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Tensions high between black, white officers in St. Petersburg Police Department
Tampa Bay Times ^ | 3/12/2014

Posted on 03/16/2014 5:24:48 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

The decades-old strain between the black community and the Police Department has permeated the agency's rank-and-file.

Roughly 125 black police officers, city activists and clergy members met behind closed doors late Tuesday with Deputy Mayor Kanika Tomalin to discuss widespread racial turmoil. Tensions ran high during the 90-minute meeting held at Mount Zion Progressive Missionary Baptist Church on 20th Street S.

The group asked the city to halt five promotions, likely all white officers, planned for next month and asked for an outside agency to investigate the department's inequities against black officers.

"It's not about individuals," Assistant Chief Luke Williams told the group. "It's about relationships in the community."

While meeting leaders asked the media to leave and sit outside so the group could talk openly, reporters from the Tampa Bay Times and the Weekly Challenger could hear every word through a collapsible wall dividing the room and the sitting area.

Those attending told Tomalin that they have no faith in the white leaders of the department. After hearing complaints for about 20 minutes, Tomalin said she and Mayor Rick Kriseman would not intervene.

"Like it or not, we have a person serving as interim chief," Tomalin said, referring to interim Chief David DeKay. "The mayor is not at all interested in undermining his authority."

The crowd wasn't pacified by her response.

With a nationwide search under way for a new police chief, the department is fractured into two camps behind the top internal candidates: Williams and Assistant Chief Melanie Bevan.

Williams has the support of fellow black officers. Many on Tuesday accused Bevan of running the department while working behind the scenes to win union support. She declined to comment Wednesday.

Kriseman also would not comment on the issues Wednesday. "At this point in time, I'm gathering all the facts," he said. "I'm not prepared to respond."

The group also said they worried that the internal strife could keep top candidates from applying for the post. Many of the messages they hammered in Tuesday were common refrains in last fall's mayor's race, including:

• Lack of communication and disregard for high-ranking African-Americans in the department. Black officers believe the chain of command is broken and accused white leaders of intentionally hiding information to ostracize and back-stab them.

• Black officers say they have no way up the ladder. They accused white leaders of passing over African-Americans to promote union activists who want to hold power. The group wants Kriseman to shelve next month's promotions until a new chief takes over.

• Black officers believe they are held to different standards by the brass and face more scrutiny when discipline is issued. They also say leaders react faster when complaints are made against black officers.

Since taking office in January, Kriseman kept a pledge to tighten the pursuit policy expanded under former Mayor Bill Foster. The union opposed the change, but residents applauded.

A union leader declined to comment on the group's issues Wednesday but has repeatedly said the union doesn't have a favorite candidate and only wants a new chief.

Last month, DeKay announced that the agency would appoint four new sergeants and a lieutenant in April. More would follow once a new chief is selected, the memo said.

With four sergeant slots available, the chief can look at five candidates for each job. Of the 36 eligible, the highest African-American ranked 22nd. The other two were ranked 30th and 32nd.

For one lieutenant spot, the highest-ranking black officer was fifth.

"What they're trying to do is the PBA (union) is trying to stack the deck," a man told Tomalin. "This isn't our first rodeo."

"We expect to be treated equally throughout the process," an officer shouted.

The crowd clapped.

In the recent election, the Suncoast Police Benevolent Association was among Foster's biggest supporters, pouring money into his campaign and providing foot soldiers to canvass streets for votes.

Several people reminded Tomalin on Tuesday that the black community helped put Kriseman in City Hall.

"You should inform the mayor that we need an independent, outside investigation of the Police Department," a man told Tomalin. "They don't have the best intention of African-Americans."

She cautioned that such an investigation could halt the promotions and chief search.

Tomalin reassured the group that Kriseman cares about the problems, but she needed to hear more specific examples. No one has more invested in St. Petersburg than she and Kriseman, Tomalin added.

