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Russia media say Crimea votes 93 percent to quit Ukraine
Reuters ^ | 15 Mar 14 | Mike Collett-White and Ronald Popeski

Posted on 03/16/2014 12:13:43 PM PDT by elhombrelibre

(Reuters) - Russian state media said Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to break with Ukraine and join Russia on Sunday, as Kiev accused Moscow of pouring forces into the peninsula and warned separatist leaders "the ground will burn under their feet".

RIA news agency said 93 percent backed annexation, citing an exit poll released as voting ended at 8 p.m. (1800 GMT). Another Russian agency said turnout was over 80 percent.

Caught in an East-West crisis reminiscent of the Cold War, Kiev said Russia's build-up of forces in the Black Sea region was in "crude violation" of an international treaty, and announced plans to arm and train 20,000 members of a newly-created National Guard to defend the nation.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bhorussia; crime; crimea; crimeareferendum; putin; putinism
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You'd think President for Life Putin could get 100% support in this "plebiscite."
1 posted on 03/16/2014 12:13:43 PM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

If it were 100% it might looked rigged. LOL


2 posted on 03/16/2014 12:17:05 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: elhombrelibre

If it were 100% it might looked rigged. LOL


3 posted on 03/16/2014 12:17:05 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Given that there were many photos of the ballots showing that they had been pre-marked, I guess this is a victory for the “no” vote. lol


4 posted on 03/16/2014 12:17:48 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: elhombrelibre

Wasn’t there a coup in Kiev? Seems like a referendum is more democratic than a coup.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 12:19:55 PM PDT by anton
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To: elhombrelibre

BLOW THE PIPELINES.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 12:20:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: anton
Wasn’t there a coup in Kiev?

No, there wasn't. (Say hello to Alex Jones from us.)

7 posted on 03/16/2014 12:21:34 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I wonder if Jimmy Carter was there to monitor and bow.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 12:22:53 PM PDT by mort56
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To: anton

There was a coup in Russia too when Putin overthrew Yeltsin.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 12:23:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Thats nothing. In some districts obama got 116% of the vote


10 posted on 03/16/2014 12:25:33 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: elhombrelibre

Well.......John Kerry, you drew the line in the sand...as did POTUS Obama.....is there no comment from you two incompetents??? What are you two blithering idiots gonna do now???


11 posted on 03/16/2014 12:27:11 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: b4its2late
If it were 100% it might looked rigged.

Hey, this is just an "exit poll".

Wait til they release the "official count".

12 posted on 03/16/2014 12:27:32 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Revolting cat!

“No, there wasn’t. (Say hello to Alex Jones from us.)”

Well, you don’t have to personalize the issue. I didn’t even know who Alex Jones was until i looked him up.

But, I imagine that if we stormed Washington and Obama fled the city and sought refuge in Chicago and the Congress replaced him in his absence, someone would be calling a coup. Isn’t that about what happened in Kiev?


13 posted on 03/16/2014 12:28:47 PM PDT by anton
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To: anton

What referendum? The supposed voting was a blatantly staged fraud with truckloads of premarked ballots and ballots with no option to vote in favor of ramining a territory of the Ukraine.

Those reports prove the election was massively rigged by Putin’s Russian regime, because the demographics alone make such an election result quite impossible. The Ukrainians make up something on the order of more than 25 percent of the population and the Crimean Tatars more than 12 percent of the population. The ethnic Russians are fewer than 58 percent of the population. Many ethnic Russians in the Crimea were loyal to the Ukraine and wanted to have nothing to do with Putin’s autocratic Russian government. At the very most a fair election result would have seen no more than a 45 percent vote in favor of annexing to Russia, and a far more likely result would have been around 9 to 12 percent in favor of Russian annexation.

Another way of knowing with absolute certainty the voting was rigged and fraudulent is by looking at the ballots. The ballots presented the voter with only two choices. One choice was for the Crimea to declare independence from the Ukraine. The other choice was for the Crimea to declare independence from the Ukraine and request Russian to annex the Crimea to Russia. The faked vote chose to become annexed to Russia. Nowhere on the ballot was there any option to vote in favor of remaining the territory of the Ukraine.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 12:28:56 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: elhombrelibre
Excerpt:

Crimea's 1.5 million voters have two options: union with Russia or giving their region, which is controlled by pro-Kremlin politicians, the broad right to determine its own path and choose relations with whom it wants - including Moscow.

