Skip to comments.Final words from jet came after systems shutdown
Posted on 03/16/2014 12:27:57 PM PDT by Innovative
Investigators have said someone on board the plane first disabled one of its communications systems the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS about 40 minutes after takeoff.
Around 14 minutes later, the transponder that identifies the plane to commercial radar systems was also shut down. The fact that both systems went dark separately offered strong evidence that the plane's disappearance was deliberate.
On Sunday, Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference that that the final, reassuring words from the cockpit "All right, good night" were spoken to air traffic controllers after the ACARS system was shut off. Whoever spoke did not mention any trouble on board.
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Real final words - Allah Akbar!
Now we’re gettin’ somewhere.
Weren’t most of the passengers Chinese citizens?
Don’t seem to be hearing much from the Chinese govt?
Surprised at this.
They chose to go dark right at the hand-off point between Malaysian ATC and Vietnamese, maximizing the time before they would be missed. Then they turned west to minimize tracking by military radar. Then probably northwest towards a destination somewhere in the 'stans.
There remains the problem of Indian and other military radar along the way. How do they react to non-transponding blips? Perhaps, Captain Zaharie tail-gated a legitimate flight for a ways. ATC would see the legitimate flight's squawk. Military radar would see the legitimate squawk along with a slightly brighter blip?
According to later reports the last words recorded were as follows: “Famous last words!”
No doubt it was one of the pilots. But which one? Was it the 53 year old father of three, aviation enthusiast and political opponent of the current Malaysian leadership? Or was it the 26 year old well connected pampered co pilot who fancies himself a stud and who’s father is well connected politically?Hunch: The 26 year old came on to one of those hot flight attendants and she told him in no uncertain terms to get lost. He was probably angry and humiliated. Young men in that condition do silly and impulsive things. He probably went jihadist and thought if he killed his mostly infidel Chinese passengers, he would be a martyr and get his 72 virgins. Investigators should interview Malaysian flight attendants to learn the real deal about these pilots. Actually probably will never know what really happened but the Malaysian government no doubt will blame the older pilot.
There was an FR post earlier today (which has since been pulled) in which an apparent FR aviation expert informed us that the ACARS sends data ONLY on significant events (gear-up, gear-down, achieving cruise) and NEVER on time. So the reports that it sent out data every half hour are wrong - it would not be expected to send out more data until gear-down (which didn’t happen).
I was thinking it was “Thank you, come again”
Ping to this link!
Innovative, thanks for the post!
Did you already see the possible wreckage and debris on this thread?
Why not transmit relevant operational data, along with cockpit voice recordings to the satellite, every 60 seconds or something, and do away with the boxes?
The airline companies can record the whole thing and toss them out after a safe landing, or keep them for a week or something.
It's bound to be less traffic than the legions of twits.
Hello Izzy. You got that right. There was no indication that the ACARS was turned off. The last ACARS data downlink was at cruise initiation at 1:07. It’s next scheduled data downlink should have been at geardown. No geardown means no ACARS downlink. That is the way it is supposed to work.
#MH370 : CCTV Footages of Captain and First Officer at Security Check Point KLIA
“Was it the 53 year old father of three”...
See my link in post 156 on antoher thread:
The article I linked in that post says:
“And in a new twist, it emerged that the pilot’s wife and three children moved out of the family’s home the day before the plane’s disappearance.”
Somewhat suspicious, to say the least...
Reportedly, they turned off ACARS first, before the transponder. What they neglected to do, however, was also to turn off the satellite radio system that ACARS uses. It pings the geosynchronous satellite from time to time, even if it has no traffic, and the satellite is able to gauge the airplane's distance, but not its direction, from the ping timing. That is what those circular arcs on the map are based upon.
From this morning’s presser.
The plane did not take off with any additional fuel, the press conference is told.
Another journalist asks about reports that the pilot’s family moved out of their home in the days before the flight. The police say that is not correct.
They confirmed they took a flight simulator from the pilot’s home.
