Skip to comments.Crimeans vote on union with Russia as troops build up rapidly
Posted on 03/16/2014 9:58:15 AM PDT by Errant
SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine/KIEV (Reuters) - Crimeans voted in a referendum on Sunday on whether to break away from Ukraine and join Russia, with Kiev accusing Moscow of rapidly building up its armed forces on...
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Amazing what fear can do.
All Russia needs now is a legal fig leaf to make its covert troop presence legal.
The referendum will be a prelude to Russian troops openly displaying official patches on their uniforms again.
And they were invited by the Crimeans to protect them.
Have you read the tweets? Start reading them upward from 02:00 EDT. I’m surprised they didn’t bring their chickens to vote also.
The turnout for the referendum in Crimea at 5.p.m. local time was 70%. The vote will be closed at 8.p.m. Fabrizio Berto, a member of the European Parliament, who came to Crimea to monitor the referendum, said: I have seen no violations there. People have been voting as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary. Everything is like at elections in Italy. The way it should be everywhere.
The official referendum turnout to be valid is 50+1%. I think the reported figure is genuine.
Option One should get better than 80%. Its all over but you knew that already.
No, no, no. That picture is of a third world location.
Why would any non-suicidal resident of the Crimea vote to remain in the Ukraine now that Vladimir Putin has made it clear he intends to invade the Ukraine and smash any opposition to a Russian takeover?
One way or another, the Crimeans will be under Russian rule. Their only choice is if they want to be dead or alive when the Russian flag is raised over Kiev. Choosing life means choosing to appease the Russian bear today with a Yes vote.
If life in the new, expanded Russia does not meet with the Crimeans’ approval, they can mount an organized opposition movement — not the kind of ad hoc radical uprising by a crazed mob of arsonists that took place in Kiev and wound up igniting Vladimir Putin’s wrath, which is now leading NOT to freedom and democracy but to the crushing of the entire Ukraine.
In USA, they only gave obamafoams.
On a serious note, what were the other people bribed with?
How many hours is Crimea ahead of the US.?
I believe the real question will be if Russia has its sights on Eastern Ukraine as well.
Looks like they understand the value of strongly worded “threats” from Obama and Kerry...
It's on the Eastern European Time (EET) 7 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time. Currently they haven't gone back on daylight savings time, so they are temporarily 6 hours ahead of EDT. They are 1 hour behind Moscow time and 2 hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time.
I'm fairly certain that since Kiev is the seat of Ukrainian independence, they'll take Kiev and with it, the rest of the Ukraine.
Then Putin will promise that's all he wants, and after all, it was to protect ethnic Russians in Crimea. And Horseface Kerry will get a "treaty" signed stating that's all Putin wanted, and will wave it around in victory, claiming "Peace in our time!"
History repeats itself. Last time, it was The Sudatenland, this time, Ukraine. Same 5#it, different era, only the names and geography have changed.
I believe Russia would do a better job of handling thugs like that than our race baiting JustUs department did.
A couple more hours until the polls close at 8:00 PM their time then.
I think they have their sights on the whole of the former Warsaw Pact countries that used to be Soviet satellites. I've gotten reports that the Russians are sending in lots of men and supplies to Moldova which is located between Romania and Ukraine.
They’re starting already
Are they voting for YES - A or YES - B? NO does not appear on the referendum.
That could may be a strategic move to cut off support of insurgency based out of Western Ukraine. It does seem to indicate they are indeed going after Eastern Ukraine tho.
They have their sights on all of The Ukraine, and every other former Soviet territory.
We encourage Kosovo to break away, then get upset when Russia tries to do the same in Crimea. What’s good for the goose, right?
I suppose what we did in Kosovo is ok, then.
Yep, ‘em chickens are coming home to roast alright. O is getting paid back with his ‘own coin’...
Those two clowns would never dare to be standing there if they were in Russia.
But in the US they have privileged status.
We weren't in any way trying to add Kosovo as a territory or state in the US. There's a very big difference!