One man warned that Kriseman could lose support in neighborhoods south of Central Avenue if he doesn't quell the flaring tensions. "We ask Kriseman to not turn his back on us," the man said. "Right now it seems like it didn't matter."

Tomalin said the allegations of unfairness surrounding the testing and selection process need scrutiny from city officials. "I speak for the mayor. I'm the deputy mayor," she said, later noting politics wasn't a factor. "These promotions will not happen."

The tension subsided.

After the meeting, Tomalin said that the community has "some serious needs to work on" and that she has the authority to halt the promotions without input from Kriseman or DeKay.

On Wednesday afternoon, DeKay said he had not talked to Tomalin, but said the group's allegations will be taken seriously by the department.

"We're aware of the issues," he said. "We're sorting through them. There will be action taken."


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Roughly 125 black police officers, city activists

'activist'? WTH is an activist? Do whites have activist?

1 posted on 03/16/2014 5:24:48 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

activist = black supremacists


2 posted on 03/16/2014 5:26:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“Do whites have activist? “

If whites had activists they’d be called racists. Blacks can not, by definition be racist.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 5:29:05 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: driftdiver
Kanika Tomalin?

I am sure white officers got a fair hearing.....

4 posted on 03/16/2014 5:30:34 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Surveillance means you already are a subject of the government. Smile and bow!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Police Activists =

Either Black Police in Gangs, like in NY, attacking whites.

or

DO”J”-empowered Black LEO operating above all “Laws”
(which don’t apply to the EXEMPT or criminals, anyway).


5 posted on 03/16/2014 5:32:22 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Altura Ct.

An “activist” is merely an agitator.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 5:32:53 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Surveillance means you already are a subject of the government. Smile and bow!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Behind closed doors? With the Mayor? Sunshine Law doesn’t exist in St. Pete, apparently!


7 posted on 03/16/2014 5:34:05 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Altura Ct.

Is there any workplace where affirmative action is used to award jobs and promotions to people where it doesn’t cause tension? This is absurd...


8 posted on 03/16/2014 5:34:27 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Altura Ct.

No, there are no white activists. Maybe it is time they got some.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 5:35:42 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: Rapscallion

“With four sergeant slots available, the chief can look at five candidates for each job. Of the 36 eligible, the highest African-American ranked 22nd. The other two were ranked 30th and 32nd.
“For one lieutenant spot, the highest-ranking black officer was fifth.”

If it’s based entirely on merit (it may not be, I know nothing about that department), and you promote solely on that basis, then where’s the complaint?

“You should inform the mayor that we need an independent, outside investigation of the Police Department,” a man told Tomalin. “They don’t have the best intention of African-Americans.”

Cry wolf too often (everything is racism!), and one day I’ll stop believing you, even if that does turn out to be the case.

“These promotions will not happen.”

Is that fair to those who were going to be promoted? Can they sue for loss of wages, seniority, etc., caused by racism?

According to the chart at the site, about 1/8 of the whites hold higher rank (sgt. and above); and 1/4 of the blacks hold higher rank; and only 1 out of 37 latino officers holds higher rank.

Maybe their first job (if race is what counts) is to promote a few more latino officers—and decrease the percentage of black officers?


10 posted on 03/16/2014 5:36:21 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Altura Ct.

They don’t want to be treated equally.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 5:36:44 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Altura Ct.
It's not about individuals
And THAT is the problem.
12 posted on 03/16/2014 5:37:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Altura Ct.

promotions based on merit (test scores) or skin color. lets see the skin color must take precedence, otherwise it is racist.

gee where i live the chief of police has a problem busted in the past for being intoxicated in a police cruiser while on duty. the state patrol caught the police chief once again, the union says it did not happen.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 5:37:51 AM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Altura Ct.

An “activist” is a brilliant, really-really smart, intensely intelligent, Progressive genius who knows everything, sees everything and who is the only legitimate answer to everything.

/s/

IMHO


14 posted on 03/16/2014 5:38:36 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Altura Ct.

