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How modern global warming science took form
Pravda ^ | March 16, 2014 | By Gary Novak

Posted on 03/16/2014 6:33:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The foundation publications for modern global warming science meet no criteria for valid science. Methodologies are not given, measurements are not made and evidence is not described. Instead, preposterous fantasies on atmospheric studies are glibly mentioned with self-contradictory blather. The studies consist of nothing but a desired end point with fictitious methods of deriving the result. --SNIP--

There is nothing but modeling in global warming analysis, the simple reason being that the complexities and randomness of the atmosphere are totally out of reach of the science that can be applied. Only modeling is obscure enough to evade accountability to outsiders and provide any desired result without criticism.

The problem is, such a standard is not science. Science has a purpose, which is to put an end to error and falsehood through verifiable procedures. Muddled procedures only promote the charlatanism which science attempts to correct.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: climategate; communism; globalwarming; hoax; socialism
Modern democrats in the USA are more communist than former USSR communists.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 6:33:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No communist ever blew up a dam or shut down a major agricultural region for the sake of a lizard or a fish...


2 posted on 03/16/2014 6:41:29 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’ve studied fluid mechanics, basic physics, statistical mechanics and meterology.

I wanted to see the equations and assumptions that go into a global warming model.

I can’t find them.

Can someone help me with this ?

I am open minded on the subject.

But I am suspicious when I can’t find equations.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 6:42:09 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue

But I am suspicious when I can’t find equations.


Mostly it is statistics, And statistics is NOT applicable in complex systems like weather and people. When they build a model it has very few variables in the model, that is why they get such extreme results.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 6:44:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: staytrue
I am suspicious when I can’t find equations.

Tweaks don't need equations.

5 posted on 03/16/2014 6:48:38 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is another post here today about the privatizing of American science. I am all for it.

Global warming only exists because of government funding. Period!

Tis a sad day when our media and officialdom have to be schooled by Pravda.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 6:50:54 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation; All

Look closely at Agenda 21 and you may discover the real reason behind “climate change”.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 6:54:07 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: staytrue
Bring up and apply Planck's laws to a discussion with a warming advocate sometime. I haven't found one yet that even recognized the name.
8 posted on 03/16/2014 6:55:25 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Beginning with LBJ, the D’rats made a hard turn left and began adopting the Communist Goals as entered in the 1963 Congressional Record.

Today, most of those goals are formal planks of the D’rat Party.

2008: D’rats nominated Comrade Obamatollah
2008: CPUSA endorsed Comrade Obamatollah

2012: D’rats nominated Comrade Obamatollah
2012: CPUSA endorsed Comrade Obamatollah

Even an intellectual imbecile could connect those dots. Yet, at best, the “superior intellectuals” of the D’rats simply cannot grasp the reality they are communists.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:51 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bump for later printing for my liberal art teacher neighbor.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 7:06:42 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We truly live in Bizarro times when Pravda tells the truth & the Western MSM spouts bold faced nonsense.

Is it any wonder Putin has such a low opinion of the West? I imagine that opinion is shared by China, Iran, NK, al-Qaeda, & all the rest.

The inept Obama/Clinton/Kerry foreign policy is getting increasingly dangerous for the ENTIRE world.

11 posted on 03/16/2014 7:13:18 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: PeterPrinciple; staytrue

When they build a model it has very few variables in the model, that is why they get such extreme results.


No, they start with their desired result and work backwards. THAT’S why they get such extreme results.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 7:13:47 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The terms used are nothing but word salad.

Amen, brother.

13 posted on 03/16/2014 7:21:25 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: staytrue
When the met guys can forecast a month's worth of weather within +/- 1° and +/- .1" precip every hour, every day, every month, for a couple years running and nail it, then maybe we can talk long term.
14 posted on 03/16/2014 7:21:49 AM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Liberal Arts teachers back charlatans out of a sense of professional courtesy.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 7:22:28 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These F’ers in Congress look at the 100 million plus that Gore skimmed using this false premise,and they want some for themselves.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 7:27:25 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: staytrue

You can find tampered data and biased procedures though. Global warming is a tampered thesis which gave Al Gore $100 the first 8 years out of office.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 7:28:21 AM PDT by mountainlion
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Buzzards don’t eat lawyers for the same reason.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 7:29:01 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

No, they start with their desired result and work backward
s. THAT’S why they get such extreme results.


No, I think even they are surprised when their simple model says the ocean level will rise 21 feet. But they have a number and it must be right, because their model is right which has maybe 5 variables accounted for in a system that has millions of variable.

Statistics is a useful tool, but they are not using it for the right purpose. At best, statistics gives you another question, it NEVER gives you an answer.

