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THE POLITICAL MYSTERY OF MALAYSIA FLIGHT 370
New Yorker | MARCH 13, 2014 | Amy Davidson

Posted on 03/15/2014 2:05:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway

THE POLITICAL MYSTERY OF MALAYSIA FLIGHT 370


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: malaysia; mh370; planecrash; plannehijack

1 posted on 03/15/2014 2:05:33 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

To say we don’t know what happened by now, I believe, is a lie.

I believe Barrycades knows. By now. With all the assets and satellites and snooping ability we have.

I wonder if it’s part so they can do what they want to do with it to us, before we “officially” find out. So they can carry out whatever plan they have with it.

Or that they can secure the IC people in China that we’ll never find them.


2 posted on 03/15/2014 2:16:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

Its obvious that whoever disabled the tracking systems, altered course and altitude was a skilled pilot and very knowledgeable of the 777. If the investigation excludes the passengers consider the following scenario. The young twenty six year old co pilot once took girls into the cockpit and probably considered himself a stud. Suppose he made a pass at one of the flight attendants and she told him to get lost. Young men when they are frustrated and humiliated sometimes do impulsive things. The jet reaches its cruising altitude and bearing, the fifty three year old pilot leaves the cockpit to go to the bathroom. By now the young co pilot transforms his anger by imagining himself a jihadist who will seek martyrdom by killing his mostly infidel Chinese passengers. He locks the cockpit door, disables the tracking devices, climbs to 45,000 feet to kill or disable the passengers and crew, flies the plane toward Mecca, and finally crashes into the ocean when he runs out of fuel.


3 posted on 03/15/2014 2:21:28 PM PDT by allendale
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To: nickcarraway

Its obvious that whoever disabled the tracking systems, altered course and altitude was a skilled pilot and very knowledgeable of the 777. If the investigation excludes the passengers consider the following scenario. The young twenty six year old co pilot once took girls into the cockpit and probably considered himself a stud. Suppose he made a pass at one of the flight attendants and she told him to get lost. Young men when they are frustrated and humiliated sometimes do impulsive things. The jet reaches its cruising altitude and bearing, the fifty three year old pilot leaves the cockpit to go to the bathroom. By now the young co pilot transforms his anger by imagining himself a jihadist who will seek martyrdom by killing his mostly infidel Chinese passengers. He locks the cockpit door, disables the tracking devices, climbs to 45,000 feet to kill or disable the passengers and crew, flies the plane toward Mecca, and finally crashes into the ocean when he runs out of fuel.


4 posted on 03/15/2014 2:21:28 PM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

More likely is that the terrorist network observed his lax cockpit behavior and took advantage of easy access.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 2:27:56 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: allendale

I read they’re searching the home of the older pilot.

Doesn’t it seem odd he’d build a simulated cockpit just because he likes flying so much?


6 posted on 03/15/2014 2:34:30 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: allendale

In response to your scenario:

There are those that would say, “What a devoted young man.” (To Islam, that is.)


7 posted on 03/15/2014 2:40:34 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: nickcarraway
Plane crashes are always political. That principle is on full view in the discordant mystery of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370,...........

I look at it this way and is why I think the information is so muddled.

You have a Muslim country Malasia that loses a plane headed to an Infidel country, China.
Two more nearby Infidel countries Vietnam and India get involved.

The Infidel USA also gets involved even though the plane is not one of our airliners, and the plane was not going to or from the USA. and it was not primarily carrying American passengers and it happened on the other side of the world from us.(Our interest is to find out if the 777 was defective because we have many of them, and if it was terrorism can it pose a threat to us.)

You throw in the several different languages and cultures involved and it contributes to the mess.
To that add in the various military and their secretive nature about what their satellite and radar capabilities are.
Not to mention the dislike and distrust between all of the countries involved.

Bottom line - The countries involved have different interests and agendas, cooperation will be a problem, and it could take years to muddle through this mystery. -Tom .

8 posted on 03/15/2014 2:48:09 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: nickcarraway
If the plane was hijacked, the question is, "Why?" Was it intended to be immediately used as a 9/11-type aerial weapon, but crashed before it reached its target? If so, what was the target? And if it was to be used for some future aerial attack, after being refueled and perhaps loaded with additional explosives, where was it being taken and did it make it to its destination? How easy is it to hide such a plane on the ground?

And if the plane was not going to be used as a weapon, how was it going to be used?
9 posted on 03/15/2014 2:48:37 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: 9YearLurker

No, it isn’t. Even many Freeper pilots thought this would not be uncommon for a pilot.


10 posted on 03/15/2014 2:54:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The pilot had a very expensive and complex Boeing 777 flight simulator in his home. Was this where he could practice for his crime away from prying eyes?

