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Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues
Breitbart ^ | 3-16-2014 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/15/2014 12:24:23 PM PDT by TitansAFC

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To: TitansAFC

Rand Paul just did conservatives a huge favor by showing his hand. He just made the process of elimination so much simpler.


51 posted on 03/15/2014 1:29:36 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Consenrvatives have been softening their position for 50 years.....it will never be enough


52 posted on 03/15/2014 1:30:55 PM PDT by BRL
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To: TADSLOS

He sure did...adios Rand


53 posted on 03/15/2014 1:31:23 PM PDT by halo66
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To: TitansAFC
Social issues are just a important, if not more so, because they determine what kind of world we are going to bequeath our children and grandchildren. To become less conservative on this means letting the liberal wimps take over the party. Let them firm up their thinking and either take a righteous stance, or go somewhere else to dilute decency.

What Rand Paul apparently wants is for his supporters to define deviancy downward, eh?

54 posted on 03/15/2014 1:41:58 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

When we abandon family values, government values fill the void.


55 posted on 03/15/2014 1:43:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TitansAFC

Yeah, let’s continue to allow the left to rule social issues and change our culture like they have for the last 80 years. What’s the definition of insanity, again?


56 posted on 03/15/2014 1:45:02 PM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: TitansAFC

Too bad Paul sees turning American into Aztlan via a 30-million illegal alien amnesty as a “social issue”.


57 posted on 03/15/2014 1:45:32 PM PDT by montag813
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To: jpsb
Civil Union is as far as I am willing to go on same sex marriage.

Then your tolerance is right where the perversionistas want it. Here in Delaware, it was maybe only 6 months after civil unions were legalized that serious bills for sodomarriage were submitted and considered.

58 posted on 03/15/2014 1:50:51 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Lou Budvis
Even if Roe were overturned tomorrow, many states would still have abortion. The pro-life movement has being doing a great job on changing people’s minds about a abortion on a personal level. But translating that to change on political level is a different matter.

It's been a huge winner at the political level with record numbers of pro-life laws being passed over the last couple of years at the state level. Liberal states can't even pass more laws making it easier to get an abortion.

59 posted on 03/15/2014 1:51:04 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Oliviaforever
If the GOP backs off those issues, it will be time for a third party and that party would win almost every election.

Republicans can lose until hell freezes over or we head into a communist state (or better, a civil war, that prevents one from being established before I will ever vote for a Republican that supports abortion rights or gay marriage or refuses to stand up for religious freedom.

I'll glad support Huckabee or Santorum over someone like Paul that wants to abandon social issues.

60 posted on 03/15/2014 1:54:38 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: DoughtyOne

Exactly


61 posted on 03/15/2014 1:55:38 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: TitansAFC
People who have no moral values never stick to any other value once elected....that is why we have so many disgusting rinos who are destroying our freedoms daily.

I will not vote for an immoral person and whether you are pro-life or pro-murder tells me everything I need to know about the character of those that want me to vote for them.

The Pauls' are disgusting.

62 posted on 03/15/2014 1:57:24 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: TitansAFC

AT least they can speill...

LOL


63 posted on 03/15/2014 1:57:56 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: imardmd1

My preference would be that laws against sodomy be enacted. Civil unions is that absolute limit of my tolerance. What business is it of mine if two people choose to enter into some civil contract?


64 posted on 03/15/2014 1:59:06 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Jim Robinson

LMAO...


65 posted on 03/15/2014 1:59:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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To: Lou Budvis

Politics matter, fighting for conservative candidates matters.

“The same week, the Republican National Committee decided that it was time for the national party to wade back into the pro-life waters after a perceived hiatus from using it as a platform issue. A “Resolution on Republican Pro-Life Strategy” formally re-established abortion as a 2014 election issue for the party and seeks to push back on the “war on women” rhetoric that Democrats have made synonymous with the pro-life movement.

The RNC clearly believes once again that a prominent pro-life position plays well with voters. Perhaps the national party has taken note of what’s happening at the state level. Twenty-four states enacted 53 anti-abortion measures in 2013 alone.

Research from the pro-choice Guttmacher Institute shows that in the last three years, states have enacted an unprecedented 205 different abortion restrictions. This was made possible by the fact that over half of the states in the union have pro-life governors and pro-life majorities in their legislatures.”