But yes, I understand what you are saying.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 7:29:30 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: staytrue

As I seem to recall, the entire basis of the global warming hypothesis rests on the fact that CO2 has an unusually broad fluorescence absorption/emission band within the infrared portion of the spectrum. Where most fluorophores only absorb and emit within narrow 20 or 30 nm bands, CO2 has a very broad band of over 100 nm.

So there you go, something else to plug into the equations.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 7:29:59 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: tomkat
When the met guys can forecast a month's worth of weather within +/- 1° and +/- .1" precip every hour, every day, every month, for a couple years running and nail it, then maybe we can talk long term.

I'm not sure that that is necessarily a valid test. One might be able to discern a long term trend in the presence of high frequency noise. You can accurately determine the average value of a number of measurements, even if the variation between measurements is high. Likewise, trending can accurately be identified. Anyone who has successfully taken a course in introductory statistics should be aware of this.

The problem with global warming theory go much deeper. The entire enterprise reeks of pseudoscience and politics.

21 posted on 03/16/2014 7:31:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: A'elian' nation

Global warming only exists because of government funding. Period!


Repeat LOUD and OFTEN................................


22 posted on 03/16/2014 7:32:59 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: staytrue
I studied engineering in college too and have a BSEE. I share your same doubts. Trying to model the atmosphere is a ridiculous undertaking and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Yet we are making public policy based on an insane proposition as climate change.

I spent a fortune on propane this year, I want Al Gore to reimburse me. The winters are GETTING worse.

23 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:39 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
A minor correction, if I may:

The entire enterprise reeks   consists of pseudoscience and politics.

24 posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:59 AM PDT by Bob
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To: A'elian' nation

Science Community was corrupted by easy grant money just as long as it was used for AIDS research and “climate change”; the money kept flowing. Yes Alice, researchers and scientists are greedy like everyyone else and can be bought.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 7:39:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I want to see a survey or poll of independent "climate scientists" and their position on the global warming scare.

Independent means the following are excluded:


26 posted on 03/16/2014 7:41:12 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: staytrue

The science is settled!!!!! Lalalalalalala!!!!


27 posted on 03/16/2014 7:46:14 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: CrazyIvan

The weather/climate is not a quantum system so I think Planck’s laws do not apply.

I spent 4 hours looking for the equations on line and could not find them.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 7:54:50 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

democrats create a fake crisis to justify the growth of government , more government control of businesses and our lives

global warming is a hoax

democrats created the global warming hoax to advance socialism/marxism/communism

yes democrats are communists one and all , all of these cretins are the enemy of freedom

democrats create a fake crisis to justify the growth of government , more government control of businesses and our lives

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html


29 posted on 03/16/2014 8:00:37 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
democrats create many fake crisis (like the global warming hoax) so that we think government is needed

see if you made $100,000 per year you could buy anything you would ever need in the free market. so we don't need government for anything .

so democrats/communists have to create fake threats to scare the people into begging for government to protect them. the news media gets people say "We have to do something about school shootings, global warming, evil corporations etc"

global warming : a hoax, a fake crisis

40 million don't have healthare : another lie

see the fact that democrats have to lie , crate fake threats , means that there are no real crisis that government is so needed to save us from.

these are just 2 examples but there are milions at all levels of government. there is nothing the free market cannot do that government can .roads? yes private roads. private hospitals, private security patrols and so on .

but democrats have written room fulls of laws mandating government agencies like the EPA, IRS ,FDA, FEC , FCC etc. and obamacare. all these government programs do do is cripple business ,add to the cost of products, tax the hell out of us and businesses ,and take away our freedom

another fake crisis is the "mass shooting crisis"

30 posted on 03/16/2014 8:17:18 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I knew someone would jump on that even before mashing 'post' .. lol !

And having been introduced to some statistics back in the Pleistocene, I'm aware of its predictive utility.

Hence I can predict - with a very low MOE - that you're well aware of the point that was being made.

Nor will I belabor the points already made by others re the staggering number of variables that are at present but poorly understood.
Not to mention those of which there is currently little or no awareness whatsoever.

Who but an uber-gullible individual would put much confidence in those who, while presuming to dictate national policy/expenditure for decades or centuries to come,
lack the requisite technology/expertise to accurately predict a 70° day w/.3" of rain on April 14th ?

And as that about uses up my writing quota for a Sunday, here's hoping your afternoon trends well   d:^)

31 posted on 03/16/2014 8:27:01 AM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: staytrue
I wanted to see the equations and assumptions that go into a global warming model.

What they need is a global warming supermodel, the way the anti-vaccination crowd has Jenny McCarthy.
32 posted on 03/16/2014 9:00:16 AM PDT by Colinsky
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To: tomkat
And as that about uses up my writing quota for a Sunday, here's hoping your afternoon trends well

Allow me to return the wish, but your response was still off point and unresponsive.

33 posted on 03/16/2014 9:15:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (In the long run, we are all dead.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
.. but your response was still off point and unresponsive

I disagree.

