Skip to comments.Obama threatens, then backs down
Posted on 03/16/2014 6:11:16 AM PDT by Dartman
On Thursday, Barack Obama was talking tough about Russia. His secretary of state, John Kerry, issued an ultimatum to Vladimir Putin. If Putin did not stop his troops massing on the Ukrainian border, there will be a very serious series of steps on Monday.
Thats what he said on Thursday.
On Friday, he capitulated. Kerry capitulated, that is. Not Putin.
On Friday, Kerry not only erased any threat he had made. He positively made concessions to Russia.
He said that Russia has legitimate interests in Ukraine.
As in, Russia legitimately has as say in a foreign, sovereign, independent country.
Kerry helpfully described those legitimate interests: historical, cultural, current strategic. These are real interests. And I think all of us who are joined together in the EU and extended contact group understand those interest and are prepared to respect them.
Neville Chamberlain himself wasnt that speedy in giving his approval to Adolf Hitlers annexation of Czechoslovakia. And for the same reasons ethnic, cultural and strategic claims of Germany.
It is true that there are some ethnic Russians in Ukraine. This is not an accident. After the Soviet Union enslaved Ukraine, Josef Stalin launched the worlds largest deliberate famine, called the Holodomor, that killed an estimated 7.5 million Ukrainians. Stalin also forcibly deported other ethnic groups, like the Tatars. And his policy of Russification shipping in ethnic Russians to dominate political and business life lingers on today. Not just in Ukraine, but all across the former Soviet Union, in places like Poland, Lithuania and Estonia.
Will John Kerry also respect Vladimir Putins legitimate interests in those foreign countries, too?
This is a spectacular submission by the United States. Spectacular because it was uttered just two days before a referendum in Crimea, part of Ukraine. The referendum question would make the Parti Quebecois jealous: neither option allows Ukrainians there to vote to stay in Ukraine.
The first choice is to outright join Russia. The second option is a bizarre, legally meaningless choice to adopt a defunct 1992 Ukrainian constitutional status for Crimea. Either choice destroys Ukraines sovereignty over Crimea.
It goes without saying the vote is rigged. The group that normally monitors elections in Europe the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe isnt even sending observers. They say the entire election is illegal from the start they wont dignify it with their presence. The ballot question is absurd. There are reports of ballots being shipped in, from Russia, with the join Russia option pre-checked. And of course there is the traditional Russian vote-rigging apparatus, from the censorship of opposition media to violence against opposition political leaders.
But John Kerry is happy to declare, even advance of such a fraud, that Vladimir Putins imperial interests are legitimate.
This is outrageous by any standard. But the standard in Ukraine is especially high, since in the 1990s Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for a specific American guarantee to protect them from Russian interference. Its a written treaty. And now the world knows the value of an American promise, under Barack Obama.
This isnt news, actually. Last year, the world saw Obama declare his intentions to attack Syria in response to Bashar Assads alleged use of chemical weapons. At the last moment, Obama countermanded his own orders, handed the Syrian file to Putin Assads arms dealer! and Obama literally went golfing the same day.
This is the second Obama surrender to Putin in two years. Do you think it will be the last?
The world is watching and learning. Former Soviet colonies from the Baltics to Poland to Asia are watching and learning. Obama will not protect them.
Iran and North Korea are watching and learning. China is recalibrating its strategy regarding disputed islands claimed by Japan.
And Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia now know what Obamas word is worth, too.
Obama will be president for another two years. Americas enemies will not let that go to waste.
The ONLY documentation on pRes _ _ent Obama
is that he wears Mom Jeans, pedals girls’ bikes,
and did not pledge the US flag until exposed in photos.
Of course Crimea will rejoin Russia.
And Moscow knows Obama and Kerry are not going to do anything about it.
Sanctions? Moscow is going to absorb the pain; its gotten what it wanted - with America’s blessing.
Life goes on.
Everyone knows that 0bamao is a lying sack of putrid scat.
By extension, so are demoncrats.
Their “words” are never, ever, ever to be taken at face value.
Bammy’s enhanced flexibility is apparently associated with bending over.
Drawing a “Red Line” in the sand for this administration, is nothing more than a meeting place for their mutual marxist ideals to be joined together. God Help Us.