I think is plus 2 ahead of GMT time. That makes 9 hours ahead of EST.
Of course not....But it’s the height of hypocrisy on our part to suddenly be the “Conscience of the World” against Russia.
“We encourage Kosovo to break away, then get upset when Russia tries to do the same in Crimea. Whats good for the goose, right?”
The internationally recognized right to self-determination is satisfied when a defined group is able to exercise its own choice regarding its political future. On July 2010, the International Court decided that the declaration of independence of Kosovo did not violate general international law, basically because the international law contains no prohibition on declarations of independence. WHY would be any different for the Republic of Crimea, who declared already its independence from Ukraine prior to the referendum?
“Are they voting for YES - A or YES - B?”
The voters are given two choices on the ballot during the Crimean referendum; the voters being able to choose only one:
1) in favor of the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a part of the Russian Federation
2) in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine.
According to current principles of state practice, most recently used to analyze the secessions of Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, and Macedonia, minorities within existing states can secede as a means to gain self-determination only when they meet the following six criteria for self-determination: (1) the existence of a distinct, self-defined group within a state that overwhelmingly supports separatism; (2) a legitimate claim to the territory; (3) a pattern of systematic discrimination or exploitation against a sizable, self-defined minority; (4) the central government's rejection of compromise solutions; (5) the prospect of the territory and people concerned becoming a viable state; and (6) the effect of granting or refusing self-determination on regional and international peace, the effectuation of authoritative governmental processes and respect for human rights, and the impact on both regional and global value processes.
The Serbs were engaging in ethnic cleansing. The US didn't annex Kosovo as a territory or colony.
I don’t think there is much doubt which way this vote is going anyway.
The question should have been solved in 1994. Crimea only belonged to Ukraine because of a drunken Khrushchev trying to atone for his sins as Stalin’s man in the Ukraine.
Kosovo didn't border the US or offer an all weather port either.
“The question should have been solved in 1994. Crimea only belonged to Ukraine because of a drunken Khrushchev trying to atone for his sins as Stalins man in the Ukraine.”
Wrong! I've been to all the time zones involved. It is 2 hours ahead of GMT, but GMT is just 5 hours ahead of EST not 7. They haven't gone on daylight savings time yet, to it is currently only 6 hours ahead of EDT.
The Crimean Tatars don’t want to be under the control of Russia.
“I dont think there is much doubt which way this vote is going anyway.”
Not the shadow of a doubt.
61% of the population are ethnic Russians and 79% declare Russian as their mother tongue. 98% of the population speak Russian, which the official language in Crimea.
Life might be better under Putin—More jobs—more support for army-Navy. There may be a bright spot for the area—I believe there are good reasons to vote for Russian Union.
I don’t care what Muslim Tartars want.
So what? Back in the era of the European empires, the British especially would use local conflicts such as this as a method of adding to their empire. The US wasn't involved in the former Yugoslavia for economic or territorial gain.
Been hearing that there is a lot of voter fraud going on..gee, maybe they should have Photo ID’s oh wait that would be racist
The ballot asks two questions and leaves no option for a no vote. Voters are simply asked to check one of two boxes:
Do you support joining Crimea with the Russian Federation as a subject of Russian Federation?
Do you support restoration of 1992 Crimean Constitution and Crimea’s status as a part of Ukraine?
That Constitution declares that Crimea is an independent state.
No we were interested in establishing a Wahhabist base for our Saudi “friends” in Europe.
Back in the era of the European empires, nuclear weapons weren't available.
Question—What will Ukraine do? Will they attack? Crack down on Russians not living in Criemea? Will they re-arm? Will they cut the gas pipes? Try to cut off Criemea in some way? The ball is now in their court. Today and tomorrow are the most important time for Russia—Ukraine, the world. Fighting could become the spark that could set off the whole of Europe and the world.
More hope and change. So glad Bush is gone; the world only had conflict happen because Bush made everyone hate the United States.
So glad things are different now.