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Sunday referendum may see Venice elect to secede from Italy
National Post ^

Posted on 03/16/2014 9:20:39 AM PDT by ClaytonP

Voting begins Sunday on a referendum on whether Venice and its surrounding region should secede from the rest of Italy, in an attempt to restore its 1,000-year history as a sovereign republic.

La Serenissima — or the Most Serene Republic of Venice — was an independent trading power for a millennium before its last leader was deposed by Napoleon in 1797.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adriatic; croatia; europeanunion; italy; laserenissima; napoleon; republicofvenice; venice

1 posted on 03/16/2014 9:20:39 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP
We in Louisiana need the vote to secede from the USSA, the Union of socialist states of America
2 posted on 03/16/2014 9:22:10 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: ClaytonP

We’re going to see more of this as diverse groups decide they want an all Muslim Michigan or an all black Detroit. We’re already saying we’d like to separate from the insanely liberal east and west coasts.

I can’t remember which of the founders said it, but the words, in effect were, “We need a powerful external threat to keep us together, to overcome the provincial self interest of individual states.”


3 posted on 03/16/2014 9:24:10 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: ClaytonP
Here is another interesting Article:

Venice prepares for referendum on secession from Italy

Activists say that the latest polling shows that 65 per cent of voters in the Veneto region, which includes historic cities such as Treviso, Vicenza and Verona, are in favour of cutting ties with Rome.

For decades there has been deep-seated dissatisfaction in the rich northern regions of Italy with what is widely regarded as inefficient and venal rule from Rome, as well as resentment that hard-won tax revenues are sent south and often squandered.

They acknowledge that the vote is not binding on the national government in Rome and could cause a massive constitutional upheaval, but insist that if it passes, they will start taking steps to withhold taxes, in what would effectively be a unilateral declaration of independence.

"People are fed up with the economic crisis and have had it with Rome.

4 posted on 03/16/2014 9:25:18 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: Constitution Day

Well, this approach didn't work.

5 posted on 03/16/2014 9:25:26 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Gen.Blather
I can’t remember which of the founders said it, but the words, in effect were, “We need a powerful external threat to keep us together, to overcome the provincial self interest of individual states.”

If the fate of all the massive hyper-centralized governments is to break up into smaller entities, an Alexander will eventually arise to conquer them.

That is why a federal system is needed with more power given to local governments so people don't feel the need to completely sever all ties to get away from all the busy bodies in the nation's capital.

6 posted on 03/16/2014 9:28:36 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

“That is why a federal system is needed with more power given to local governments so people don’t feel the need to completely sever all ties to get away from all the busy bodies in the nation’s capital. “

Those busybodies will not give up power until they’re forced to. And then, they’ll be back to chipping away at the new freedoms once again. My observation on people and power is that people who should least have it will kill their mothers to get it. Those who are competent to wield power and not be oppressive don’t want power and generally don’t seek it.

We made it from 1778 to roughly 1975 as a free people. But since then we’ve been on a slippery slope to slavery. I’m not sure if the slide started with J. Edgar Hoover spying on everybody important or Ruby Ridge and Waco or if they’re all just symptoms of a new trend.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 9:36:31 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: ClaytonP

Quebec from Canada?


8 posted on 03/16/2014 9:45:05 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: ClaytonP

Isn’t Venice sinking into the sea? Last I was there is was flooded..


9 posted on 03/16/2014 9:46:20 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: ClaytonP

“Venice sinking five times faster than thought?”

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/26/10863037-venice-sinking-five-times-faster-than-thought?lite


10 posted on 03/16/2014 9:48:04 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Gen.Blather

George Mason..
http://www.gunstonhall.org/library/archives/manuscripts/objections.html


11 posted on 03/16/2014 9:48:58 AM PDT by crz
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To: ClaytonP

secede or recede?


12 posted on 03/16/2014 9:50:06 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: crz

http://www.gunstonhall.org/library/archives/manuscripts/objections.html

This guy was a genius.

Thanks.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 10:00:57 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: ClaytonP
Very interesting. We are starting to see these tendencies in several places in Europe - mainly in the EU countries. Yet another reason for the EU politicians to be against the referendum in Crimea. There is much to learn from the Velvet Divorce, the dissolution of Czechoslovakia in 1993. (See for instance here and here.)

The EU has always been in two minds about dissolution of multi-nation entities in their constituent parts. The present position is that a region seceding from a member country of the EU will have to apply for a new membership. (Thus, a region like Veneto can free itself from both the Italian state and the EU in one go!!) However, all countries still have right to veto a new applicant. So if the divorce has not been of the velvet kind it may be difficult for the new entity to gain membership in the EU (which may not necessarily be a disadvantage /understatement). The one referendum to really watch for this year is the one in Catalonia.