So, it's either secede from Ukraine or secede from Ukraine. What a choice! No option for 'Russia go home'.

15 posted on 03/16/2014 12:30:13 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: elhombrelibre

Wish we could vote like that. I’d secede in a heartbeat.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 12:31:25 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: anton

Sorry, I associate the word ‘coup’ with this radio blabbermouth, whom I only know from reports here.

Anyway, you are asking a good question. Was it a coup or not? The president fled and the parliament replaced him. By the way, there is a video on Youtube showing his men packing his possessions in trucks BEFORE he signed that agreement with the two foreign ministers which was never observed.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 12:33:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: WhiskeyX

“Nowhere on the ballot was there any option to vote in favor of remaining the territory of the Ukraine.”

I’m pretty sure Putin already decided that was not a choice. Better without bloodshed, though.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 12:34:15 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: WhiskeyX

I think you are barking. Crimea is Russian. 60% ethnic Russians. 12% Tartars. Less than a 1/4 Ukrainians who are split on East West preference about equal. They hate the West.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 12:34:46 PM PDT by anton
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To: lowbridge

To borrow a quote from JFK’s dad, “we aren’t paying for a landslide.”


20 posted on 03/16/2014 12:37:14 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Wish we could vote like that. I’d secede in a heartbeat.

The last time a part of the U.S. tried that, the national government responded by saying it wasn't valid, which eventually led to, well, you know.

21 posted on 03/16/2014 12:38:36 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: anton

By your logic, parts of the USA that have enough Mexicans can vote to region Mexico if they so wish.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 12:40:00 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: b4its2late

“If it were 100% it might looked rigged. LOL”

Or like Philadelphia last election. Oh wait, that was 102%! Evidently RATs can’t count headstones with any accuracy.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 12:44:52 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: ilovesarah2012

Everyone is aware of course that Crimea had a different form of self government than all the other districts of the Ukraine.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 12:45:40 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: elhombrelibre

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/tartar-ukraine-sunni-muslims-threat-russian-rule-crimea


25 posted on 03/16/2014 12:46:34 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: elhombrelibre

“By your logic, parts of the USA that have enough Mexicans can vote to region Mexico if they so wish.”


That isn’t my logic, that is your logic. I wouldn’t give Mexicans the right to vote anything.

But, I do support secession if that is what you mean. It is the only way to get away from the massive hoards of welfare ghetto crud and their liberal cage keepers. I’d move today if Utah, Montana, or Wyoming could secede from the US.


26 posted on 03/16/2014 12:46:47 PM PDT by anton
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To: Sacajaweau

Yeah, a parliament that was taken over by gun-wielding men.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 12:47:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: PaulCruz2016

US indivisible? Now 47 states want to secede

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13390896-us-indivisible-now-31-states-want-to-secede

Apparently I am not alone.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 12:49:18 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

What about the 57 Obama visited? lol


29 posted on 03/16/2014 12:50:34 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks, I’d seen that story. Under Putin’s benign leadership, the Tatars will end up like the Chechens with a huge cycle of violence to follow.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: elhombrelibre

They would have won the vote count without inflating the outcome. Life was never good in the Ukraine (it is poor country). The Russians promised a big leap in pension (almost double), retirement age reduction (60 years old men, 55 for women), nobody in their current jobs to be fired if doing satisfactory work, everyone gets Russian passports, better military pension if switching sides (three times greater), higher pay for the military, generous housing allowances for military, gas 50% cheaper, etc...


31 posted on 03/16/2014 12:53:43 PM PDT by BushCountry (If you're wondering, "I got my screenname before GW was elected the first time.")
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To: anton

The pattern of government in the Ukraine has been: Popular Revolt to election won by one group of hopelessly corrupt politicians to bureaucratic revolt to election to install pro Russian mafia to popular revolt and chaos. I wouldn’t view an out and out thief as a legitimate government when he ran on a reform ticket. Of course, by that measure, there aren’t that many legitimate governments around.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 12:53:54 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: elhombrelibre
Yeltsin was seriously ill and a drunkin' slob and finally resigned. Putin as PM succeeded him and it was not a coup. Three months later, there were elections.

