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U.S. scrap copper trade fears defaults from China
Reuters ^ | Mar 11, 2014 | JOSEPHINE MASON

Posted on 03/16/2014 3:36:31 PM PDT by Sawdring

Reuters) - At least one U.S. scrap copper trader has suffered "large" losses after a buyer in China defaulted on a deal in the past week, one of the first signs that sinking prices and tightening credit are taking a toll on the physical market.

The customer walked away from a deal that had been guaranteed by a letter of credit, said a market participant who was familiar with the matter, but withheld the identity of the companies involved to protect business relationships. China is the world's biggest copper consumer.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: china; copper; us
It will be interesting to note what happens in the copper market this week.
1 posted on 03/16/2014 3:36:31 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

Copper wire theft is endemic in Fresno.


2 posted on 03/16/2014 3:39:24 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Sawdring

Drug addicts who have depended upon copper thefts to support their habits will be devastated.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 3:39:52 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Sawdring

an unseemly amount of China’s credit markets are loans collateralized by warehoused copper. No one really seems quite comfortable with how good the recordkeeping is, either, meaning there is a risk that the same lot of copper may be collateral on many different transactions.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 3:40:06 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Sawdring

5 posted on 03/16/2014 3:47:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Sawdring

Oh well, I guess we will reload brass rather than sell it.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 3:59:05 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and is not afraid of the unlawful.)
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To: babble-on
No one really seems quite comfortable with how good the recordkeeping is, either, meaning there is a risk that the same lot of copper may be collateral on many different transactions.

You mean it may have been "re-hypothecated," like some suspect the gold in US hands, and in JP Morgan's vaults may have been?

7 posted on 03/16/2014 4:06:18 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: babble-on

As opposed to those collateralized with Obama promises?


8 posted on 03/16/2014 4:08:23 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Well, the Congress passes the budgets, and they’re constitutionally authorized to do so, which means that we the people are very much on the hook for those debts, which as a lender to the US Gov’t I am happier with than I would be with some copper that may or may not be in a warehouse somewhere in China. So, yes.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 4:17:53 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: Sawdring

If the deal was “guaranteed by a letter of credit”, how did the trader take a large loss?


10 posted on 03/16/2014 4:27:18 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: mylife

Maybe we’ll start to see some .22 lr??


11 posted on 03/16/2014 4:36:06 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: babble-on

Nobody but an idiot will sell to the Red Chinese on credit. Letters of Credit on a mutually trusted bank (Hong Kong or Singapore) is the way to go if you want to deal direct.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 5:17:50 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: glorgau

because the letter is likely worth less than a letter form the GOPe condemning something.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 5:31:41 PM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: babble-on

The Constitution is just a bunch of promises to be waved by our ‘expert’ President. It doesn’t mean what it once meant. Ignoring it to the point of doing serious damage to US and our friends is his hobby. He’d love to see us default. If pushed, I’d cite the end of the 14th and declare him a de facto “insurrection or rebellion against the United States.” Declare HIS debt invalid; honor the rest of the debt, which should then be manageable.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 11:58:24 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

one word: Prozac


15 posted on 03/17/2014 5:34:16 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on
one word: Prozac

Name one product boosted by the Obama economy?

16 posted on 03/17/2014 8:22:32 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

well-played!


17 posted on 03/17/2014 8:44:48 AM PDT by babble-on
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