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MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 27
airliners.net ^ | 3/15/2014

Posted on 03/15/2014 6:50:47 PM PDT by aposiopetic

I've never been able to hit a cell tower and get a call through at 35,000 feet (or even at 20,000) when operating at speed. They must have much better phones in Malaysian than I do…


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bongino; iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror
The above is a representative post (#318) from the cited thread. There is a lively discussion there about the MH370 disappearance. A couple of forum members there are saying @flyingwithfish at Twitter has provided timely good information from the start. YMMV. Note: I am not a member of the airliners.net forum nor do I follow (nor am I:) @flyingwithfish, so this is just for FR's information/edification.
1 posted on 03/15/2014 6:50:47 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Dan Bongino, former Secret Service agent and now radio talk show host (mostly on WMAL), said today that his theory is that MH370 was trying to find another jumbo jet on an international flight in order to have a ‘mid-air collision’ with that airliner.

I thought about Dan’s scenario, and it could be possible, IMO, that they could have been looking for a Singapore Airlines, AirIndia or Qantas flight leaving that area (or that corridor) towards the US West Coast - or London - in order to ‘take it out’ in mid-flight.

Possible?


2 posted on 03/15/2014 6:52:23 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Link?


3 posted on 03/15/2014 6:55:07 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
That's a fascinating, and very scary scenario. However, there are a few problems with it, just off the top of my head.

1. Given the obviously high degree of precision in planning the operation. one would think they would have been at least able to come within proximity of another plane, if not carry it out successfully.

2. If that was there intent, unless they were targeting a specific flight to intercept, why head into the Indian Ocean? Far less traffic there, than over the South China Sea.

3. All airliners gave the automatic collision avoidance system..which warns if another plane is on a collision course. I think it only functions the forward 180 degrees, so to achieve surprise they'd have to overtake the plane from the rear...much harder to do, as speeds are pretty much the same, making closure far more difficult.

4 posted on 03/15/2014 7:01:24 PM PDT by ken5050 (I fear a world run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Of course...it’s possible!!! Ramming another jet that is airborne or on the ground, carrying regular bombs or explosives, carrying nuclear weapons, carrying poison gas cannisters or bio chemicals, flying into buildings, crashing into the ocean, crashing into land, holding passengers for ransom, etc., etc. Anything is possible.

IMHO, both Obama & his administration were asleep at the wheel on this one. The world is not safe these days...no matter where you are!!! The USA....thanks to Obama has no big stick anymore....Obama is the laughing stock of the world....and the folks that hate us are at will to do whatever they please.


5 posted on 03/15/2014 7:01:57 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Entirely possible.


6 posted on 03/15/2014 7:05:16 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Speaking of which, I think I recall reading a list of the nationalities of the passengers, and there were three (?) Americans. If so, have they been identified publicly?


7 posted on 03/15/2014 7:06:25 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: txhurl

Should add, that theoretical planned failed as there is no wreckage. I think we need to figure out who killed those two seals a few weeks ago.. who probably intercepted these plans.


8 posted on 03/15/2014 7:09:18 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Possible?

Unlikely to the greatest extent. The best place to carry this out is near a large airport, where airplanes are plentiful and slow. The terrorist only had to continue to Bejing and pick a target there. What had happened is exactly the opposite. Presuming that the action was unopposed, it's most logical to believe that the perpetrators have achieved their goal.

9 posted on 03/15/2014 7:12:52 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: aposiopetic

Tin foil hats make excellent cell phone coverage extenders ...

10 posted on 03/15/2014 7:16:39 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: aposiopetic

The best :list I could find

The majority of passengers on the missing plane were Chinese. There were three Americans were on board, including two children: Yan Zhang, 2 and Nicole Meng, 4. No details are available as to whom they were traveling with. The third American was Philip Wood, 51, an IBM employee from Texas.

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/03/14/usc-graduate-student-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-details-emerge


11 posted on 03/15/2014 7:18:16 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: txhurl

Brilliant.

They were 4,000 miles away on a rusty old ship.

But you should notify Drudge. Hot information like that should be publicized.


12 posted on 03/15/2014 7:18:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: aposiopetic

You know who will be a little bit pleased about this?

Non-muslim pilot candidates.

What airline —even those of Muslim countries— will deliberately seek out muzzie pilots, at least as enthusiastically as before..?

This scary episode will reinforce the idea; “Muslim = potentially explosive person”

I think brash passengers will even inquire about the religion of the pilots, pre-flight.


13 posted on 03/15/2014 7:21:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: old curmudgeon; tomkat

They were athletes who didn’t do drugs yet died of heroin poisoning, in Seychelles.

And it was Feb 24.

Curmudgeons gonna curmudge


14 posted on 03/15/2014 7:21:34 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: MeshugeMikey

Thanks for the info and the link.


15 posted on 03/15/2014 7:22:01 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Possible? Yes but not likely due to the fact reports claim they made an initial climb to 45,000 feet. Not a whole lot of targets at that altitude. LOL

Initially, upon reading the claim, i first wondered, how do they know since they claim the transponder was turned off. No one has been able to answer that, yet.

But if report is true, and now learning what we have, the attempt climb to 45,000 makes sense, albeit unsuccessful. Similar reports claim the airplane then dropped to 20,000 within a minute. Indicates they stalled the airplane.

It makes sense to climb to a higher altitude if your goal is fuel economy and to drive the airplane a long(er) distance. The problem with all that, is the flight crew would have known better to attempt to climb to 45,000 feet due to lack of performance.