It is possible that signals received from the plane after it lost contact with ground control could have been sent while the plane was on the ground, so long as it had electrical power, officials add.
That tomnod.com imagery is definitely the wreckage, and I think I even see a life raft and a paddle, even. Not joking.
I know nothing about aviation, so bear with me: Is there any legitimate reason why a pilot would turn off the transponder while a plane is in flight?
Hello cynwoody. Please read post 47 in today’s Sunday Talk Show Thread 16 in the right side border. Post 47 and the following posts should answer your questions.
Sum Ting Wong?
Nothing appeared suspicious there. Or did I miss something?
I can definitely make out the logo on the tail. Surprised at how intact it is.
“Thread 16 in the right side border.”
What is a right side border?
Did they set off the alarms?
“Is there any legitimate reason why a pilot would turn off the transponder while a plane is in flight?”
If it was malfunctioning in some way. It’s always a good thing to be able to power off individual systems because you never know what might crop up.
Look in the breaking news column on the right side of the FreeRepublic Web page.
But, if the expert friend if right, the ACARS wasn't necessarily turned off. It wouldn't have transmitted until something significant happened.
That is interesting. However you would think that by now competent non vested investigators would have accumulated and confirmed pertinent information about these two. Not sure the Malaysians will do an open and thorough investigation. They fear the Chinese. Who do you think was the culprit?
"Hold muh beer and watch THIS !"
"Beam me up, Scotty".
"Set course 3-4-4, mark 2-1, warp 5 - ENGAGE!"
Thanks. Here’s 47 from. Sunday thread
Izzy, almost right. The ACARS sends out engine data reports at liftoff when the nose gear strut extends, at cruise initiation when the pilot pulls back on the throttle ( news media got this right; happened at 1:07), and at gear down. Since the gear never came down the third report was never sent.
Thank you for helping.
Very good questions.
You’re more than welcome.
(Just copy the address at top and change the last numbers to the post you want There are fancier ways but this is quickest and easiest)
I would suspect a whole lot of pilots have simulators.
According to my Chinese wife, who regularly peruses Chinese Web-Sites, the consensus among MOST Chinese, is that the plane was attempting to get to Somalia - a Muslim country, known for Piracy...
They can easily determine which pilot said those words..if a hijacking had taken place by someone ON the plane who had nothing to do with the cockpit they would have said something in code to tell control that a hijacking was taking place. I am still standing by my theory that this plane has landed somewhere, maybe it refueled, or is just sitting there, waiting for things to die down then they will fly it again
Yes, but we won't hear those words until the next public appearance of this aircraft. Especially, if instead of finding it, it finds us.
So you are saying the satellite link is via Iridium (low earth orbit, lots of satellites, in constant motion relative to the ground), not Inmarsat (one satellite, geosynchronous, parked 22,300 miles above a point along the equator in the Indian Ocean)? The diagram with the arcs is supposedly based on the conclusions of Inmarsat engineers.
A term used despite the American understanding of what it means here. It isn't the same thing, there isn't positive control in most areas covered by ICAO. The transponder was secured because the flight was going to turn west into an area that had radar coverage.
The aircraft probably has dual transponders; so if one fails, it would be powered-off, and the pilot would be sure that the other was powered on. Short of that, transponders often have partial capability - you can "squawk altitude" or not, if there is some problem with the message content.
No pilot I know would go all Muhamud Atta because a flight attendant turned him down. They would simply move on to the flight attendant.
True, but if this pilot is the guy, and he has a home simulator, is it not highly likely he practiced something especially interesting on it? Like putting her down at a difficult airport somewhere in the 'stans?
Here are a few reasons:
1. Satellite space segment is expensive.
2. The antennas will not work with the aircraft in unusual attitudes, such as diving straight for the ocean.
3. There are fairly frequent windows of satcom unavailability.
I agree that post is very interesting, I sure hope someone is looking very closely at that point.
The data is from 3/12.
there’s the problem, right there, in a nutshell.
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Don’t know. Do you think they might have or should have?
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