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Final words from jet came after systems shutdown
Yahoo Finance ^ | March 16, 2014 | AP: CHRIS BRUMMITT and JIM GOMEZ

Posted on 03/16/2014 12:27:57 PM PDT by Innovative

Investigators have said someone on board the plane first disabled one of its communications systems — the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS — about 40 minutes after takeoff.

Around 14 minutes later, the transponder that identifies the plane to commercial radar systems was also shut down. The fact that both systems went dark separately offered strong evidence that the plane's disappearance was deliberate.

On Sunday, Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference that that the final, reassuring words from the cockpit — "All right, good night" — were spoken to air traffic controllers after the ACARS system was shut off. Whoever spoke did not mention any trouble on board.

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KEYWORDS: boeing777; hijacking; iran; malaysia; mh370; planecrash; planehijack; terrorism; waronterror
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This makes it pretty conclusive that it was either the pilots, or someone already took over the plane. I wonder if they can do a voice analysis -- one would think they should be able to do that to find out whether one of the pilots spoke those final words or someone else.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 12:27:57 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Real final words - Allah Akbar!


2 posted on 03/16/2014 12:32:16 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Innovative

Now we’re gettin’ somewhere.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 12:35:32 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Innovative

Weren’t most of the passengers Chinese citizens?

Don’t seem to be hearing much from the Chinese govt?

Surprised at this.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 12:38:16 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Innovative
It's looking a lot like one or both of the pilots planned this carefully.

They chose to go dark right at the hand-off point between Malaysian ATC and Vietnamese, maximizing the time before they would be missed. Then they turned west to minimize tracking by military radar. Then probably northwest towards a destination somewhere in the 'stans.

There remains the problem of Indian and other military radar along the way. How do they react to non-transponding blips? Perhaps, Captain Zaharie tail-gated a legitimate flight for a ways. ATC would see the legitimate flight's squawk. Military radar would see the legitimate squawk along with a slightly brighter blip?

5 posted on 03/16/2014 12:38:59 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Innovative; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

According to later reports the last words recorded were as follows: “Famous last words!”


6 posted on 03/16/2014 12:40:55 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: Innovative

No doubt it was one of the pilots. But which one? Was it the 53 year old father of three, aviation enthusiast and political opponent of the current Malaysian leadership? Or was it the 26 year old well connected pampered co pilot who fancies himself a stud and who’s father is well connected politically?Hunch: The 26 year old came on to one of those hot flight attendants and she told him in no uncertain terms to get lost. He was probably angry and humiliated. Young men in that condition do silly and impulsive things. He probably went jihadist and thought if he killed his mostly infidel Chinese passengers, he would be a martyr and get his 72 virgins. Investigators should interview Malaysian flight attendants to learn the real deal about these pilots. Actually probably will never know what really happened but the Malaysian government no doubt will blame the older pilot.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 12:41:00 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Innovative

There was an FR post earlier today (which has since been pulled) in which an apparent FR aviation expert informed us that the ACARS sends data ONLY on significant events (gear-up, gear-down, achieving cruise) and NEVER on time. So the reports that it sent out data every half hour are wrong - it would not be expected to send out more data until gear-down (which didn’t happen).


8 posted on 03/16/2014 12:41:43 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Innovative

I was thinking it was “Thank you, come again”


9 posted on 03/16/2014 12:43:55 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Innovative; crosslink; Black Agnes; hoosiermama; maggief; LucyT; SatinDoll; null and void

Ping to this link!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3133902/posts?page=1#1

Innovative, thanks for the post!


10 posted on 03/16/2014 12:44:30 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: cynwoody

Did you already see the possible wreckage and debris on this thread?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3133830/posts?page=65


11 posted on 03/16/2014 12:45:02 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Innovative
If these planes can transmit to satellites, then why do we have FDR and CVR boxes at all?

Why not transmit relevant operational data, along with cockpit voice recordings to the satellite, every 60 seconds or something, and do away with the boxes?

The airline companies can record the whole thing and toss them out after a safe landing, or keep them for a week or something.

It's bound to be less traffic than the legions of twits.