Yet further foreign policy genius, no? Clown Prince nobama and traitor kerry are so impressive in their incompetence and purposeful destroying of Free America’s influence abroad. Both should be in prison for their many, many crimes.
hussein was overheard saying.. I’m gonna go kick Putins ass. What to wear, what to wear.
On Friday, he [Obama via Kerry] capitulated.
And we are not surprised why? They both have been giving new meaning to ‘surrender monkeys’. Obama is going to have to start borrowing lipstick from Moochelle if he wants to draw more red lines around the world ... Crayola & Sharpie are out of red.
Which is why I respect Putin. At least he has principles.
Obama doesn’t have any - and now he’s thrown Kiev under the bus.
I tried to warn Kiev’s new leaders about enraging the Russian Bear, that the West is a fickle, unreliable and untrustworthy friend.
Now they’re watching their country being dismembered without a Western response. This is what you get by choosing the West as your friend.
Now see if it’ll bail out your bankrupt economy. When its too much of a burden for them, they’ll dump Ukraine at first opportunity.
And you’re stuck with Russia anyway.
This episode has demonstrated to the American people that Putin is a Russian nationalist and a serious man. It has also shown that Obama and Kerry are out of their depth. Obama looks puny and silly when the inevitable comparisons are made.
Yes. The O_tard had already told Putin he would do nothing.
BUT notice John Fn Kerry’s statement:
“I think all of us who are joined together in the EU and extended contact group understand those interest and are prepared to respect them.”
We do not belong to the EU, but I am sure that is part of Obozo’s end game plan. Destroy the US and merge US the the other Global Fascist B_tards.
Now the question? Is this the real reason that the Congress refuses to confront Obozo’s abuse of his authority? Are they all complicit in this scheme.
The answer? Unknown. I am sure some are, how many is the question.
Stalin's successor knows exactly how many divisions we have but doesn't fear them in the least.That's because he knows that today many of them fly the rainbow banner....and he knows who's ultimately in command of them.
Implicit in the article is the thought that either the Europeans or the Americans could influence the events.
Neither has any ability to do so. The absorption of Crimea is a fiat accompli.
There is a question about an illegal election. An election is an election. The people will speak........ and favor Russia over the undesirable government in Kiev. The question of legality is therefore moot.
Even if Obama/Lurch had international credibility or respect, there is no real leverage over events in Ukraine. It will play out as it will with no influence from America.
Dragging out tired old Chamberlain thoughts are also meaningless. He was like Obama, powerless to influence events but screwed up mightily by uttering “peace in out time”.
If I was Crimean - I would vote to join Russia.
Why? Because I see Kiev cannot even keep the country together, it cannot count on the West to protect it.
But I can count on Russia - it can be counted to be there when a call was put out for its help and its acceded to the request to allow Crimea to join it.
I would definitely rely more on Russia than on the West - and quite frankly, so would any sane person living in that part of the world.
An Obama promise is an expendable one.
I think it’s pretty clear that we are not the leader of the free world anymore, Russia is. It’s not surprising since we don’t have a legitimate leader in this country...
That’s OK, Samantha Powers gave the Russkies a good scolding at the UN.
You’d think a “Black belt” would know how to tie a belt. The man in the background has a properly tied square knot. Putin has the kind of knot I yell at my 10 year old for tying.
not only is the U.S. not a power anymore-
A. this admin has bankrupted us!
B. we have SUPPORTED our terrorist enemies!- Libya and
Egypt, and Syrian AL QUAEDA!!
C. WE supposedly promised the Ukrain 1$ Billion dollars!
without going through congress!- the money will go right back to the Russians!
This admin is pure Anti American Evil- True Demonic
spirits who hate the U.S.
Oh brother. You needed a barf alert for your own post.
So the only choice for the Ukraine is to remain a vassal state of Russian? Unbelievable.
Hopefully they were smart and saved a few tactical nukes just for this occurrence. If course you would still blame the Ukrainians for wanting freedom rather than to bend over to their Russian overlords.
Even worse. Observers noted that Hitler was in high anxiety and sweated out his bluff of Chamberlain. Putin has yet to break a sweat eating Obama's lunch. He has got to be thinking, "This is to easy."
I’m pointing out that we don’t want to be the world’s policeman.
And just because we no longer want it, doesn’t mean the vacuum remains empty. Others - like Russia will be more than happy to fill it.