With only 3 or 4 keystrokes on the FMC (flight management computer), data will inform the optimum and highest altitude available given the current weight and outside temperature.

Also, if in fact 45,000 feet exceeded the performance of the airplane, which several 777 drivers have said it certainly was, the autoflight system will not allow. To do so would require disconnecting pitch mode of the autopilot, leave roll mode engaged and climb using vertical speed command.

In other words, if this report is correct, a whole lot of crap going on in the cockpit in a very short period of time. It really does appear to be fully thought out and planned.

16 posted on 03/15/2014 7:24:37 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: txhurl

Why are you saying the two ex-SEALs on the Maersk Alabama had intercepted these plans?

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but...what type of evidence are you using to posit this?

The original report also intrigued me.


17 posted on 03/15/2014 7:24:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Get in behind it and “tail” it to the destination? Destination being someplace within the fuel (or refueled) range?


18 posted on 03/15/2014 7:25:44 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: aposiopetic

Two with Chinese parents. One an IBM guy.


19 posted on 03/15/2014 7:26:48 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: gaijin

Yes, that’s what I’m saying. This took weeks, months to plan, and Somalia would be very invested in pulling something like this off. Especially if there was gold in cargo, a theory which is whiffing up.


20 posted on 03/15/2014 7:28:34 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

No reason to take out another international flight.

The reason is to trail the other jet and look like one blip on the radar screen.


21 posted on 03/15/2014 7:28:36 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: txhurl

Gold...who said there was gold on that plane? That’s a motive as strong as terrorism, if there is a lot of it.


22 posted on 03/15/2014 7:29:50 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

The plane has run out of gas by now...a week later, so why don’t we have a crash site?


23 posted on 03/15/2014 7:30:36 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: WildHighlander57

..and don’t forget the ‘unknown’ passenger allowed as a ride along in the jump seat who isn’t on the flight manifest. I think his name was Mohammed Osama Al Zarqawi. /s


24 posted on 03/15/2014 7:30:56 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: aposiopetic
I've never been able to hit a cell tower and get a call through at 35,000 feet (or even at 20,000) when operating at speed. They must have much better phones in Malaysian than I do…

I've received texts at 35,000 when I left my phone not in airplane mode.

Directly over Salt Lake City, DEN-SMF.

25 posted on 03/15/2014 7:34:54 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: aposiopetic
They've added a Part 28 now:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6026383
26 posted on 03/15/2014 7:36:45 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Kackikat

It’s just one of the theories. But moving heavy gold, like moving pallets of heroin, has a lot of players who talk about what they do in their day job.


27 posted on 03/15/2014 7:38:40 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

No doubt. I am former military reserve and info was always on ‘a need to know’ basis, but now even the evening news tells what terrorists would want to know and can use against us, it’s scary for our soldiers.


28 posted on 03/15/2014 7:40:53 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: CivilWarBrewing
Had not heard nor read there was, what is called a "jumpseater" on board. And in the cockpit. Can you give a link to that. It is an interesting piece of information.
29 posted on 03/15/2014 7:41:05 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: Kackikat

They prolly landed someplace. The ELTs didn’t go off, as would be the case in the event of a crash.


30 posted on 03/15/2014 7:47:16 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

OK what was the name of that jihadi that was nicknamed “the pilot”?


31 posted on 03/15/2014 7:48:15 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Kackikat

Yep, the “news” is a bunch of fifth column-ists ....

Bunch of Blabber mouths only interested in getting the scoop and boosting their ratings.

:(


32 posted on 03/15/2014 7:50:39 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
I thought about Dan’s scenario, and it could be possible, IMO, that they could have been looking for a Singapore Airlines, AirIndia or Qantas flight leaving that area (or that corridor) towards the US West Coast - or London - in order to ‘take it out’ in mid-flight.

Possible?

If I were going to ram another airliner, I think I'd fly towards congested airspace rather than to one of the most remote places on the globe.

33 posted on 03/15/2014 7:54:10 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: ken5050

With regard to collision avoidance systems, I believe they are dependent on each airliner having their transponders on.


34 posted on 03/15/2014 8:09:10 PM PDT by Daus
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To: ken5050

“However, there are a few problems with it, just off the top of my head.”

Not too mention the DOZENS of available targets, at that time, on the same very busy airway they were on.


35 posted on 03/15/2014 8:15:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: WildHighlander57
Just speculating, but I see four seats here and it's possible there was a ride along not on the flight manifest. Airlines will sometimes allow employees to ride along. Something to consider..


36 posted on 03/15/2014 8:22:17 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Hmmmm, coulda been Anybody..

:0


37 posted on 03/15/2014 8:24:25 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

May not be on “manifest” but required to be on what is called “Gen Dec” General Declarations. Specially going to a foreign country, specially going to China. They not very nice if paperwork not in proper order.


38 posted on 03/15/2014 8:27:19 PM PDT by saywhatagain
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To: aposiopetic

bump


39 posted on 03/15/2014 8:49:30 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: ken5050

TCAS works 360 degrees.


40 posted on 03/15/2014 8:50:00 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: aposiopetic

One adult and two anchor babies.


41 posted on 03/15/2014 8:51:06 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: WildHighlander57

Drudge has a article on possibly Pakistan as a landing place...are there going to be ransom demands for the passengers? Or is the plane the actual target? Some of this just doesn’t make sense, unless their plan went awry and we will find the wreckage in the ocean soon.


42 posted on 03/15/2014 9:03:41 PM PDT by Kackikat
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