12 posted on 03/16/2014 12:48:29 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Hello Izzy. You got that right. There was no indication that the ACARS was turned off. The last ACARS data downlink was at cruise initiation at 1:07. It’s next scheduled data downlink should have been at geardown. No geardown means no ACARS downlink. That is the way it is supposed to work.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 12:48:53 PM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: WildHighlander57; crosslink; hoosiermama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpL1i63lsas&feature=youtu.be

#MH370 : CCTV Footages of Captain and First Officer at Security Check Point KLIA


14 posted on 03/16/2014 12:48:57 PM PDT by maggief
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To: allendale

“Was it the 53 year old father of three”...

See my link in post 156 on antoher thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3133704/posts?page=156#156

The article I linked in that post says:

“And in a new twist, it emerged that the pilot’s wife and three children moved out of the family’s home the day before the plane’s disappearance.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3248001#ixzz2w9njxFQ6

Somewhat suspicious, to say the least...


15 posted on 03/16/2014 12:50:10 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Izzy Dunne
ACARS sends data ONLY on significant events (gear-up, gear-down, achieving cruise) and NEVER on time. So the reports that it sent out data every half hour are wrong - it would not be expected to send out more data until gear-down (which didn’t happen).

Reportedly, they turned off ACARS first, before the transponder. What they neglected to do, however, was also to turn off the satellite radio system that ACARS uses. It pings the geosynchronous satellite from time to time, even if it has no traffic, and the satellite is able to gauge the airplane's distance, but not its direction, from the ping timing. That is what those circular arcs on the map are based upon.

16 posted on 03/16/2014 12:50:40 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Innovative

From this morning’s presser.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-live-3245935#ixzz2w9oJj3Uy

9:56 am
The plane did not take off with any additional fuel, the press conference is told.

Another journalist asks about reports that the pilot’s family moved out of their home in the days before the flight. The police say that is not correct.

They confirmed they took a flight simulator from the pilot’s home.

It is possible that signals received from the plane after it lost contact with ground control could have been sent while the plane was on the ground, so long as it had electrical power, officials add.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 12:52:31 PM PDT by maggief
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To: a fool in paradise
Sorry, i9t turns out that the last recorded message appears to have been: "Roger, Roger!"
18 posted on 03/16/2014 12:54:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: txhurl

That tomnod.com imagery is definitely the wreckage, and I think I even see a life raft and a paddle, even. Not joking.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 12:55:13 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Innovative

I know nothing about aviation, so bear with me: Is there any legitimate reason why a pilot would turn off the transponder while a plane is in flight?


20 posted on 03/16/2014 12:55:19 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: cynwoody

Hello cynwoody. Please read post 47 in today’s Sunday Talk Show Thread 16 in the right side border. Post 47 and the following posts should answer your questions.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 12:55:48 PM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: Revolting cat!

Sum Ting Wong?


22 posted on 03/16/2014 12:56:31 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: maggief

Nothing appeared suspicious there. Or did I miss something?


23 posted on 03/16/2014 12:59:29 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I can definitely make out the logo on the tail. Surprised at how intact it is.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 1:01:19 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: robert14

“Thread 16 in the right side border.”
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What is a right side border?


25 posted on 03/16/2014 1:01:30 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: hoosiermama

Did they set off the alarms?


26 posted on 03/16/2014 1:03:01 PM PDT by maggief
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To: GreenHornet

“Is there any legitimate reason why a pilot would turn off the transponder while a plane is in flight?”

If it was malfunctioning in some way. It’s always a good thing to be able to power off individual systems because you never know what might crop up.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 1:03:42 PM PDT by PLMerite
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To: Repeal The 17th

Look in the breaking news column on the right side of the FreeRepublic Web page.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 1:03:44 PM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: cynwoody
Reportedly, they turned off ACARS first, before the transponder.

But, if the expert friend if right, the ACARS wasn't necessarily turned off. It wouldn't have transmitted until something significant happened.

29 posted on 03/16/2014 1:05:04 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Innovative

That is interesting. However you would think that by now competent non vested investigators would have accumulated and confirmed pertinent information about these two. Not sure the Malaysians will do an open and thorough investigation. They fear the Chinese. Who do you think was the culprit?


30 posted on 03/16/2014 1:08:34 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Revolting cat!
Sorry, it turns out that the last recorded message appears to have been: "Roger, Roger!"

"Hold muh beer and watch THIS !"

"Beam me up, Scotty".