Sounds like a fun place to work.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 5:38:45 AM PDT by stevem
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To: Gen.Blather

Actually, blacks are by definition racist. Most all of their organizations and institutions are racist. Their leaders are professional racists.

The evolution into racist is a destructive rather than constructive force.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 5:38:55 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Cboldt

Exactly. The individual is the smallest minority.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 5:39:42 AM PDT by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Activists are ‘community organizers’.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 5:40:37 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Altura Ct.

Don’t you know white “activists” are racist???


19 posted on 03/16/2014 5:40:47 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Altura Ct.
Once again the politicians overlook the obvious answer to their problem. Since the Africanmericans POlice officers just want a way up the ladder andbelive they are being discriminated against, maybe the city should just make every Africanmerica new hire a Sargent and any with more than a month seniority a lieutenant Oh yeah, appoint he black guy chief. Oh yeah. Don't forget to redesign the uniforms. Something along the lines of Idi Amin's. That solves one problem. But...................
20 posted on 03/16/2014 5:41:19 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Rapscallion

South St Pete is intent to prove they can out Detroit Detroit.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 5:41:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altura Ct.
"... and asked for an outside agency to investigate the department's inequities against black officers.

Let me guess.
The outside agency will be from the post-racial Obama Administration, and will report to the Eric "Not a Race Coward" Holder DOJ.
Don't do the crime if you ain't got the time, and you don't need no "city agitators".

22 posted on 03/16/2014 5:42:12 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Altura Ct.

“’activist’? WTH is an activist?”

Strange question considering this was posted in News/Activism on a website dedicated to activism.

“We are a political discussion forum and independent grassroots conservative activist group supported by donations from our readers and participants.”


23 posted on 03/16/2014 5:44:54 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Gen.Blather

It took many years on a NFL team forum for that and other gripes to sink into my skull.

The only solution I see is segregation


24 posted on 03/16/2014 5:49:06 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Altura Ct.
I'm glad that they are fighting among themselves.

I do know that if I was White and lived in St. Petersburg that I would get the hell out of there. And if I chose to stay, I would prepare myself for the worst, both mentally and physically.It is about to get bad for you. Because, in order to show that they are not "oppressing" the poor mistreated Blacks, The police department is about to look the other way when the Blacks commit crimes and play their knock out game.

This "meeting" was like two skunks getting into a pissing contest. Very little good will come from it. In fact, they were sending messages citywide. Whether these messages will be heeded[by the Whites] remains yet to be seen. The Blacks have already gotten the message loud and clear.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 5:50:11 AM PDT by sport
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To: Fuzz

Are you purposely being obtuse? Do whites have activist?


26 posted on 03/16/2014 5:51:10 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Fuzz
We are a political discussion forum and independent grassroots conservative activist group supported by donations <and unapologetic sarcasm> from our readers and participants
27 posted on 03/16/2014 5:51:14 AM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: Rapscallion

You know it. Just as fair as a Jew in one of the “people’s court in Germany in 1938.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 5:52:01 AM PDT by sport
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To: driftdiver

And before it is over, they will.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 5:53:05 AM PDT by sport
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To: Bushbacker1

Laws are for little people. And so the rulers can prosecute their political enemies.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 5:54:46 AM PDT by sport
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To: Mercat

Correct!


31 posted on 03/16/2014 5:55:30 AM PDT by sport
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To: kearnyirish2

Not that I am aware.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 5:56:15 AM PDT by sport
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To: Altura Ct.
"It's not about individuals," Assistant Chief Luke Williams told the group. "It's about relationships in the community."

It's not about individuals. It's about the race of those individuals.

33 posted on 03/16/2014 5:57:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Altura Ct.

“Are you purposely being obtuse?”

Any perceived obtuseness is an unintentional result of intentional snarkiness.

“Do whites have activist?”

No. We’re all inactive with no opinions.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 6:00:41 AM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Altura Ct.

