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With 79% Turnout, Exit Polls Confirm 93% Of Voters Back Crimea Joining Russia;
Zerohedge.com ^ | 16 March 2014 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 03/16/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy

With a voter turnout (79.09%) that exceeded every US Presidential election since 1900, the people of Crimea have spoken:

*CRIMEA JOINING RUSSIA BACKED BY 93% OF VOTERS: EXIT POLL Ukraine's leaders have called up 20,000 men for a newly-created National Guard as despite the so-called "truce" Russian APCs and Tanks are rolling. Pro-Russian supporters are burning books in Donetsk after storming anti-Russian buildings. The White House is already out rejecting the vote (before the final results are released).

Voter Turnout (by region):

As exit polls confirm overhwleming support for Crimea to join Russia...

Exit poll by Crimea-based Republican Institute for Political and Sociological Studies released by Kryminform news service.

93% of voters back joining Russia: exit poll

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; crimea; crimeareferendum; putin; russia; ukraine
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So, over to Putin.....and the EU and Obama and Kerry

I don't like this at all, especially given the names above.....

1 posted on 03/16/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy
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To: ScaniaBoy

Full title: With 79% Turnout, Exit Polls Confirm 93% Of Voters Back Crimea Joining Russia; White House Rejects Results


2 posted on 03/16/2014 11:39:48 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

I don’t understand all of the issues as well as I could, I suppose.

After the Soviet Union fell apart, all of the individual regions within the Soviet Union became independent countries, based on popular will, right?

Russia was simply the largest country within the old Soviet Union.

So now, if we see a piece of the old Soviet Union voting to join Russia, isn’t that a reflection of popular will too? Am I missing something?

I confess I don’t have a great knowledge of Russian/Soviet history, or other background issues that may be involved. But from what I hear, these are ethnic Russian peoples who want to be part of Russia.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 11:43:04 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Obama likes democracy only when it goes his way. The Crimea result is repudiation of Obama.

That large a margin all but guarantees Putin can’t say “no” to Crimean accession to Russia. Its a done deal.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 11:43:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It was a mere fluke that Crimea went to Ukraine in the first place.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 11:44:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ScaniaBoy

You do understand that the only choice on the ballot was...YES!


6 posted on 03/16/2014 11:44:14 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U

They had a choice to stay with Ukraine.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 11:44:55 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

As Stalin and Obama believe: It doesn’t matter who votes, only who counts the votes.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 11:45:58 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Ukraine wants to go with Russia?

Chop you low Obama...


9 posted on 03/16/2014 11:46:45 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dfwgator

Russian troops in the streets, anyone who thinks this is a legitimate vote is crazy


10 posted on 03/16/2014 11:46:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"We made sure dem homies voted the right way...President Putin be proud of us"


11 posted on 03/16/2014 11:47:09 AM PDT by moovova
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To: ScaniaBoy

Who counted the vote? Russian troops?


12 posted on 03/16/2014 11:47:34 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Beagle8U

Now or later.

Most voters opted for now.

But its rich to see Obama denounce the whole thing... when he got 101% of the vote in some precincts in this country.

Obama knows how to rig elections - he’s the expert.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 11:47:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, broadly speaking you are right. Of course one can argue whether the referendum was carried out under the threat of occupation (by the Russians), but according to the recent history and the reports from journalists in the region the result appears to reflect the general view of the local population.

Now, if the present day politicans in Ukraine, Russia and elsewhere could take a leaf out of the story of Czechoslovakia where Slovakia was peacefully allow to seceed in 1993 (the Velvet divorce) things could probably be solved in a reasonable way, but the likelihood of that is very slim.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 11:47:55 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Voting with a gun to their back


15 posted on 03/16/2014 11:48:13 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ScaniaBoy

only only one of those names deserves to be taken seriously


16 posted on 03/16/2014 11:49:13 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: GeronL

So the Russian troops are standing inside every voting booth?


