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I sold my business because of Obamacare. ["I can't be responsible for every undercapitalized..."]
yahoo.com ^ | March 13, 2014 | Larry Schuler

Posted on 03/16/2014 1:29:38 PM PDT by grundle

“I sold my business because of Obamacare.”

I opened my restaurant, Schu’s Grill & Bar, in 1990. There’s no question that the new health law has impacted not only my current business but future projects, too, to the point where I sold my restaurant in January and I’m in the final stages of moving on. I won’t be working in a brick-and-mortar business and putting people to work. I’ve chosen to go into consulting for myself and the ACA was one of the reasons, though not the only reason.

During our busy season, we are well over the 50 full-time employee threshold, which meant we had to offer private health insurance under the new law. As a small-business owner, I don’t have a chief financial officer and the paperwork required would have added probably another 20 hours per month to my accounting staff. We didn’t have the dollars to put into those additional labor hours.

It would have actually cost me all the profit I generated from the restaurant. Profit is not a dirty word. It’s important to survive.

Before the ACA, we already offered private insurance to our employees and we paid 50% of their policies, which would have cost us $150 a month per worker. But we hired a lot of young professionals who were 27 or 28 years old and they would opt out of medical insurance because they said they didn’t need it. That’s the irony.

Yes, they extended the deadline for small-business owners to comply with the ACA until 2016. They bought more time, but unless there’s an evolution in the policy, it’s still unacceptable.

Larry Schuler, 50

St. Joseph, Mich.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aca; business; employermandate; obamacare; obamacareanecdotes; obamacarebusinesses
When Hillary Clinton was told that Hillarycare would force small businesses to go bankrupt, she responded by saying:

http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/reiland/s_557486.html#axzz2w9wfTKhi

"I can't be responsible for every undercapitalized entrepreneur in America."

I'm sure she and other supporters of Obamacare have the same contempt for the guy in this article.

The title that I posted here is actually the sub-title from a larger article - I hope the mods are OK with that.

1 posted on 03/16/2014 1:29:38 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle
Undercapitalized? That is the new code word for business government has squeezed dry I guess.
2 posted on 03/16/2014 1:32:56 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: grundle

Larry is related to Win Schuler, who ran a great restaurant “Win Schuler’s” in Marshall, Michigan. Long time successful business.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 1:34:33 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: grundle

I’m not sure that I’m buying that 20 hours per month for his accounting staff represents all of his profit, but no doubt that his costs have gone up and business is still down.

He jumped at the right time. With new rules on non-exempt employees, lots of small businesses and restaurants are going to go belly up. Obama thinks that business owners will just pay the overtime and Democrats will be elected in perpetuity by grateful workers. That won’t happen.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 1:36:39 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: grundle

“Profit is not a dirty word. It’s important to survive.”

Exactly. But don’t expect the typical Maobama voter to understand this basic concept of economic reality as this video illustrates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM


5 posted on 03/16/2014 1:38:44 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

A question for the libs: Just how do you expect an economy to flourish when you punish business activity with taxes, regulations, punitive energy policies, crippling labor policies, and mandated benefits? On top of that, add arbitrary and capricious changes to these policies, just so businesses cannot even make concrete plans. Oh, and lets not forget massive federal debt and an out of control monetary policy.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 1:39:54 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: grundle

“All lies!” - Dingy Harry


7 posted on 03/16/2014 1:46:06 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: fhayek

The trick is they don’t expect an economy to flourish.
They want it to founder with them in charge.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 1:48:23 PM PDT by Texas resident
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

At the link there are two pro-Obamacare examples and two anti-Obamacare examples.

The pro-Obamacare examples are fairly rare and probably less than 3% of Americans can relate to these people.

OTOH. The anti-Obamacare examples are pretty common place. A 30 yo single student who can’t afford the Affordable Care Plans.

And the small business owner who has opted to sell the business. (before it goes under)


9 posted on 03/16/2014 1:53:29 PM PDT by proudpapa (Scott Walker - 2016)
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To: Cboldt

I’m from Battle Creek. Went to that restaurant many times.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 1:57:12 PM PDT by bethelgrad
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To: centurion316

I took it to mean the new healthcare coverage AND the extra 20 hours would take up the entire profit.