Let’s see, seems the blacks don’t like the union, blacks don’t like the whites, blacks ignore the Latinos, Asians, and looks like American Indians, and are threatening unrest in black areas,(riots in other words), if another group did these type things it would be considered fermenting violence.

Just another day in the twisted Black World. Thugs in disagreement about how to divide the spoils. I am sure this can be worked out peaceably as long as the blacks get whatever they want. If not it is good to know the cops are all armed and on steroids, for those who have never seen steroid rage, it ain’t pretty. Looking forward to further accounts from Tampa.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 6:13:13 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Rapscallion

The left pulled off a coup by renaming “agitators” as “activists”, and “radicals” as “liberals”. And because the typical American is decidedly anti-socialist, the left now tries to pretend that the socialism inherent in the Democrat party platform is something other than socialism. Though this makes them deeply unhappy, because they would love to scream their passion for socialism from the rooftops.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 6:18:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Hey...they’ve got the union — that’s even better!


37 posted on 03/16/2014 6:19:48 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Altura Ct.
"It's about relationships in the community."

IOW, they're entitled to promotions because of the color of their skin.
38 posted on 03/16/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by adorno (Y)
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To: ripley

Yes, and he looks really, really good in Mom jeans!


39 posted on 03/16/2014 6:32:44 AM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: CondorFlight
"It's not about individuals," Assistant Chief Luke Williams told the group. "It's about relationships in the community."

Justification for discrimination and racism.

40 posted on 03/16/2014 6:33:17 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Altura Ct.

Blacktivist ....


41 posted on 03/16/2014 6:36:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Altura Ct.

Black-RATs vs Union-RATs.

I like it.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 6:37:16 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Actually this seems to be a battle between union thugs and black officers. I would surmise there is no “good” side in this battle. But, if the union are protecting their own, the black officers may have a case.


43 posted on 03/16/2014 6:44:55 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Bm


44 posted on 03/16/2014 6:54:11 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Altura Ct.
Of the 36 eligible, the highest African-American ranked 22nd. The other two were ranked 30th and 32nd. For one lieutenant spot, the highest-ranking black officer was fifth.

Well, there's your problem ... you are using objective criteria.

45 posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:38 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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“Of the 36 eligible, the highest African-American ranked 22nd. The other two were ranked 30th and 32nd. For one lieutenant spot, the highest-ranking black officer was fifth.

Well, there’s your problem ... you are using objective criteria.”
********************************************************************

It’s not FAIR to discriminate against the room-temperature IQ crowd!


46 posted on 03/16/2014 7:20:47 AM PDT by House Atreides
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To: NonValueAdded
A buddy of mine says it would have been better had the Brits won the Rev. He postulated they outlawed slavery before the US did so what would have happened is they would have loaded them all on ships and sent them back to africa ending potential racial problems here.

I see these things getting worse as we balkanize our population more by bringing in more "disadvantaged" in the future. Every ethnic group seems to have a grievance against “the establishment”. These grievances can mostly be traced to either a desire or inability to gain traction in the economic system. Ironically, those who do advance seem to have no problems. Seems to me they did so by way of education and personal perseverance. Those who don't have a grudge and continue to whine about “unfairness” rather than looking within. They point to racial discrimination rather than to a class bias which it more likely is. For instance, Do I want to live next to a crack house, a low income housing development, zig zag past double and triple parked low riders, or listen to bongo drums 24/7. NO. I am tired of it all.

47 posted on 03/16/2014 7:30:35 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Altura Ct.

It’s funny looking at some of the comments at the article. People whining about “white supremacy”, etc, etc.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:40 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“We expect equallity but demand special treatment because we are black!”


49 posted on 03/16/2014 8:12:38 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Altura Ct.

As long as there remains a “Congressional Black Caucus”, African American Firefighters Assns., and all the other splinter, racist groups, backed by a polarizing, racist administration, there will always be tensions in society.
Social justice is just another name for picking Whitey’s pocket. Equality is not the goal, never was.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 8:15:29 AM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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