34 posted on 03/16/2014 9:21:50 AM PDT by tomkat (3%+1)
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To: staytrue

I just took a lot of HighSchool physics. I notice a complete lack of science in any discussion of global warming. I want to know things like how many of the 1000 watts per square meter of earth are retained by 400 ppm of carbon atoms. Where in the atmosphere does this occur? Also if the ocean temperature increases it seems there is an exponential increase in plankton which is the world’s biggest carbons sink. It seems to be a self correcting system.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 9:29:46 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: staytrue

Pick a variable. Plug in wherever.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 9:31:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: DungeonMaster

The definition of greenhouse gase is that they hold the
heat that the sun puts down on the earth, onto the earth.

The whole atmosphere we live is a mixture of greenhouse
gases, and we couldn’t live on this planet temperature
wise without the atmosphere as it would go down to minus
150 at night as all the heat from the day
would all escape.

And of the mixture of gases in the air around us, CO2
actually transfers heat faster, than most gases in the
air mixture; IE it has less insulation value
than O2 and N2 that make up 98% of the air.

Guys making thermopane windows tried CO2 and found it
transfers heat faster than air... So if CO2 is one part
in 2500, in 2000, in 3000, ETC, in the whole air mixture,
which is all the greenhouse gase mixture we live in,
which we could temperature wise if we didn’t have it,

DOES NOT MEANS SQUAT...

Of course you get problems like the AGW HOAX getting
traction and support... because folks are not
taught real science nowadays..Ed


37 posted on 03/16/2014 10:17:29 AM PDT by hubel458
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

On occasion Pravda lives up to the name it has.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 4:22:48 PM PDT by xp38
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To: hubel458
Good information. I'm 51 years old and I remember when this pseudo science/political manipulation propaganda said the earth was cooling. I distinctly remember watching the Superfriends cartoon where they said pollution blocked the sun and the coldness caused us to burn more fuel which made more pollution which blocked more of the sun's energy. That was the extent of the "scientific terminology" used. Today the total scientific terminology is "co2 and greenhouse gas and heat". That's it.

Thanks for the heat transfer comments.

Living in Iowa I don't think many people are giving much serious consideration to global warming after this winter.

39 posted on 03/16/2014 5:54:05 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: staytrue
I’ve studied fluid mechanics, basic physics, statistical mechanics and meterology. I wanted to see the equations and assumptions that go into a global warming model. I can’t find them. Can someone help me with this ?

Michael Crichton's Aliens cause global warming is a lecture he gave at Caltech. His polemical skills would have been useful in the AGW debate, but he died in 2008.

40 posted on 03/17/2014 8:01:55 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Dr. Don Easterbrook – a climate scientist and glacier expert from Washington State who correctly predicted back in 2000 that the Earth was entering a cooling phase – says to expect colder temperatures for at least the next two decades,” says CNS News.

“Easterbrook’s predictions were “right on the money” seven years before Al Gore and the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for warning that the Earth was facing catastrophic warming caused by rising levels of carbon dioxide, which Gore called a “planetary emergency.”

We could even plunge into a Little Ice Age

“Easterbrook noted that his 20-year prediction was the “mildest” one of four possible scenarios, all of which involve lower temperatures, and added that only time will tell whether the Earth continues to cool slightly or plunges into another Little Ice Age as it did between 1650 and 1790.

“He lamented the fact that governments worldwide have already spent a trillion dollars fighting the wrong threat.”


And there are many other real scientists predicting
a little ice age. And the actual start of the cooling
trend stated about 1940...Ed

‘Despite the growing worldwide recognition that global warming—now called climate change—is a hoax and that the Earth has been in a cooling cycle going on seventeen years,
based on the warmist’s faulty weather station system with a lot of false high readings, those most responsible for it continue to put forth baseless “science” about it.
It makes us wonder how bad the cooling really is’’

The hoax has its base in the United Nations which is home to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and got its start with the Kyoto Protocol in 1997 that went into force in 2005. It limits “greenhouse gas” emissions, primarily carbon dioxide (CO2). It purports that the gases are warming the Earth and many nations signed on to reduce them. The U.S. did not and in 2011 Canada withdrew from it. Europe is suffering economically from the billions it invested in “alternative energy” sources, wind and solar power.

Five years ago, emails between a group of the United Kingdom’s University of East Anglia scientists and others who were generating computer models that “proved” global warming were revealed. It was quickly dubbed “climategate” for the way the emails demonstrated the manipulation of data claiming that global warming was real. They had good reason to be worried, given the natural cooling cycle the Earth has entered, but of even greater concern was the potential loss of enormous amounts of money they were receiving for their deception.

To date, not one of theirs and other computer models “proving” global warming have been accurate.


41 posted on 03/20/2014 11:59:16 PM PDT by hubel458
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