17 posted on 03/16/2014 11:49:22 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In 1956 Crimea was given as a gift to Ukraine from Russia. It didn’t matter so much then as it was all part of USSR.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 11:50:01 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Beagle8U

“You do understand that the only choice on the ballot was...YES!”

Make that ‘Da’, baby;)


19 posted on 03/16/2014 11:50:24 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ScaniaBoy

Next on Putty’s menu the Baltics.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 11:50:44 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: dfwgator
They had a choice to stay with Ukraine.

Source?

21 posted on 03/16/2014 11:51:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ScaniaBoy
The White House is already out rejecting the vote (before the final results are released).

Ya got to love it...

22 posted on 03/16/2014 11:51:30 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ScaniaBoy

How come Jimmy Carter wasn’t sent as an emissary to monitor the vote?


23 posted on 03/16/2014 11:51:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Insurgent Conservative)
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To: Revolting cat!

They belong to NATO, so that’s a whole other kettle of borscht.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 11:52:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ScaniaBoy
Consider the Crimea is predominantly people of Russian descent, and was 'given' to the Ukranian SSR by Nikita Kruschev to smooth his transition to power, (when there was a USSR), I'm not so surprised at the results.

They make more sense, given the demographics of the Crimea than the last US POTUS election.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Was it last week or two weeks ago that the Fat Boy of North Korea received 100% votes in the democratic election there?


26 posted on 03/16/2014 11:52:52 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: GeronL

As legitimate as the vote in Philadelphia, or any other urban area in this country.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 11:53:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Beowulf9

PAWSEEBLE VOTES

#1 Da

#2 DA DA


28 posted on 03/16/2014 11:53:17 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Jesus came to Save not Entertain / Ground John Kerry Now!)
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To: Revolting cat!

The Baltic countries are NATO members. As long as that oganization exists it is unlikely, no make that very unlikely, that Russia would interfere with those countries. What is of interest now is what is going to happen in eastern Ukraine, the Donetsk area. Will they also demand referendum? Will Russia move troops into those areas as well?


29 posted on 03/16/2014 11:54:13 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: GeronL
Someone else the other day mentioned that it was the Soviet Union that lumped Crimea with the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic and I got looking in to it and they were right. It was Kruschev who actually did it (He actually was Ukrainian).

The Crimea has more Russians in it than Ukranians and they mix like oil and water.

I really do not seeing them uniting willfully and the Ukraine would be smart to allow this to happen for a price.

30 posted on 03/16/2014 11:54:57 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: dfwgator

Well, no.
Not really.

The EU has its hooks in Ukraine, and looked at medium term and long term the only likely choices were being subject to Russian bureaucrats or EU Bureaucrats.

Independent Ukraine needed a champion and with the election of Obama there ceased to be one available.

This is partially a lesser of two evils elaction since you don’t have to be very bright to forcast the impending EU collapse and how bloody it will inevitably become before its over.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 11:55:36 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
no make that very unlikely,

And you know that how? Putin has been playing chess, testing the opponent and winning. NATO has proven itself to be a paper tiger.

32 posted on 03/16/2014 11:56:12 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: FreeReign

The ballot paper is here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26514797

Option 1: Rejoining the Russian Federation

Option 2: Returning Crimea to the 1992 constitution as an autonomous province of Ukraine.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 11:57:48 AM PDT by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: FreeReign

Two choices (only) on the ballot - part of the Russian federation or an increased freedom within Ukraine (according to a now defunct constitution).

Interestingly enough it may well have been the second choice that would have been wished for in the Kreml. That would have put the ball back in Kiev’s lap, and the Crimean votes would still have counted in the upcoming elections, where it is far from a foregone conclusion that the Maidan parties would win.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 11:58:40 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

If this is “democracy”, then northern California and Colorado should have no liberal resistance to forming their own states.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 11:58:44 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: goldstategop

That large a margin all but guarantees Putin can’t say “no” to Crimean accession to Russia. Its a done deal.

