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Obama threatens, then backs down
Toronto Sun ^ | Mar 15/14 | Ezra Levant

Posted on 03/16/2014 6:11:16 AM PDT by Dartman

On Thursday, Barack Obama was talking tough about Russia. His secretary of state, John Kerry, issued an ultimatum to Vladimir Putin. If Putin did not stop his troops massing on the Ukrainian border, “there will be a very serious series of steps on Monday.”

That’s what he said on Thursday.

On Friday, he capitulated. Kerry capitulated, that is. Not Putin.

On Friday, Kerry not only erased any threat he had made. He positively made concessions to Russia.

He said that Russia has “legitimate interests in Ukraine.”

As in, Russia legitimately has as say in a foreign, sovereign, independent country.

Kerry helpfully described those legitimate interests: “historical, cultural, current strategic. These are real interests. And I think all of us who are joined together in the EU and extended contact group understand those interest and are prepared to respect them.”

Neville Chamberlain himself wasn’t that speedy in giving his approval to Adolf Hitler’s annexation of Czechoslovakia. And for the same reasons – ethnic, cultural and strategic claims of Germany.

It is true that there are some ethnic Russians in Ukraine. This is not an accident. After the Soviet Union enslaved Ukraine, Josef Stalin launched the world’s largest deliberate famine, called the Holodomor, that killed an estimated 7.5 million Ukrainians. Stalin also forcibly deported other ethnic groups, like the Tatars. And his policy of Russification – shipping in ethnic Russians to dominate political and business life – lingers on today. Not just in Ukraine, but all across the former Soviet Union, in places like Poland, Lithuania and Estonia.

Will John Kerry also “respect” Vladimir Putin’s “legitimate interests” in those foreign countries, too?

This is a spectacular submission by the United States. Spectacular because it was uttered just two days before a referendum in Crimea, part of Ukraine. The referendum question would make the Parti Quebecois jealous: neither option allows Ukrainians there to vote to stay in Ukraine.

The first choice is to outright join Russia. The second option is a bizarre, legally meaningless choice to adopt a defunct 1992 Ukrainian constitutional status for Crimea. Either choice destroys Ukraine’s sovereignty over Crimea.

It goes without saying the vote is rigged. The group that normally monitors elections in Europe – the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe – isn’t even sending observers. They say the entire election is illegal from the start – they won’t dignify it with their presence. The ballot question is absurd. There are reports of ballots being shipped in, from Russia, with the “join Russia” option pre-checked. And of course there is the traditional Russian vote-rigging apparatus, from the censorship of opposition media to violence against opposition political leaders.

But John Kerry is happy to declare, even advance of such a fraud, that Vladimir Putin’s imperial interests are “legitimate.”

This is outrageous by any standard. But the standard in Ukraine is especially high, since in the 1990s Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons in return for a specific American guarantee to protect them from Russian interference. It’s a written treaty. And now the world knows the value of an American promise, under Barack Obama.

This isn’t news, actually. Last year, the world saw Obama declare his intentions to attack Syria in response to Bashar Assad’s alleged use of chemical weapons. At the last moment, Obama countermanded his own orders, handed the Syrian file to Putin – Assad’s arms dealer! – and Obama literally went golfing the same day.

This is the second Obama surrender to Putin in two years. Do you think it will be the last?

The world is watching and learning. Former Soviet colonies from the Baltics to Poland to Asia are watching and learning. Obama will not protect them.

Iran and North Korea are watching and learning. China is recalibrating its strategy regarding disputed islands claimed by Japan.

And Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia now know what Obama’s word is worth, too.

Obama will be president for another two years. America’s enemies will not let that go to waste.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backsdown; bhoforeignpolicy; bhorussia; obama; putin; soskerry; threatens; ukraine
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Good ol' Ezra, telling it like it is, again.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 6:11:17 AM PDT by Dartman
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To: Dartman

The ONLY documentation on pRes _ _ent Obama
is that he wears Mom Jeans, pedals girls’ bikes,
and did not pledge the US flag until exposed in photos.


2 posted on 03/16/2014 6:15:28 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Dartman
ZERO & SCARY KERRY.
Nothing but blowhard cowards!! ! ! ! !
3 posted on 03/16/2014 6:15:40 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Meanwhile, back at the Ranch. . . . . ZERO still as stupid and incompetent as ever! ! !)
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To: Dartman

Of course Crimea will rejoin Russia.

