.

131 posted on 03/15/2014 7:20:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: PapaNew
If we take down the excessive federal government, then these issues WILL go back to the states where they belong - then the people of each state can decide.

What kind of silliness is that? You think gay marriage for the military and federal employment and immigration, and abortion on military bases and homosexuals in the military are "state" issues?

Libertarians are social liberals, at all levels of government.

132 posted on 03/15/2014 7:24:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: TitansAFC

Well then, Rand, don’t vote for Ted Cruz for President. You always struck me as a little bit goofy, and disingenuous about big issues such as repealing Obamakill and amnesty. I think you suck. Bob


133 posted on 03/15/2014 7:37:38 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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To: bimboeruption

Exactly! Bob


134 posted on 03/15/2014 7:38:27 PM PDT by alstewartfan (Two broken Tigers on fire in the night Flicker their souls to the wind. From RTMoscow by Al Stewart)
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To: TitansAFC

We need to soften and the pull all funding from these parasites and let the starve.


135 posted on 03/15/2014 7:40:50 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: DoughtyOne
I think this quote is apropo:

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago: 1918-1956

136 posted on 03/15/2014 8:06:15 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: WilliamRobert

Why put in the work when you can have the federal government legislate it for you?


137 posted on 03/15/2014 8:14:48 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PapaNew

Central government is not the solution to social issues either but our supposed fellow voters on the Right will never get it.


138 posted on 03/15/2014 8:16:43 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: TitansAFC; All

Thanks for this thread.

Senator Rand Paul seems, at times, to be interested in bringing the failed idea of the “Big Tent” back into the Republican Party with statements such as this one: “ - - -”I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, - - - . “

What purpose does a “bigger” Republican Party have to restoring the Core Values that our sorry Congressional RINOs have refused to defend by their cave-in, doormat votes to their effective boss Obama?

Senator Paul does not recognize the there has been for the past 5 years virtually no effective difference between the Congressional RINO and Democrat Leaderships.

Thus, a really “Big” Republican Party will just make for more really big cave-ins to Democrats, IMHO.

Congressional RINO Leadership has proven to be incompetent for the last five years.

Replacing Congressional RINO Leadership with fire-in-the-belly Republicans such as Trey Gowdy would do more to give us Conservative voters a reason to vote FOR Republican Candidates, regardless of how “big” the Republican Party becomes.

Paul is concerned about assembling an army and THEN mounting a steady trend to tolerance.

We are asking ALL of the Republicans to fight with what you have NOW, and to fight to the last man/woman!

GIVE US A REASON TO VOTE FROR YOU!

IOW, attack Attack, ATTACK!

And to Hell with the “look, or size” of the doormat Republican Party!


139 posted on 03/15/2014 8:18:55 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Good post.


140 posted on 03/15/2014 8:49:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Thanks.

Correction: change “FROR” to “FOR” near bottom comment.


141 posted on 03/15/2014 8:52:29 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: ansel12
Ansel12, I'll just say this to you. You're an attack dog. You attack and accuse, you don't listen, have no answers and offer no solutions and attack those that do. There's no way to have a reasoned, much less friendly discussion or disagreement with you so I'm not talking with you.

Bye.

142 posted on 03/15/2014 9:10:10 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

You mean this is too much for you to respond too?

“””You think gay marriage for the military and federal employment and immigration, and abortion on military bases and homosexuals in the military are “state” issues?”””


143 posted on 03/15/2014 9:23:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: what's up

> When we are forced to pay for other peoples birth control,forced to subsidize women who have out of wedlock children those are not just social but fiscal issues. The two go together.<

You’re exactly right. And these social issues cost a lot of damn money payed for by those who work. Welfare, EBT cards, Obama phones, birth control, abortions, freaking Obamacare, all of this crap and more are social issues that have bankrupted this country. One can’t be fixed without fixing the other.


144 posted on 03/15/2014 9:25:30 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: TitansAFC

Maybe the republicans should learn to compromise more. I mean, not one voted for Obamacare. Couldn’t the repubs have had at least a few voted? This really makes the repubs look partisan and mean. You know, why cant we all just get along? </s>


145 posted on 03/15/2014 9:29:49 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: TitansAFC

Every conservative, every libertarian, every constitutionalist should have the same answer to these things.

We have a 10th Amendment. It leaves things not explicitly delegated to the Federal government to the states.

End of discussion.

Hank


146 posted on 03/15/2014 9:30:59 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Tagline withheld pending NSA review)
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To: randomhero97
Central government is not the solution to social issues either but our supposed fellow voters on the Right will never get it.

It does come across that many here and on the Right think that central government is somehow our moral friend which is astonishing when we look at the record. However, I hold out hope that enough will get it. One thing that will help is educating them about the clear alternative: the free market economy.

For future reference, I'll have to compile a list, but I'll just take this opportunity to put down here at least a partial list of the unconstitutional, excessive central government's parade of horribles. The federal government is either an influencer, sponsor, or enforcer or both of such things as:

- sodomy "education" for kindergarteners
- indoctrination (not education) of children in government schools away from traditional American values and toward perverse ideologies
- sodomy "rights" (a legal oxymoron)
- abortion on demand
- anti-family values
- anti-Christian values
- separating Americans from one another & creating "class" dissension
- creating dependency, not self reliance

The central government is against the Constitution and individual freedom and creates poverty by taking money from the people and wasting it. The Dept of HHR, for example, has a TRILLION DOLLAR budget and it is a waste.

Add to this list if you think of other stuff, I know there's a lot. I'll keep it for reference.

147 posted on 03/15/2014 9:58:18 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: ansel12

You’re a broken record. I’ve already said I hadn’t given your issue much thought. You answer as usual with an attack. I ask you want do you think. All I get is more attack. What a waste.


148 posted on 03/15/2014 10:02:12 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

What is there to think about, it’s abortion on federal land, and gay marriage and homosexuals being treated equally in the military, federal employment and immigration law, at the federal level.

Seriously, as a libertarian you never thought about libertarianism?


149 posted on 03/15/2014 10:17:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: what's up
When we are forced to pay for other peoples birth control, forced to subsidize women who have out of wedlock children those are not just social but fiscal issues.

Simple problem, simple solution. Stop the welfare checks. If people have to be responsible for themselves then the social issues take care of themselves. Piece of cake.

When do we get started?

150 posted on 03/15/2014 10:25:57 PM PDT by superloser
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