11 posted on 03/16/2014 1:59:37 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

You are probably right. Most companies are going to have to reduce their contribution to health care costs. Those that pay it all will begin to pay only a part. Those that pay a part, will shift it all to the employee. Those that offer none, will get nailed with overtime.

Obama, driving people out of business Nationwide.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 2:06:06 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: bethelgrad
My dad was born in Defiance, Ohio. His parents stayed there, and when I was not quite of school age, my mom and dad were living in Fort Wayne. When they wanted to unload me on the grandparents, we'd meet at Win Schuler's. I have vague memories, but clearly recall being told about the time I ate a plate full of pork chops at Schulers. Small kid, big tummy.

Fast forward some 20 or so years, and I'm working at the Eaton plant in Marshall, so got to know Schuler's pretty well. I also worked a short time at the Eaton plant in Battle Creek. Both plants are now gone, I know. I lived in Dexter Lake apartments on East Michigan Ave for a year or two, before moving out to a place on A Drive N, technically Ceresco. Left Michigan in '84. Fond memories all around. Did you ever eat at Emilio's Mexican restaurant? Known to be authentic, the health department would shut him down periodically.

My elementary school years were in Holland, Michigan. Lakeview Elementary (32nd St. and Lugar Road) and EE Fell Jr. High. The Jr. High is condos now, I think. The elementary school is still an elementary school.

13 posted on 03/16/2014 2:08:17 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: grundle

Another example of obamacare doing what it was designed to do: screw things up.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 2:18:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: grundle

Everybody should do that. Let Obama take care of them. That is what I tell the cashiers when they say, “Want to donate your change to charity?”. I reply, “No, let Obama take care of them”.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 2:24:25 PM PDT by sport
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To: grundle

I cut my health insurance premium payments by about two-thirds thanks to Obamacare.

I suspect the only people hurt by Obamacare were those who weren’t paying their fair share with their old policies, whereas I was heavily subsidizing those people under my old policy.

So I love Obamacare.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 2:25:37 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Cboldt

Wow I remember Win Schuler’s from my time in Mich in the 60s and 70s. Great place.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 2:30:00 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Age of Reason
Not paying my "fair share"? What the hell does that mean? I pay $13,000 in premiums and have a $7,000 liability in deductibles. Most years I don't even visit the doctor. I'm pulling the wagon for a ton of people and getting no benefit from it. It's a damn disaster.
18 posted on 03/16/2014 2:50:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Cboldt

I went to school with Larry, he was a grade behind me.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 2:50:44 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cboldt

I wondered if it was the same Schuler family.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 2:53:57 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Age of Reason

I guess that Obama’s goal for this country is right up your alley then, comrade.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 2:54:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: grundle

This from a bit...er...witch that has never earned an honest dollar in her life, like her “husband” and soetoro.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 2:56:43 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Cboldt

I know all those places. I was born/raised in Marshall, and my little league team was “Eaton Yale & Towne.”

My wife and I were up there a few years ago, and we stopped by this slick new “Bistro” some people opened. They wouldn’t let us smoke, even in the crappy alley seating we had (the place used to be “Seaman’s Sporting Goods”). We said, “Well, FU” and went to Schulers. They treated us like royalty, let us smoke, and the food was as great as I remembered as a kid. I bought a couple of Yards as souvenirs, along with some highball glasses and polo shirts. A wonderful place I hit every time I’m in town. Right after I clean out the nutrolls at Louie’s Bakery (which is also still there, sans Louie who passed a few years ago).


23 posted on 03/16/2014 3:01:32 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Age of Reason

First first-hand case I’ve heard of that one. If you get insurance through the exchange, do you know how much the policy is or is not subsidized? I am not trying to be contrarian; I honestly am curious. I bought my new replacement policy through a private broker.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 3:03:00 PM PDT by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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To: Myrddin
I'm pulling the wagon for a ton of people and getting no benefit from it.

Qitcherbitchin and work harder. (Do I HAVE to /S)

:^)

25 posted on 03/16/2014 3:04:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Darren McCarty

It certainly is. I asked about Larry when I was last at the Win Schuler’s restaurant in Marshall, and they told me about his place in St. Joe. It makes me sad that Obastard put him out of business.