And Moscow knows Obama and Kerry are not going to do anything about it.

Sanctions? Moscow is going to absorb the pain; its gotten what it wanted - with America’s blessing.

Life goes on.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 6:16:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dartman

Everyone knows that 0bamao is a lying sack of putrid scat.
By extension, so are demoncrats.
Their “words” are never, ever, ever to be taken at face value.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 6:19:16 AM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Dartman
Vlad knew from the moment he heard of Osama’s “flexibility” promise that he had nothing to fear from the United States.It's a lot like the old Chamberlain/Hitler thing.
6 posted on 03/16/2014 6:20:35 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Dartman

Bammy’s enhanced flexibility is apparently associated with bending over.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 6:21:46 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Dartman
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8 posted on 03/16/2014 6:22:23 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Dartman
Our adversaries no longer fear us, our allies no longer trust us.
9 posted on 03/16/2014 6:23:41 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Dartman

Drawing a “Red Line” in the sand for this administration, is nothing more than a meeting place for their mutual marxist ideals to be joined together. God Help Us.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 6:23:47 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yet further foreign policy genius, no? Clown Prince nobama and traitor kerry are so impressive in their incompetence and purposeful destroying of Free America’s influence abroad. Both should be in prison for their many, many crimes.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 6:24:11 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

hussein was overheard saying.. I’m gonna go kick Putins ass. What to wear, what to wear.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 6:25:44 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Dartman

On Friday, he [Obama via Kerry] capitulated.

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And we are not surprised why? They both have been giving new meaning to ‘surrender monkeys’. Obama is going to have to start borrowing lipstick from Moochelle if he wants to draw more red lines around the world ... Crayola & Sharpie are out of red.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 6:26:12 AM PDT by Qiviut (It's hard to be a donk if you're sane & it's hard to be a pubbie if you have any integrity.)
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To: Thumper1960

Which is why I respect Putin. At least he has principles.

Obama doesn’t have any - and now he’s thrown Kiev under the bus.

I tried to warn Kiev’s new leaders about enraging the Russian Bear, that the West is a fickle, unreliable and untrustworthy friend.

Now they’re watching their country being dismembered without a Western response. This is what you get by choosing the West as your friend.

Now see if it’ll bail out your bankrupt economy. When its too much of a burden for them, they’ll dump Ukraine at first opportunity.

And you’re stuck with Russia anyway.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 6:26:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dartman

This episode has demonstrated to the American people that Putin is a Russian nationalist and a serious man. It has also shown that Obama and Kerry are out of their depth. Obama looks puny and silly when the inevitable comparisons are made.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 6:27:10 AM PDT by allendale
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To: goldstategop

Bump!

Yes. The O_tard had already told Putin he would do nothing.

BUT notice John Fn Kerry’s statement:

“I think all of us who are joined together in the EU and extended contact group understand those interest and are prepared to respect them.”

We do not belong to the EU, but I am sure that is part of Obozo’s end game plan. Destroy the US and merge US the the other Global Fascist B_tards.

Now the question? Is this the real reason that the Congress refuses to confront Obozo’s abuse of his authority? Are they all complicit in this scheme.

The answer? Unknown. I am sure some are, how many is the question.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 6:28:13 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Dartman
Stalin once reacted to a negative comment made by the Pope by asking "and how many divisions does *he* have?"

Stalin's successor knows exactly how many divisions we have but doesn't fear them in the least.That's because he knows that today many of them fly the rainbow banner....and he knows who's ultimately in command of them.

17 posted on 03/16/2014 6:31:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Stalin Blamed The Kulaks,Obama Blames The Tea Party)
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To: Dartman

Implicit in the article is the thought that either the Europeans or the Americans could influence the events.

Neither has any ability to do so. The absorption of Crimea is a fiat accompli.

There is a question about an illegal election. An election is an election. The people will speak........ and favor Russia over the undesirable government in Kiev. The question of legality is therefore moot.

Even if Obama/Lurch had international credibility or respect, there is no real leverage over events in Ukraine. It will play out as it will with no influence from America.

Dragging out tired old Chamberlain thoughts are also meaningless. He was like Obama, powerless to influence events but screwed up mightily by uttering “peace in out time”.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 6:34:42 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: bert

If I was Crimean - I would vote to join Russia.

Why? Because I see Kiev cannot even keep the country together, it cannot count on the West to protect it.

But I can count on Russia - it can be counted to be there when a call was put out for its help and its acceded to the request to allow Crimea to join it.