"Set course 3-4-4, mark 2-1, warp 5 - ENGAGE!"

31 posted on 03/16/2014 1:08:44 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: robert14; maggief; WildHighlander57; LucyT; crosslink; All

Thanks. Here’s 47 from. Sunday thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3133781/posts?q=1&;page=47


32 posted on 03/16/2014 1:09:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Izzy, almost right. The ACARS sends out engine data reports at liftoff when the nose gear strut extends, at cruise initiation when the pilot pulls back on the throttle ( news media got this right; happened at 1:07), and at gear down. Since the gear never came down the third report was never sent.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 1:10:10 PM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: hoosiermama

Thank you for helping.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 1:11:17 PM PDT by robert14 (cng)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Very good questions.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 1:13:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: robert14

You’re more than welcome.
(Just copy the address at top and change the last numbers to the post you want There are fancier ways but this is quickest and easiest)


36 posted on 03/16/2014 1:14:02 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: maggief
They confirmed they took a flight simulator from the pilot’s home.

I would suspect a whole lot of pilots have simulators.

37 posted on 03/16/2014 1:14:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Innovative

According to my Chinese wife, who regularly peruses Chinese Web-Sites, the consensus among MOST Chinese, is that the plane was attempting to get to Somalia - a Muslim country, known for Piracy...

FWIW


38 posted on 03/16/2014 1:16:15 PM PDT by Paisan
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To: Innovative

They can easily determine which pilot said those words..if a hijacking had taken place by someone ON the plane who had nothing to do with the cockpit they would have said something in code to tell control that a hijacking was taking place. I am still standing by my theory that this plane has landed somewhere, maybe it refueled, or is just sitting there, waiting for things to die down then they will fly it again


39 posted on 03/16/2014 1:17:25 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2banana
Real final words - Allah Akbar!

Yes, but we won't hear those words until the next public appearance of this aircraft. Especially, if instead of finding it, it finds us.

40 posted on 03/16/2014 1:21:20 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: robert14

So you are saying the satellite link is via Iridium (low earth orbit, lots of satellites, in constant motion relative to the ground), not Inmarsat (one satellite, geosynchronous, parked 22,300 miles above a point along the equator in the Indian Ocean)? The diagram with the arcs is supposedly based on the conclusions of Inmarsat engineers.


41 posted on 03/16/2014 1:23:08 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Innovative
air traffic controllers

A term used despite the American understanding of what it means here. It isn't the same thing, there isn't positive control in most areas covered by ICAO. The transponder was secured because the flight was going to turn west into an area that had radar coverage.

42 posted on 03/16/2014 1:23:12 PM PDT by xone
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To: GreenHornet
Is there any legitimate reason why a pilot would turn off the transponder while a plane is in flight?

The aircraft probably has dual transponders; so if one fails, it would be powered-off, and the pilot would be sure that the other was powered on. Short of that, transponders often have partial capability - you can "squawk altitude" or not, if there is some problem with the message content.

43 posted on 03/16/2014 1:24:48 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: allendale

No pilot I know would go all Muhamud Atta because a flight attendant turned him down. They would simply move on to the flight attendant.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 1:25:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Innovative

Bookmark


45 posted on 03/16/2014 1:25:47 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Sherman Logan
I would suspect a whole lot of pilots have simulators.

True, but if this pilot is the guy, and he has a home simulator, is it not highly likely he practiced something especially interesting on it? Like putting her down at a difficult airport somewhere in the 'stans?

46 posted on 03/16/2014 1:25:59 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Izzy Dunne

Here are a few reasons:

1. Satellite space segment is expensive.

2. The antennas will not work with the aircraft in unusual attitudes, such as diving straight for the ocean.

3. There are fairly frequent windows of satcom unavailability.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 1:28:28 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: txhurl

I agree that post is very interesting, I sure hope someone is looking very closely at that point.

The data is from 3/12.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 1:28:30 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: robert14

Ya’ see...
there’s the problem, right there, in a nutshell.

Each FReeper can customize how they view Free Republic
(Go to: Account-Manage Blocks-My Page Layout)
and I do not have a breaking news column on the right side
or on the left side, or on the top side, or the bottom side.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 1:30:19 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: maggief

Don’t know. Do you think they might have or should have?


50 posted on 03/16/2014 1:30:25 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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