The IMF had given Russia under Yeltsin $40 billion...and it disappeared.

In the last election, Putin got about 60% of the vote. The Communist Party got almost 20%.

33 posted on 03/16/2014 12:56:17 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Kackikat

LOL I started to put “only ten more to go”.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 12:56:36 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: elhombrelibre

At least someone is doing something to try to rid the world of Muslim scum.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by anton
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To: BushCountry

Its all about the money stupid: jobs and benefits.

And voters the world over never say “no” to these kind of things. Certainly Russia is a prosperous country but now it has to figure out how to pay for those promises to Crimean voters.

The sell was the easy part; the challenge will be in delivering on all that was promised.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 12:59:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ilovesarah2012

You may not be that far off in your prediction.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 1:03:26 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: ilovesarah2012

ROFL...I thought you were commenting on a different comment...my bad! Apologies...too funny. Gotcha drift now.
The man is sad and pathetic.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 1:05:22 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: elhombrelibre

Via con Dios...


39 posted on 03/16/2014 1:07:48 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: WhiskeyX

“Those reports prove the election was massively rigged by Putin’s Russian regime, because the demographics alone make such an election result quite impossible”

Never watched an election in Chicago, DC, or Detroit, have you?.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: elhombrelibre

Let them move out of Crimea. No one is stopping them. Wait till they find out that Ukraine proper doesn’t want them.


41 posted on 03/16/2014 1:14:37 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tcrlaf

You forgot the famed NY and Philly.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 1:15:50 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: elhombrelibre

http://articles.philly.com/2012-11-09/news/34995157_1_voter-turnout-president-obama-gop-voters


43 posted on 03/16/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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“Never watched an election in Chicago, DC, or Detroit, have you?.”

I most certainly have. In fact, I was also illegally denied the right to vote in a California election and was threatened with arrest by the Democrat precinct workers before I could open my mouth to say a word to ask what was going on. As I left the poll to go and report the illegality, I stopped long enough to read the mandatory printout of the voters authorized to vote at the precinct poll. I found that my name had been removed from that list and the names of illegal aliens with Hispanic names had been substituted for mine at the address of my own home. I had previously received fraudulent California driver’s licenses at my home address for these same people.

When I got home from the poll, I began telephoning the authorities to report the vote fraud. Each office I called variously said they had no authority on vote fraud and suggested another office I could call. I spoke with the Los Angeles election authorities, the District Attorney’s Office, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, the California Attorney General’s Office, the U.S. Attorney General’s Office, my Republican Congressman’s office, the U.S. Postal Servie Inspector General, and a number of other authorities. To make a long story short, these offices either claimed they could not accept such a report of vote fraud or identity fraud, or they went another step further by threatening to have me arrested for illegally opening another person’s U.S. Mail, which was untrue because I never opened the mail. In any event, no authority, state or Federal, would accept my report of vote fraud and identity fraud.

A few years later we moved our employment and our business out of California to another state.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 1:26:21 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: elhombrelibre

The overall voter turnout in the referendum on the status of Crimea is 81,37%


45 posted on 03/16/2014 1:28:25 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: elhombrelibre

WTF? Putin was Yeltsin’s hand-picked successor, who was made his #2 more than a year before he resigned.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 1:37:30 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Sacajaweau

Why should they have to move and not the Russians? The Tartars only left that region when Stalin (and I hope you’re not a fan of his) dragged them out. Also, and this may not matter to you, Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians in 1933. The Russians were his willing executioners, too. So if anyone is the victim, it’s not these Russians worried about how they can increase their pensions or how they can retire early.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 1:40:14 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: Sacajaweau
How Putin Came to Power:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how%20putin%20came%20to%20power&sm=1

48 posted on 03/16/2014 1:41:46 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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How Stalin treated the Ukranians:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afVdnbMd6gA

49 posted on 03/16/2014 1:43:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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To: dangus
How Putin Came to Power:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how%20putin%20came%20to%20power&sm=1

50 posted on 03/16/2014 1:44:08 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Free Ukraine. Free Venezuela. Free Syria. Free Iran. Free the USA.)
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