I would definitely rely more on Russia than on the West - and quite frankly, so would any sane person living in that part of the world.

An Obama promise is an expendable one.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 6:43:15 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dartman
Another "Line in the Sand" epic fail for the cowardly B.O.
B.O.'s bravery exists only when he is attacking American values and traditions.
20 posted on 03/16/2014 6:44:38 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Dartman

I think it’s pretty clear that we are not the leader of the free world anymore, Russia is. It’s not surprising since we don’t have a legitimate leader in this country...


21 posted on 03/16/2014 6:46:58 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Dartman

That’s OK, Samantha Powers gave the Russkies a good scolding at the UN.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 6:47:49 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Screw the farmers. I can get everything I need at the grocery store.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You’d think a “Black belt” would know how to tie a belt. The man in the background has a properly tied square knot. Putin has the kind of knot I yell at my 10 year old for tying.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 6:53:03 AM PDT by usual suspect
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To: babygene

not only is the U.S. not a power anymore-

A. this admin has bankrupted us!
B. we have SUPPORTED our terrorist enemies!- Libya and
Egypt, and Syrian AL QUAEDA!!

C. WE supposedly promised the Ukrain 1$ Billion dollars!
without going through congress!- the money will go right back to the Russians!

This admin is pure Anti American Evil- True Demonic
spirits who hate the U.S.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 6:57:34 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: goldstategop
But I can count on Russia - it can be counted to be there when a call was put out for its help and its acceded to the request to allow Crimea to join it.

Oh brother. You needed a barf alert for your own post.

So the only choice for the Ukraine is to remain a vassal state of Russian? Unbelievable.

Hopefully they were smart and saved a few tactical nukes just for this occurrence. If course you would still blame the Ukrainians for wanting freedom rather than to bend over to their Russian overlords.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 6:57:57 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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To: Gay State Conservative
It's a lot like the old Chamberlain/Hitler thing.

Even worse. Observers noted that Hitler was in high anxiety and sweated out his bluff of Chamberlain. Putin has yet to break a sweat eating Obama's lunch. He has got to be thinking, "This is to easy."

26 posted on 03/16/2014 6:59:30 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: VeniVidiVici

I’m pointing out that we don’t want to be the world’s policeman.

And just because we no longer want it, doesn’t mean the vacuum remains empty. Others - like Russia will be more than happy to fill it.

Which is exactly what is now happening. And there is nothing we can do about it.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 7:04:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dartman

Putin figured these clowns out right off the bat. He knew he was dealing with buffoons. And he knew there was not limit to where his ambitions could take him.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 7:08:00 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Hubris and denial overwhelm Western Civilization. Nemesis and tragedy always follow.)
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To: usual suspect
You’d think a “Black belt” would know how to tie a belt. The man in the background has a properly tied square knot. Putin has the kind of knot I yell at my 10 year old for tying.

Putin does not care for such details. He doesn't wear correct attire when he rides horses either. He doesn't have to. He is an autocrat: he does what he pleases and anyone who criticizes does so at great risk.

29 posted on 03/16/2014 7:13:48 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Dartman
[So far it appears that Ukraine] is the second Obama surrender to Putin in two years. Do you think it will be the last?

I can see Obama asking Putin to be "flexible" and relax a bit.

It would not surprised me to see Obama try to create a faux crisis after assuring Putin that it's for domestic purposes only and not to worry.. destroying the "tea baggers" by charging them with sedition is the purpose.

FDR's Great Sedition Trial of 1944 started with small fry and planned to move up the chain of opposition. FDR failed. Obama might succeed, the Establishment today is arguably aged 1960s New Left Marxist-Alinsky radical, campus psycho spoiled brats and their ideological issue. The Establishment in FDR's days were Americans who eventually stopped the atrocity.

The Great Sedition Trial of 1944

Doesn't this sound like something that's already been done against the "tea baggers"?

"My mother was indicted with many others, most of whom she had never had any contact with whatsoever. For example, some of such co-indictees were members of the German-American Bund. My mother said they were included to give the case a ‘sauerkraut flavor.’ "

30 posted on 03/16/2014 7:14:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Savage Beast

I guess the pictures that mac daddy sent to Putin of him in his newest sexy bra and silk panties had no effect.