26 posted on 03/16/2014 3:06:45 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cboldt
My dad was born in Defiance, Ohio. His parents stayed there, and when I was not quite of school age, my mom and dad were living in Fort Wayne. When they wanted to unload me on the grandparents, we'd meet at Win Schuler's. I have vague memories, but clearly recall being told about the time I ate a plate full of pork chops at Schulers. Small kid, big tummy.

it's fun to reminisce isn't it??...great memories bring warm feelings, like everything is alright!!!!!

27 posted on 03/16/2014 3:07:34 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Age of Reason
I cut my health insurance premium payments by about two-thirds thanks to Obamacare. I suspect the only people hurt by Obamacare were those who weren’t paying their fair share with their old policies, whereas I was heavily subsidizing those people under my old policy. So I love Obamacare.

you have a vivid imagination!

28 posted on 03/16/2014 3:08:58 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: terycarl
Belly full of pork chops, you betcha everything was alright! ;)

Then came this Obama joker. :(

29 posted on 03/16/2014 3:09:53 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cyber Liberty
I went to school with Larry, he was a grade behind me.

how come noone ever says "WOW, I went to school with Obama, he was in my class and I shared a lot of classroom discussion with him"?????????

30 posted on 03/16/2014 3:11:49 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Age of Reason

Hmmmm.....

You cut your health insurance premium payments by about two-thirds, thanks to 0Care? Really? Which plan?
What about your new deductibles?

You suspect the only people hurt by Obamacare were those who weren’t paying their fair share with their old policies....and, you love 0bamaCare?

Wake up and read/watch the d@&% news....there are MILLIONS hurt by 0DeathCare who WERE paying their “fair share”.

I believe you’re the ONLY FR poster (that I know of) who has claimed to love 0DeathCare.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 3:19:48 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Age of Reason

If you (or anyone) buy insurance, then you subsidize and/or are subsidized. But then, one has to me slightly less uninformed to know that.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 3:20:43 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: terycarl

I’ll take “Never Happened” for $200.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 3:20:45 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: terycarl

Oh, that’s easy: Larry really exists and didn’t have to lie about his history or name to get where he is today.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 3:21:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: terycarl; Age of Reason
you have a vivid imagination!

Or a very substantial subsidy paid for by others.

35 posted on 03/16/2014 3:27:06 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Age of Reason

I won’t be seeing you in my office, so I just wanted to wish you good luck being treated by paraprofessionals.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 3:57:44 PM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: fhayek

Libs are idiots. And it appears they outnumber us.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 4:02:05 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Cboldt

Nevermind. Just small town bullcarp. Won’t bother you again with the superfluous trivia.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 4:33:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: ReformationFan

Wow - those idiots want to make the whole country like Detroit!


39 posted on 03/16/2014 4:42:59 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Age of Reason

How old are you? Where do you live? You claimed on another thread that you were saving $1000 a month with Obamacare, which means you were paying about $1500/mo. So you obviously have either a PEC or you’re referring to a family plan. Are you being subsidized now?


40 posted on 03/16/2014 4:51:22 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: centurion316

“With new rules on non-exempt employees, lots of small businesses and restaurants are going to go belly up. Obama thinks that business owners will just pay the overtime and Democrats will be elected in perpetuity by grateful workers. That won’t happen.”

In my area so many businesses (especially restaurants) employ illegals as their workforce; I wonder if they’ll see any impact at all from ObamaCare. To combat the high taxes and onerous regulations, a large part of our economy is underground; I guess ObamaCare might spread that trend...


41 posted on 03/17/2014 2:38:09 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Cyber Liberty
-- Won't bother you again with the superfluous trivia. --

No bother to me, but I suspect the semi-personal chit chat is annoying to some readers ;)

42 posted on 03/17/2014 2:56:17 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Age of Reason

Watch out, those Republicans will take away your health care and make you eat dog food to survive. Make sure you vote the right way now.

(/sarcasm off) maybe.


43 posted on 03/17/2014 3:11:00 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Cboldt

There appeared to be more than a couple of us from there, as it turns out.....

:^)


44 posted on 03/17/2014 8:30:46 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Prince of Space

That was for insuring just me, not a family, in New York City.


45 posted on 04/02/2014 3:17:32 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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