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With an overwhelming vote like that, Putin is appearing as a savior, an image he can now use to move on to annexing the eastern Ukraine. The chessmaster Putin is taking the idiot Obama to school.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 11:59:03 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: goldstategop

“The Crimea result is repudiation of Obama”

Putin 1 - Obama 0


37 posted on 03/16/2014 12:00:57 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Revolting cat!
I don't know that, but based on the events up till now, I find this the most likely outcome. But only time will tell.
38 posted on 03/16/2014 12:01:18 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

With the Crimean seats now vacant in the Verkovna Rada, two million pro-Russian votes are gone.

This means Ukrainian nationalists should easily win the May 25 election.

Not what Moscow really wanted but at least it now has Crimea as a consolation prize.


39 posted on 03/16/2014 12:03:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Starboard
The chessmaster Putin is taking the idiot Obama to school.

Don't forget the EU. Remember it all started when Yanukovich refused to sign a deal with the EU. And the EU (aboslutely) (and probably the US) supported the Maidan demonstrators.

40 posted on 03/16/2014 12:04:16 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

The Baltics, and especially Estonia have large and restless Russian minorities, unhappy to be cut off from Mother Russia. What would stop Putin from intervening to “protect” the Russian minority? What would NATO do?

The point? The point is that throughout the history of Russia, and not just in the last century, the country has been an imperial power with unstoppable appetite for its neighbours. Has anything changed?


41 posted on 03/16/2014 12:05:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: goldstategop

Yes, exactly. That’s why I and others have assumed that Kreml hoped for the other alternative, but the situation has really got out of hand for all participants, and possibly Putni considered this result was seen as “good enough”.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 12:07:15 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Which Crimeans have no desire to be part of. They’ve formally left the country but that was already clear for some time. And now the forthcoming Russian annexation has the stamp of democratic legitimacy behind it - and Kiev and the West are reduced to talking about illegality.


43 posted on 03/16/2014 12:07:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Revolting cat!
Has anything changed?

Not much! And unfortunately for the Baltics they have always been situated between two (or more) voracious powers; Sweden and Russia, Germany and Russia, Germany and the USSR, and now the EU and Russia.

Yes, the EU is an imperial power, though it has so far only used "soft power" and the power lent it by the US.

44 posted on 03/16/2014 12:09:55 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: goldstategop

Why did Russia ever want to cede Crimea in the first place, and that at the Sinkmeister’s request? I can only think it was so Ukraine would nurse it to better health, then comes the grab like today.

The US Civil War formerly started not even over the secession but over federal properties that were seized by the seceded states. Well surely this Crimea has just walked away (or been walked away) with he Ukrainian equivalent. Just “curious” how that little matter is going to stand. I am not so sure Ukraine wants to just forgive it.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 12:11:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Revolting cat!

One reason apart from the NATO membership not to be too worried about the Baltics is that they have handled the euro-crisis somewhat better than the other countries. The economy is on its way up at the moment (but that can surely change due to the Ukranian crisis) and therefore the social/ethnical problems are less acute than they were only a few years ago.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 12:13:15 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No, Crimea was ceded to Ukraine in 1954 by Chrustjev. It remained that way when the USSR broke up.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 12:16:00 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
I'm on the same page as you with the thought process. With the heavily pro-Russian Crimea and any other areas that can join them not voting in the Ukranian elections, looking at the map it seems that the west will vote for the pro-Europe candidates. This vote and Crimea (and any other nearby areas that join them) being part of Russia just might be what saves Ukraine from the chaos Obama and McCain created every other place they touched.

Maybe Putin does know best, and solved a seemingly impossible situation. I pray that is so.

Meanwhile, instead of all of this talk about the US defending Ukraines border, how about defending our own southern border and kicking invaders out of the US?

48 posted on 03/16/2014 12:17:03 PM PDT by grania
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To: ScaniaBoy

But what about all the resources Ukraine sunk into that place. Gone. And Russia is surely going to keep having the nerve to harangue Ukraine about their gas bill.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 12:17:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Bye, Bye, California, and New Mexico, and half of Texas.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 12:19:39 PM PDT by meadsjn
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