The pilot and copilot were devout Muslims.
The plane was deliberately stolen and hijacked.
Then the plane climbed to 45,000 feet - 2000 feet above the aircraft’s service ceiling - this could only have been to kill all the passengers. There is no other reason to do this. This plane was handled masterfully the entire time - whoever did this was a fox, not a fool.
The plane could only then have a value as one of two things:
1.) Some valuable cargo (Gold has been speculated)
2.) The aircraft itself.

If it’s the aircraft, then it could only have been to be reloaded with explosives and sent off on a terror mission.

It wasn’t pilot suicide as the plane flew on for 7 hours and flew below the radar deliberately. If it was suicide, he could have just crashed it on takeoff or anywhere else.

Something far bigger and nastier is being plotted.
All Western nations and especially Israel should be on alert and all 777s should be carefully monitored for anything suspicious.

This one can fly under the radar tailing a 777 full of passengers. The one full of passengers gets shot down over a body of water and disappears while this one takes its place.

It flies on to the destination undetected, as the pilot will set the transponder to match the signal of the downed plane. Then this plane can fly into any city it wants... then at the last second divert to a nuclear facility or some other high value target.

This was not suicide, but something else.
All on board except the pilot and conspirators are dead.
This is probably not over.


11 posted on 03/15/2014 2:57:45 PM PDT by Fear The People (Fear The People = Liberty)
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To: Fear The People

Gold on board explains everythng, to me.

And once all the insurers and their bankers understood gold was the target, it would be best if the plane is never found.
The total liability in this case is billions and endless trials and investigations.

It explains all the nation’s leaderships’ silence, too. If China said ‘hey! my gold was on that flight!’ and salvage rights applied, that plane would be found by the guys that found the Titanic in 18 hours.


12 posted on 03/15/2014 3:12:36 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

It only takes one pilot to yell “jihad” or “Allah” and you’re screwed.

Me, I rarely fly as I don’t like the fact someone else is controlling my fate.

If I knew I was about to board a plane that had muzzie pilots would I fly on that plane?

HELL NO..................


13 posted on 03/15/2014 3:34:52 PM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: Secret Agent Man

Perhaps, but I need many more facts. And there are, indeed, MANY dead areas our satellites don’t constantly track. You know where they are, and some are no mystery, and it’s not that tough to pull this off with the right people.

But there is sure not enough public evidence, implicit or explicit, that allows any reasonable conclusions to be reached.


14 posted on 03/15/2014 3:39:07 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: allendale
>>>and finally crashes into the ocean when he runs out of fuel.

The problem I have with that scenario is this: They did all this planning and didn't think of something as simple as "do I have enough fuel to do what I have planned?"

They were experienced on this aircraft...you would know how far they could go on the fuel they had. If the goal was suicide...there is no need to disable the communications, ACARS and transponder. You just crash it.

15 posted on 03/15/2014 3:46:18 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

1. Agree. It would be easy to put the aircraft into a “cross controlled departure” which would be very hard to recover from and would put tremendous stress on the aircraft, likely leading to catastrophic airframe failure.
2. I don’t find it unusual for a pilot to build a simulator in his house. As a professional he wants to be good at his job and there are many systems/scenarios to rehearse and to be prepared for.


16 posted on 03/15/2014 4:21:41 PM PDT by pajama pundit ("SIN is not a family value, either")
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To: allendale

Like someone said on another thread:

“some people say there’s a woman to blame...:

The plane’s in Margaritaville.”

Makes as much sense as anything else.


17 posted on 03/15/2014 4:27:22 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 9YearLurker
I read they’re searching the home of the older pilot.
Doesn’t it seem odd he’d build a simulated cockpit just because he likes flying so much?

Not at all.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Airline pilots worldwide build simulator cockpits at home.
In addition, of course, to millions of ordinary folk who really like Flight Simulator. If I had the room, and the money, I would love such a project myself.
It's the only computer "game" that has ever attracted me.

18 posted on 03/15/2014 5:27:01 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: allendale

This part is true: flies the plane toward Mecca


19 posted on 03/15/2014 5:32:47 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: pajama pundit
I don't either. If I were a pilot and had the money...I would certainly have that sort of flight simulator.

I've got a couple thousand "sim" hours with MS FS (and a few hundred with Orbiter). I had modified my own aircraft in my "hanger" and actually had built my own airport outside of College Station.

About 5-10 years ago I was actually flying in the virtual world...with other FS "pilots" guided by real guys simulating ATC. I was part of 2 virtual flight airlines. Started off flying a shuttle route and worked my way up to the 737....flying domestic on one airline...and was flying long hauls on a 747 and 767 on the other.

Although my favorite time was flying my SR-71 and asking ATC for clearance to 70K+.

20 posted on 03/15/2014 5:34:02 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: publius911
Amen to that. See my post regarding the subject. It can be an addiction.

I loved flying my Sr-71...and I loved flying the 747 into locations that were low IFR (using live weather data).

The cockpit layouts are so real...that if all you had to do was FLY (and there were no emergencies)....a seasoned simmer could do it.