Which is exactly what is now happening. And there is nothing we can do about it.
Putin figured these clowns out right off the bat. He knew he was dealing with buffoons. And he knew there was not limit to where his ambitions could take him.
Putin does not care for such details. He doesn't wear correct attire when he rides horses either. He doesn't have to. He is an autocrat: he does what he pleases and anyone who criticizes does so at great risk.
I can see Obama asking Putin to be "flexible" and relax a bit.
It would not surprised me to see Obama try to create a faux crisis after assuring Putin that it's for domestic purposes only and not to worry.. destroying the "tea baggers" by charging them with sedition is the purpose.
FDR's Great Sedition Trial of 1944 started with small fry and planned to move up the chain of opposition. FDR failed. Obama might succeed, the Establishment today is arguably aged 1960s New Left Marxist-Alinsky radical, campus psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue. The Establishment in FDR's days were Americans who eventually stopped the atrocity.
Doesn't this sound like something that's already been done against the "tea baggers"?
"My mother was indicted with many others, most of whom she had never had any contact with whatsoever. For example, some of such co-indictees were members of the German-American Bund. My mother said they were included to give the case a sauerkraut flavor. "
I guess the pictures that mac daddy sent to Putin of him in his newest sexy bra and silk panties had no effect.
The mac daddy administration is such an embarrassment for America throughout the world with no creditability anywhere.
Putin is a KGB murdeous thug who has invaded two neighbors .And he plans to keep invading.
Stop peddling Putin propaganda here.
And he keeps the mom jeans for his ma!
This is happening in our back door.
You surender fools here are dangerous .
Putin is a dictator and a murdeous thug not the leader of is free country.
There are no free elections in Russia under him.
You Putin propagadist are dangerous useful idiots.
He is rebuilding the communist hell with fellow commies in Cuba, Venzuela and trying to expand it.
Who are you trying to fool here ?
Why are we are obsessed with Crimea when we aren’t paying attention to what goes on in our own backyard?
We abandoned the Monroe Doctrine a long time ago.
Alaska might be next.
Sounds and looks like the early thirties doesn’t it.
These Paulbots and DU posters are useful idiots.
Putin is a murderous monster who worked as a KGB agent in east Germany with Stasi to kill and torture defectors to the west.
Putin worked as a KGB thug in East Germany with Stasi to torture defectors .
Now he has invaded his second neighboring country and he is building military installations a hundred miles from our border and you want tom
discredit those facts.
Buzz off troll.
And what are we doing about our national security?
We have no right to tell the Russians what to do in their backyard when we sure as heck aren’t policing ours.
You want Putin to rebuild the iron curtain ?
Did you ever visit the Berlin Wall in the late 80’s .
That is what he is doing .
He recreated the Nazi ‘Sudenland ‘ invasion to excuse the invasion of Crimea .
The US under Clinton made the Ukraine give up its nuclear stockpile which was the third largest in the world.
If We can’t defend our friends we are nothing.
The painful reality is that Obama and Kerry are out of their depth. America ought to have better leadership. But the other hard truth is that Obama was elected and then reelected by 52% of the voters. So it would appear that Obama is reflective of how the country has devolved. Best to face facts however unpleasant.
We’re slashing our military to the bone.
So don’t tell us something we don’t already know. We’re not in a position to defend our own interests much less than our friends.
Whatever you say about Putin, he has his priorities. The question is do we?
"President Obama is getting mad. ...REALLY Mad! ... I'm not Joking, he is!! ... Monday, or else!"
"Hey Sweetie, He Doesn't Even Attend His National Security Meetings! ... Go Away!"
0bastard’s priorities (realistically, the priorities of those who put him and keep him in the WH and tell him what to do/sign/say) want the USA destroyed. Militarily, financially, morally - as a world power.
It’s really quite simple.
Putin wants a strong Russia.
0bastard et al want a destroyed USA.
Samantha sweetie, with your pretty face, you're out of your league. You're playing with the big boys now. And my freshly cast veto trumps your pretty face! Checkmate."
ZERO & SCARY KERRY.
Nothing but blowhard cowards!! ! ! ! !
Nothing new here...kerry self-inflicted a wound in order to get his sorry ass out of Vietnam...cowardly is the only way he knows how to conduct his life...hussein is a street punk, on a good day.