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Senators up pressure on Putin in Ukraine
The Hill ^ | 15 Mar 14 | Peter Schroeder

Posted on 03/15/2014 1:01:48 PM PDT by elhombrelibre

A delegation of U.S. senators looked to up pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin Saturday, as tensions around Ukraine heightened.

A bipartisan group of eight senators traveling through Ukraine blasted the Russian leader, and called Sunday’s election on whether Crimea should join Russia rigged and illegitimate. Some of the senators called for the U.S. to provide military equipment to Ukrainian troops, and the group vowed crippling economic sanctions against Russia until the nation pulled back.

“This is the person that stated that the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) of Putin. “We have to treat him for what he is. That does not reignite the Cold War, but it means we enact steps that make it clear…that his ambitions will not be realized by the great community of nations that would resist him.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Russia
KEYWORDS: 113th; bhorussia; crimea; johnmccain; putin; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 03/15/2014 1:01:48 PM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

It’s embarrassing to see American officials actually trying to intimidate Putin. Our foreign policy is an embarrassment.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 1:04:56 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin would respond to them, if he could just stop laughing.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 1:05:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elhombrelibre

“A bipartisan group of eight senators traveling through Ukraine blasted the Russian leader, and called Sunday’s election on whether Crimea should join Russia rigged and illegitimate.”

Hawaii says Aloha!


4 posted on 03/15/2014 1:06:55 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
Hawaii says Aloha!

Ouch!

5 posted on 03/15/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elhombrelibre

McCain should have been let out to pasture years ago.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 1:08:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: elhombrelibre

Let’s think this through. How do we get into space? Oh, we hitch a ride with the Russians. How do we supply our troops in Afghanistan? Oh, we rely on transiting Russian owned and controlled territory...How much pressure are we going to exert before the pressure us back?


7 posted on 03/15/2014 1:08:26 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Spok
It’s embarrassing to see American officials actually trying to intimidate Putin. Our foreign policy is an embarrassment.

Why shouldn't they at least try? Putin is obviously unafraid of Obama, so perhaps the Legislative branch can at least do a little good. The more they ratchet up the pressure, the more Obama is, perhaps, boxed in to raising the stakes himself.

8 posted on 03/15/2014 1:09:05 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: elhombrelibre

“A delegation of U.S. senators looked to up pressure on Russian President Vladimir Putin Saturday, as tensions around Ukraine heightened.”

Because THAT’S what the situation called for?


9 posted on 03/15/2014 1:09:28 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: elhombrelibre

They should have thought about that before canceling the F22 and praising nuclear reduction along with screwing veterans and using food stamps for votes... oh, and Obama is not American in my book.

Putin plays the Great Game, he could care less about US investments and Bush Jr propane truck for Africans.

How do they say in Albanian “Good Luck”


10 posted on 03/15/2014 1:10:51 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Longbow1969

No. Empty threats are worse than nothing.


11 posted on 03/15/2014 1:11:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Spok

We have no foreign policy; its all ad hoc.


12 posted on 03/15/2014 1:12:12 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Cicero

Absolutely right! You have to say what you mean, and mean what you say.

Obama’s words are hollow and everyone around the globe knows it.


13 posted on 03/15/2014 1:13:26 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Starboard

Our foreign policy is now all about coddling Muslims and Gays.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 1:13:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elhombrelibre
A bipartisan group of eight senators traveling through Ukraine blasted the Russian leader, and called Sunday’s election on whether Crimea should join Russia rigged and illegitimate

That's bull sh*t.

15 posted on 03/15/2014 1:14:10 PM PDT by McGruff (The first casualy of war is truth)
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To: dfwgator

The Senators who could not stop the Black Panther invasion and intimidation at our poll booths call out the Russian invasion... right.


16 posted on 03/15/2014 1:14:48 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: elhombrelibre

In other news...

Isikov Matyurtkian, the mayor of Vladivostok, Russia, is in Detroit, Michigan with several other Russian delegates, demanding that the United States open several Wal-Mart grocery stores because many neighborhoods are considered to be “food deserts”.


17 posted on 03/15/2014 1:15:08 PM PDT by moovova
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To: elhombrelibre

Probably has him shaking in his shoes. This man is so many moves ahead of the mom-jean wearer and the vietnam vet that they’re going to be disgraced.

We stopped being a serious country and culture and society a long time ago. We will suffer.

It will be deserved.


18 posted on 03/15/2014 1:15:08 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: McGruff

Bipartisan means US voters not a concern, just the party mafyas.


19 posted on 03/15/2014 1:15:33 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: dfwgator

Talk about a dichotomy! You couldn’t find two more opposing groups. No wonder nobody takes us seriously.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 1:16:15 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Longbow1969

Clowns are clowns. The Feds have outlived their usefulness.


21 posted on 03/15/2014 1:16:34 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: Gen.Blather; Marguerite; melancholy; onyx
While we're occupied on Ukraine...the US is further inciting things in Venezuela ...