21 posted on 03/15/2014 5:36:50 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Fear The People

“The pilot and copilot were devout Muslims.”

Islam is the official religion of Malaysia.

“Then the plane climbed to 45,000 feet - 2000 feet above the aircraft’s service ceiling - this could only have been to kill all the passengers. There is no other reason to do this.”

Taking it to FL450 achieved nothing. Systems could still function at FL450 although the plane would be less capable of stable flight.

“This plane was handled masterfully the entire time - whoever did this was a fox, not a fool.”

Not sure about that. It could have stalled at FL450 which caused the sudden descent.


22 posted on 03/15/2014 5:40:13 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: 9YearLurker

“Doesn’t it seem odd he’d build a simulated cockpit just because he likes flying so much?”

That’s irrelevant.

What’s relevant is that the pilot was a good muslim and attended the mosque regularly.


23 posted on 03/15/2014 6:06:06 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: Fear The People

Excellent analysis.


24 posted on 03/15/2014 6:09:05 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: TexasGator
Agree with you. Also, you can just as easily incapacitate the passengers at 35,000 as you can at 45,000 by depressurizing. If the airlines are still using oxygen generators then they will last about 15 minutes, but if the pilot turns off the cabin heat also then the extreme cold will incapacitate as well.
25 posted on 03/15/2014 6:17:23 PM PDT by pajama pundit (I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution.)
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To: Fear The People

agreed... there was some type of valuable cargo on board.


26 posted on 03/16/2014 8:11:01 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Steve_Seattle

For the past several days, the simplest explanation compatible with the public facts is that the plane was hijacked, either by or with the aid of the flight crew. They chose the idea spot to turn off the transponders and go dark. The turn off course was, we are told in some reports, pre-programmed into the nav system (how this can be known, we are not told.)

So it’s pretty clear that whoever planned this had a plan. And that plan would probably have an objective, as you note.

They didn’t burn into the Petronas Towers; the nearest obvious large target.

What we’re told is that the plane either turned right, and headed off toward central Asia, or left, to eventually ditch in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

What’s simpler? The guys who planned this, after gaining control of the aircraft, decide to disappear in the sea? Or do they at least try to get to a preselected destination on land where they could meet up with some allies, hide out for a while, and get ready to use the plane, (and hostages?) for some novel purpose.

All you would need is a dry lake bed and a truck full of JetA-1 fuel. There’s no shortage of dry lake beds in central Asia.

So, i’d suggest that the past tense is premature. Maybe they are at the bottom of the ocean, and are no further worry to anyone. Maybe they crashed into a mountain, and are similarly, no longer a worry. But maybe they made it, and landed. That’s gotta be the contingency everyone is worried about.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 11:36:57 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Katya
agreed... there was some type of valuable cargo on board.

I hate to flip-flop, but I think what they were after was the aircraft.

My theory - and I may be entirely wrong, but all other ideas defy logic.

1.) The plane was stolen by the pilot.
2.) He is one of the world's best at this aircraft.
3.) He is a fox, not a fool.
4.) The plane sent a ping for 7 hours after the diversion - it is not in the sea.
5.) Rumors of gold as the cargo have evaporated - I bought it at first too. But when you think about it, monetary gain would not make sense. The pilot would never get to enjoy the stolen riches.
6.) They wanted the plane.
7.) They want to make a monstrous bomb out of it.
8.) This is not over.

The plane was delivered to Al Qaeda in Pakistan who have quickly covered it with camouflage and have begun the task of disposing of all the bodies.

Then they will refuel the plane and pack it full of explosives. It will be ten times as devastating as the unarmed planes that took down the World Trade Center in New York.

A rogue pilot from the perfidious Pakistani Air Force will accompany this jet on its final mission. They will again fly undetected under the radar and tail another 777. The F-16 will shoot it down. The stolen 777 packed with explosives will take its place.

It will fly into Israel or Western Europe. Even America if they wish. They will fly it into either a nuclear plant, a packed stadium or city center on a busy day.

The Dimona nuclear plant would be the easiest target in Israel, but if they have a rogue pilot in an F-16 too, then they will go for Washington DC or New York.

Farfetched?
No way. The hard part of this mission is already accomplished.

To fly from Pakistan to Israel undetected is child's play for the crew that pulled this off. Israel is on the edge of civilization - to the east is no-man's-land and this plane can approach undetected. To hit Israel or Europe, they can probably do it without shooting down another 777.

The same goes for the Mediterranean Sea.

They might wait for everyone to forget about this and scratch their heads. Maybe wait for the Commonwealth Games to start in Glasgow and crash it into a stadium with 100,000 people at an event watched by a billion.

Some really bad people now have this aircraft. It is not in the sea as there was a system to send a beacon if this plane went underwater.

28 posted on 03/16/2014 3:37:56 PM PDT by Fear The People (Fear The People = Liberty)
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