66 posted on 03/15/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Kackikat
"Mister...I totally agree with you.

Great minds think alike? lol, :)

67 posted on 03/15/2014 2:01:25 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: TitansAFC

Randy needs to switch parties


68 posted on 03/15/2014 2:05:43 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

His support for amnesty will bankrupt the country more than it already is


69 posted on 03/15/2014 2:06:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Financial issues interest me. Like taxes and spending which lead to overwhelming control by the Federal government.

If it really interests you, then you need to learn how to win politically.

Voters decide, and social conservatives vote conservatively, social liberalism only leads to more big government, greedy, short range view, what's in it for me voting.

Social conservatives created this nation and it's economics, and it is the social liberal advances of the last 50 years that is making it impossible to maintain it.

70 posted on 03/15/2014 2:07:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Lou Budvis

And amnesty is a what?


71 posted on 03/15/2014 2:08:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TitansAFC

Social issues do not affect my life directly. What affects my everyday life is monetary policies, tax policies and regulations imposed by the government. The other day
I witnessed two lesbians at Seatac airport openly doing
PDA. It was disgusting to watch, but what affected me
more directly was the taxes levied on my plane ticket.
I can ignore the lesbians, but not the taxes.


72 posted on 03/15/2014 2:08:22 PM PDT by entropy12 (If you did not vote, you helped elect the community organizer from south side of Chicago.)
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To: elcid1970

I tell you the democrats never had better friends than Rand, Marco, Bitch McConnell, Graham, AND Boner. AND MCCAIN.


73 posted on 03/15/2014 2:08:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Lol. The ones who think that is a compliment are on the wrong forum


74 posted on 03/15/2014 2:11:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And yet it is imposed by tyrannical federal judges and not the ballot box


75 posted on 03/15/2014 2:12:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: napscoordinator

When did Ted Cruz “turn out to be a sham” ??


76 posted on 03/15/2014 2:14:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

>> I don’t care much about social issues.

You care enough to mention it on a forum that spends quite a bit of time discussing social issues.

The argument could be made that Planned Parenthood is an effective, efficient abortion mill. This has financial value obviously omitting moral value.

The libertarian should certainly care about life in the womb, and be concerned about law that forces the citizens to service, sanction, and support homosexual behavior.


77 posted on 03/15/2014 2:14:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They want everyone else to be tolerant, they never promised tolerance when they win


78 posted on 03/15/2014 2:15:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TitansAFC

>> Every Rand Paul supporter will tell you he’s a Conservative, not a Libertarian.

I’m a conservative libertarian. Rand is speaking like a Liberal.


79 posted on 03/15/2014 2:17:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TitansAFC
Deal with it, Rand.

We aren't shutting up.

We aren't giving up.

And we aren't selling out our principles because some Rino beltway bull$hi*ting consultants tell us that we should.

80 posted on 03/15/2014 2:20:31 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: jpsb
What business is it of mine if two people choose to enter into some civil contract?

I'm not an expert in business law, but a civil union is not the same as a mere civil contract. Most contracts have some sort of a "sunset clause" regarding dissolving the contract after a certain period. And why should this civil union have the force of a marriage in matters of taxation, court testimony, inheritance, etc. that a contract would not provide?

81 posted on 03/15/2014 2:22:28 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I don’t care much about social issues. Financial issues interest me.

I prefer not to live in a Sodom and Gamorrah just because it has a free market economy. And that free market economy would not last long in a immoral environment. We would be right back to crony capitalism and fascism.

82 posted on 03/15/2014 2:24:14 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: BuffaloJack

tyranny at the state level is not any better

whether the tyrants are 1000 miles away or 30 makes no real difference outside a war to overthrow them


83 posted on 03/15/2014 2:29:19 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]
84 posted on 03/15/2014 2:29:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SVTCobra03

bump


85 posted on 03/15/2014 2:29:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TitansAFC

Compromise today on one issue, they will be calling for compromise tomorrow on other issues...like fiscal policy or national defense.

I do kinda like Rand but do not want to see him run for President.


86 posted on 03/15/2014 2:30:45 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: TitansAFC

Rand is trying to be all things to all people. He’s getting too much face time and is going to screw up.