The government in Madrid (including the armed forces) does not going to allow a referendum to be held despite the decision by the local parliament. Interesting developments ahead.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 10:01:31 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ClaytonP

Well, Italy has spent a lot more time with city-states than unified. It was Rome that discovered the founding principle of a nation-state: they can draft bigger armies.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 10:01:44 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Gen.Blather

He and, a couple others, predicted exactly what was to come.

Patrick Henry said the the end of all government ought to be LIBERTY.

George Mason at the debates in opposition to this constitution, Sept, 1787 said..

This government will set out a moderate aristocracy: it is at present impossible to foresee whether it will, in its operation, produce a monarchy, or a corrupt, tyrannical aristocracy; it will most probably vibrate some years between the two, and then terminate in the one or the other.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 10:03:34 AM PDT by crz
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To: tired&retired

Last visit, I noticed the streets were somewhat wet.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 10:04:56 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: crz

” or a corrupt, tyrannical aristocracy;”

Dynasties of Kennedys, Bushes, Clintons and others. Imagine a dynasty so powerful they can kill somebody and everybody knows it and nothing is done. Pope Alexander the sixth (Lucretius Borgia’s father) would have been awed.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 10:07:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Unbelievable isnt it? These few guys knew what this country was being set up for.

Washington, who “was” Masons friend, and the so called father of our country, unfriended George Mason for his opposition. He later, referred to Mason as his former friend.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 10:26:26 AM PDT by crz
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To: tired&retired
Venice is just a small part of the Veneto region. If South Carolina was seceding, would we only speak of Hilton Head seceding? Anyway, during my recent two year stay in Italy, this was a common theme where northern Italian folks felt that the droves of southern voters were basically living large off the labors and taxes of the north. In a way, Italy, is a microcosm (a fractal perhaps?) of the larger Europe.

Of course, as one strolls through the Vatican, you will see a series of paintings documenting a 60 year project, complete with a couple of wars and a triumphant conclusion, to unify Italy from the alps to the toe of the boot. Dissolving such a hard fought long term effort should not be taken lightly. Good luck Italy!

20 posted on 03/16/2014 10:27:23 AM PDT by BRK
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To: ClaytonP

are the Italians massing forces?

oh wait... already worked 20 hours this week


21 posted on 03/16/2014 10:39:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: ClaytonP
Is that, "secede" -- or, "submerge"...?
22 posted on 03/16/2014 10:54:35 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Love it.

If they get production re-started at the Arsenale then we'll know they're serious!

23 posted on 03/16/2014 11:07:55 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: ClaytonP

Scotland is next.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 12:16:50 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: ClaytonP

“That is why a federal system is needed with more power given to local governments so people don’t feel the need to completely sever all ties to get away from all the busy bodies in the nation’s capital. “

It’s interesting that Switzerland with 4 languages and ethnic groups has managed to stay in one piece for centuries. It’s also true that each canton has quite a bit of autonomy. Also despite the different languages they share the same values.

But Switzerland is the exception. For the most part countries with strong ethnic and language differences don’t fare too well, especially when significant religious differences (i.e. values) are also present.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 2:10:59 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: tired&retired

“Isn’t Venice sinking into the sea? Last I was there is was flooded.”

It is, and few people actually live in the city. This is about the surrounding Veneto region that is the richest in Italy, and possibly the richest in Europe.


26 posted on 03/17/2014 7:22:08 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Guns SAVE Lives! www.VCDL.org)
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To: ClaytonP
It only just joined in 1866. Way to reverse the Risorgimento, guys.

Some people just can't make up their minds.

27 posted on 03/18/2014 1:56:22 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: ClaytonP

How will this affect the status of the Air Force base at Aviano, near Venice?


28 posted on 03/18/2014 5:59:58 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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Thanks ClaytonP.

An independent [koff koff] op-ed from Voice of Russia:

Independence is the only way for Venetians to escape failure of Italian state - expert
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_20/Independence-is-the-only-way-for-Venetians-to-escape-failure-of-Italian-state-expert-0952/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Serene_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_San_Marco


29 posted on 03/21/2014 4:15:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks ClaytonP.

An independent [koff koff] op-ed from Voice of Russia:

Independence is the only way for Venetians to escape failure of Italian state - expert
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_20/Independence-is-the-only-way-for-Venetians-to-escape-failure-of-Italian-state-expert-0952/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Serene_Republic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Republic_of_Venice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_San_Marco


30 posted on 03/21/2014 4:15:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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