Senate passes bill Thursday to send 15 million to Opposition leaders in Venezuela and....!!!!!!

On Thursday, the US ‘Senate’ introduced a bipartisan bill that compels Washington to target Venezuelan officials, who it says are involved in violence in Venezuela..........The proposed bill also includes an additional ‘15 million dollars in funds to help the Venezuelan opposition.’

Meanwhile, ten members of the US ‘House’ of Representatives are seeking to impose visa bans, asset freezes and financial sanctions on Venezuelan officials.

Venezuela’s foreign minister has slammed US Secretary of State John Kerry for meddling in the internal affairs of the country.

22 posted on 03/15/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre

Walk loudly but carry a small d*ck....


23 posted on 03/15/2014 1:18:48 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("H)
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To: elhombrelibre

oh yeah, real pressure.

Hey, how about you eight clowns put pressure on the man-child to stop violating the Constitution?


24 posted on 03/15/2014 1:21:02 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lavaroise
Putin plays the Great Game

Let's define what that means. It means Putin has a long term strategy. I believe he has an ultimate goal of destroying the United States. Whether this is born of political ideology or just megalomania is not the point when we have no counter long term goals on which we base a foreign policy. Someday, we're going to have to get one.

25 posted on 03/15/2014 1:25:42 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: elhombrelibre

Both the senate and the house could vote 100% for action against Russia and mac daddy would just ignore them and draw another red line.

Mac daddy is Putin’s bitch and he knows it just like the rest of the world knows it also.


26 posted on 03/15/2014 1:29:43 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: lavaroise

Bipartisan means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out. - George Carlin


27 posted on 03/15/2014 1:30:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elhombrelibre

These senators are way way out of line. It is not their purview.


28 posted on 03/15/2014 1:35:38 PM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: No One Special
It means Putin has a long term strategy. I believe he has an ultimate goal of destroying the United States.

Putin and Obama have a lot in common.

29 posted on 03/15/2014 1:36:31 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: No One Special
I believe he has an ultimate goal of destroying the United States.

Obama is going to make it a moot point.

30 posted on 03/15/2014 1:37:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: elhombrelibre

The US Senate is afraid of Obama, yet think they will intimidate Putin?


31 posted on 03/15/2014 1:48:21 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: dfwgator

Obama is not going to nuke us. There’s a lot of ruin in a country.


32 posted on 03/15/2014 1:48:53 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: FreeReign

Yep.


33 posted on 03/15/2014 1:51:06 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: elhombrelibre

Have you seen the horrible images of the slaughter and the refugees fleeing Crimea ahead of the barbaric Russian hordes?

Me neither.

I’m starting to feel real Alex Jonesish. This “crisis” just doesn’t add up.

BTW - it was Putin who tried to stop the Tsarnaev brothers, not these idiots.


34 posted on 03/15/2014 2:38:36 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (On the wrong side of history.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Presently, the takeover and invasion with elite Russian forces has not required them to kill a lot of people. So there is some good in that. I am reading of people leaving out of fear, but not huge numbers. It’s possible they’ll grow use to living under Putinism.


35 posted on 03/15/2014 2:50:40 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: McGruff

The enitre referendum in the Crimea was in fact a rigged vote and a Russian sham in the same tradition as Soviet totalitarian elections.


36 posted on 03/15/2014 3:45:50 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Tell that to the Ukrainians abducted by Putin’s military forces in the Crimea when they dared to protest the Russian invasion. Putin’s Russian regime is fomenting the violence rather than stopping the violence. Yanukovich was Putin’s puppet in the Ukrainian government as witnessed by U.S. secretary of State Condoleeza Rice.


37 posted on 03/15/2014 3:49:22 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Ray76

“These senators are way way out of line. It is not their purview.”

On the conrary, these are the Senators whose committee assignments give them the authority to guide U.S. policy and budgets giving economic and military support to the Government of the Ukraine in compliance with the guarantee of Ukrainian territorial integrity the United States became obligated to defend in the 1994 multilateral agreement under international law with Russia.


38 posted on 03/15/2014 3:54:23 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
United States became obligated to defend in the 1994 multilateral agreement under international law with Russia.

When was this "agreement" ratified by the Senate?

39 posted on 03/15/2014 3:56:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: caww

You sound like an apologist for the totalitarian Communist regimes given how you ignore the fact Cuban military forces and secret police are being used to intervene in Venezuelan internal affairs, kill, arrest, and otherwise intimidate the citizens of Venezuela and deny them their human rights guaranteed undedr the Charter of the United Nations. In effect you choose to deny the people of Venezuela the right to defend their lives and property by their own internal means and by calling upon support form external support to offset the external Communist totalitarian interventions in the internal affairs.


40 posted on 03/15/2014 4:00:06 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX

Does that include inciting the citizens of that country?


41 posted on 03/15/2014 4:07:25 PM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: dfwgator

“When was this “agreement” ratified by the Senate?”