87 posted on 03/15/2014 2:46:43 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: TitansAFC
Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues

Thanks but NO THANKS.

No more RINO Mitt Romney candidates.

The US Constitution limits the Federal Government BOTH Fiscally & Socially. Social tyranny is just as bad if not worse than Fiscal tyranny and in my opinion the two are tied at the hip. The Left illegitimately employs social issues to amass power & redistribute resources & opportunity. Conservatives MUST oppose this onslaught head on.

The culture war between American Individual Liberty & Cultural Collective Marxism will not be won by surrendering to the Marxists.

88 posted on 03/15/2014 2:58:34 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Gene Eric
The libertarian should certainly care about life in the womb

Libertarianism, and naturally most libertarians, are pro-abortion.

It is dishonest to try and tell these folks that libertarianism is not a pro-abortion, pro-gay political movement.

89 posted on 03/15/2014 3:01:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
if you can believe the polls

There's the rub. IMHO the polls are just part of the propaganda machine. The real poll like the Prop #8 vote in California is a truer measure. Regardless, there are some things like self-evident truth & unalienable rights that are never legitimately subject to polling or rational moral relative scrutiny by courts. Mob rule is not a true measure of moral legitimacy.

90 posted on 03/15/2014 3:04:07 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: TitansAFC
In a way, he's correct. Not soften, but give up on the government doing anything we want. Doing that could give us some hope of salvaging our country. Maybe if we just got the gov out of everyone’s business... Just a thought. I'll never vote for Rand Paul regardless.
91 posted on 03/15/2014 3:04:38 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: TitansAFC
Rand Paul: Republicans Need to Soften on Social Issues

Americans: The 2nd Amendment is not a fiscal issue; it's a social issue. In the face of a tyrannical mob, do we soften on this issue so we can 'win elections', gain our seats in an illegitimate government?

92 posted on 03/15/2014 3:07:53 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: grobdriver
You don't see how the two are inextricably joined together?
Homosexual "marriage" and all spousal benefits?
Transexuals in the military and the federal subsidizing of their surgeries?
Amnesty for illegal aliens?
The list goes on.
You cannot be a "financial conservative" and not care about social issues because they are what is breaking (has broken) this country.
The government just cannot finance liberalism.

*********************************

Well said.

93 posted on 03/15/2014 3:13:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TitansAFC
Fiscally he's wrong: Single parents are the primary customers of the welfare and police state.

In terms of liberty he's wrong: Those customers and their handlers both vote for more of the welfare and police state.

The police state regulates the economy for the benefit of its principal benefactors: the tax-exempt foundations of the extremely rich, whose principal goal is to stay on top by killing a free market economy.

Hence, Rand Paul is a statist. Somebody ought to tell him.

94 posted on 03/15/2014 3:24:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: TitansAFC

....and here we go......................


95 posted on 03/15/2014 3:28:17 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: what's up

>When we are forced to pay for other peoples birth control, forced to subsidize women who have out of wedlock children those are not just social but fiscal issues.

Yes, and if there had to be a choice, the safest, less expensive and less damaging to society would be preventing the birth of unwanted kids and stopping the welfare cycle.


96 posted on 03/15/2014 3:29:30 PM PDT by soycd
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To: TitansAFC
.. festooned ..

Oy vey, how freeqin' ghey is that ? !

97 posted on 03/15/2014 3:38:01 PM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: soycd

Wouldn’t it be even safer, cheaper and less damaging to our society if young, unwed women could see the advantage to keeping their knees together?


98 posted on 03/15/2014 3:48:21 PM PDT by digger48
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To: TitansAFC

Sorry, Rand.

Not though all the stars fall from the heavens and all the mountains dissolve into the sea. Never.

Never.


99 posted on 03/15/2014 3:48:58 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Conservative 2016!! The Dole, H.W. Bush, McCain, Romney experiment has failed.)
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To: ansel12

It’s not dishonest for me to say that libertarianism is not pro homo, and not pro abortion. You can disagree, but please don’t imply that I’m a liar.

Your issue is with liberalism and the libertarians that embrace it. Other libertarians like me embrace conservatism.


100 posted on 03/15/2014 3:50:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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