The mac daddy administration is such an embarrassment for America throughout the world with no creditability anywhere.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 7:15:46 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: allendale

Putin is a KGB murdeous thug who has invaded two neighbors .And he plans to keep invading.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/russia-seeks-access-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers

Stop peddling Putin propaganda here.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 7:25:59 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ottbmare

And he keeps the mom jeans for his ma!


33 posted on 03/16/2014 7:27:37 AM PDT by blaveda
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To: goldstategop

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/russia-seeks-access-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers
This is happening in our back door.
You surender fools here are dangerous .


34 posted on 03/16/2014 7:27:57 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: babygene

Putin is a dictator and a murdeous thug not the leader of is free country.
There are no free elections in Russia under him.

You Putin propagadist are dangerous useful idiots.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/russia-seeks-access-bases-eight-countries-its-ships-and-bombers

He is rebuilding the communist hell with fellow commies in Cuba, Venzuela and trying to expand it.

Who are you trying to fool here ?


35 posted on 03/16/2014 7:32:19 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

Why are we are obsessed with Crimea when we aren’t paying attention to what goes on in our own backyard?

We abandoned the Monroe Doctrine a long time ago.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 7:32:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ncalburt

Yup.

Alaska might be next.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 7:33:38 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Dartman

Sounds and looks like the early thirties doesn’t it.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 7:33:47 AM PDT by JayAr36 (When an American dies Obama lies. And lies, and lies and lies forever.)
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To: Dartman
He was more of a tough guy at 3.


39 posted on 03/16/2014 7:34:18 AM PDT by bgill
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To: VeniVidiVici

These Paulbots and DU posters are useful idiots.
Putin is a murderous monster who worked as a KGB agent in east Germany with Stasi to kill and torture defectors to the west.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:51 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Dartman
If only Valerie would make up her mind.


41 posted on 03/16/2014 7:37:39 AM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: Wildbill22
I see we are using Saul Alinksy tactics today.
the tired mocking crap.
It don't work here troll.
How are things at the DU today.

Putin worked as a KGB thug in East Germany with Stasi to torture defectors .
Now he has invaded his second neighboring country and he is building military installations a hundred miles from our border and you want tom
discredit those facts.
Buzz off troll.

42 posted on 03/16/2014 7:41:36 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

And what are we doing about our national security?

We have no right to tell the Russians what to do in their backyard when we sure as heck aren’t policing ours.


43 posted on 03/16/2014 7:48:45 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

You want Putin to rebuild the iron curtain ?
Did you ever visit the Berlin Wall in the late 80’s .

That is what he is doing .
He recreated the Nazi ‘Sudenland ‘ invasion to excuse the invasion of Crimea .
The US under Clinton made the Ukraine give up its nuclear stockpile which was the third largest in the world.
If We can’t defend our friends we are nothing.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 7:49:38 AM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: ncalburt

The painful reality is that Obama and Kerry are out of their depth. America ought to have better leadership. But the other hard truth is that Obama was elected and then reelected by 52% of the voters. So it would appear that Obama is reflective of how the country has devolved. Best to face facts however unpleasant.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 7:55:31 AM PDT by allendale
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To: ncalburt

We’re slashing our military to the bone.

So don’t tell us something we don’t already know. We’re not in a position to defend our own interests much less than our friends.

Whatever you say about Putin, he has his priorities. The question is do we?


46 posted on 03/16/2014 7:55:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dartman
Meanwhile at the UN:

"President Obama is getting mad. ...REALLY Mad! ... I'm not Joking, he is!! ... Monday, or else!"

"Hey Sweetie, He Doesn't Even Attend His National Security Meetings! ... Go Away!"

47 posted on 03/16/2014 8:04:17 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: goldstategop

0bastard’s priorities (realistically, the priorities of those who put him and keep him in the WH and tell him what to do/sign/say) want the USA destroyed. Militarily, financially, morally - as a world power.

It’s really quite simple.

Putin wants a strong Russia.

0bastard et al want a destroyed USA.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 8:17:13 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TexasCajun

Samantha sweetie, with your pretty face, you're out of your league. You're playing with the big boys now. And my freshly cast veto trumps your pretty face! Checkmate."

49 posted on 03/16/2014 8:18:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: DeaconRed

ZERO & SCARY KERRY.
Nothing but blowhard cowards!! ! ! ! !

____________________________________________________________

Nothing new here...kerry self-inflicted a wound in order to get his sorry ass out of Vietnam...cowardly is the only way he knows how to conduct his life...hussein is a street punk, on a good day.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 8:24:25 AM PDT by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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