President Clinton chose to negotiate the Budapest Memorandum 1994 as the format of the agreement, which is not a treaty and is not subject to a requirement for ratification by the U.S. Senate because it has no binding legal obligation to take action in the event of a breach of the agreement by the parties to the agreement. Instead, there is only a non-legal moral obligation to comply with the agreement, international law, and the authorization under the Budapest Articles of the International Law Association by which the signatory nations agreed there was a legal and moral obligation to provide military and diplomatic support to a nation subjected to aggression in breach of the Kellogg-Briand Pact and its prohibing wars of aggression under international law.

In other words, the obligation exists in prior treaties ratified by the U.S. Congress and the authorities those agreements granted to the enforcement of the Budapest Memorandum 1994 and other related international agreements.

Ukrainian Intelligence Opposed Signing of Budapest Agreement
http://www.voanews.com/content/ukrainian-intelligence-opposed-signing-of-budapest-agreement/1868759.html


42 posted on 03/15/2014 4:32:55 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: Ray76

“Does that include inciting the citizens of that country?”

Why are you not asking that question of Putin and his regime’s Russian and Ukrainian provocateurs who have tried for years to subvert the Ukrainian government, the Ukrainian economy, and provoke a Ukrainian civil war as a pretext for a Russian conquest of the Ukraine nation whose territorial integrity Russian agreed to respect in exchange for Ukrainian surrender of the world’s third largest nuclear weapons force in the world?

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you object to a few U.S. Senators exercising their right of free speech in pursuit of their lawful duties which provide for guaranteeing Ukrainian territorial integrity; while you manifestly fail to note the overwhelming massive efforts of the Putin regime to overthrow the Ukrainian control of their own government, homes, and lives?


43 posted on 03/15/2014 4:40:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX

Anything Bill Clinton signed isn’t worth the piece of paper it’s signed on.


44 posted on 03/15/2014 4:41:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Anything Bill Clinton signed isn’t worth the piece of paper it’s signed on.”

The situation makes a person wonder if the Budapest Memorandum was deliberately negotiated by Bill Clinton in favor of Russia and the future ambitions of the retrenched Bolshevists?


45 posted on 03/15/2014 4:45:24 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
So are you a Globalist as well? or perhaps a Citizen of the World?...You sound like it when by stating what the UN guarantees. However...our involvement in other peoples country is NEVER about Freedom of the people....you can buy that if you want to...I do not.


46 posted on 03/15/2014 6:13:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Communists are another form of Globalists bent upon the totalitarian destructionn of individual freedoms the American Revolution and the U.S. Constitution were designed to suppress. The existence of the United Nations and the current state of internaitonal law are established facts that everyone has to contend with even though some of us are opposed to its depredations aginst the U.S. Constitution and the American Revolution’s spirit of reserving the powers of sovereignty to U.S. citizens insofar as they have not been delegated to the U.S. Congress or the States.

Your transparent attempts to link support of the Venezuelan people and their natural born himan rights to predatory oil diplomacy is phony, false, and more of the anti-American false propaganda conceived to divide American public opinion in favor of the Communist-socialist totalitarian regimes.


47 posted on 03/15/2014 6:24:50 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: WhiskeyX
....”more of the anti-American false propaganda conceived to divide American public opinion in favor of the Communist-socialist totalitarian regimes”....

That is not my intentions.....I am not for what Putin is doing, however I do understand why he is doing so. And we would do likewise if He was attempting to put Missiles on our back doorstep...which is the condition set for the US to assist Ukrainians with their revolution and their financial crisis.

These are certainly geo-politics playing out in Ukraine and have been a long time coming. I resent greatly that the USA interferes in certain nations for their wrong doing and this for the sake of principle,...then turns around and has no principles about the wrong doing of another nation and in fact supports and funds the very people who are creating the problems in the first place.

Our country interferes too often behind the thugs protesting.....even if those running the country may be thugs themselves....Syria's an example...Egypt and Libya...and others. It is wrong for us to incite and orchestrate these uprising....sit back and watch the violence and killings...and then come in and set up our chosen people to Govern...and walk away with the bank.

Look at Croatia today and others we “helped”....just like populations we will always have the poor or less prosperous ....so to with nations. But to purposely go into nations to control resources and control...I have a serious problem this is done by our country.

Putin will always be who he is.....and his PR campaign, though makes him attractive to his people, does not fool anyone else...however, the International Leaders have accepted him into their fold...as one might keep their enemy close....but the bear is still a bear just the same and we see that playing out...they underestimated him. He's doing only what is natural for him to do...and the US took the risk..the same as in Syria knowing full well they'd go up against Putin....and the Drums of War escalated....and now here we are again.

48 posted on 03/15/2014 7:15:16 PM PDT by caww
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To: WhiskeyX

A “few U.S. Senators exercising their right of free speech” is vastly different from conducting foreign policy - exclusively the domain of the Executive.


49 posted on 03/15/2014 10:26:22 PM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: WhiskeyX

In my opinion the duty is upon the Executive not the Legislative.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 12:14:04 AM PDT by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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