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Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370
The Times of Israel ^ | 16MAR2014 | Debra Kamin

Posted on 03/16/2014 3:43:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

A former security chief for El Al believes that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 points directly to Iran.

Isaac Yeffet, who served as head of global security for Israel’s national carrier in the 1980s and now works as an aviation security consultant in New Jersey, said investigators were correct in honing in on the two fake-passport carrying Iranian passengers on the doomed flight, and they have wasted valuable time by exploring other leads.

“What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved,” he said. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

In the immediate aftermath of the aircraft’s disappearance, which occurred last week during a standard night flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, Malaysian officials and the media were fixated on the story of two Iranians who had made it onto the plane with stolen passports. As the days wore on and the investigation uncovered new and confusing details, with officials admitting that the plane could have traveled for as long as seven hours without radio contact, and that its potential location could be anywhere from northern Kyrgyzstan to the southern Indian ocean, attention has shifted to the pilots and to far-flung conspiracy theories. This is a misstep, said Yeffet, and one that would not have happened in Israel.

“This would never have happened on an Israeli plane,” says Yeffet. “An El Al aircraft was hijacked for the first and last time in 1968. Since then, there has not been a single flight where security did not check every single name.”

However, it would have taken more than just a pair of Iranians with forged documents, Yeffet said, to pull off such an astonishing crime. “I can’t believe for a second that if these people planned to hijack the aircraft, it was just them,” he said. But based upon the tried-and-true Israeli intelligence strategy of profiling, the pilots, he said, are unlikely suspects.

“We are talking about a captain who is 53 years old, who has worked for Malaysia Airlines for 30 years, and suddenly he became a terrorist? He wanted to commit suicide? If he committed suicide, where is the debris?”

Adding that the captain in question, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was known to be happily married and comfortably well-off, Yeffet said the profile simply does not fit. “From the United States to China to Japan, everybody is searching for this aircraft or piece of it. And there is no sign. So in my opinion, the aircraft was hijacked. And it was an excellent plan from the terrorists, to land in a place where they can hide the plane and no one can find it.”

Lt. Col. (Res) Eran Ramot, an IDF fighter pilot and the head of aviation research at Israel’s Fisher Institute for Air and Space Strategic Studies, however, drew other conclusions.

“It would be very complicated [for someone other than the pilot to have flown the plane],” Ramot said, based on the stunning revelations that the flight not only made a total U-turn from its planned route but also dipped in between radar points for hours and had all of its tracking systems manually turned off. “It takes somebody that knows how to operate an airplane like this.”

Like Yeffet, Ramot believes the plane was being intentionally flown to a secret location, and he went as far as to say he is holding out hope that the 239 passengers and crew who were on board are still alive.

“We don’t know any better yet,” he said. “One of my theories is that the airplane landed in Bangladesh. It could reach there, it’s very close to Afghanistan. It could have landed on airstrip there, and everybody on board is still alive. It could be done.”

Asked what would have happened if the plane – which went undetected for hours as it blipped across Malaysian radars – had entered Israeli airspace, Ramot said, “It would not go unnoticed, that’s for sure. Action would have been carried out, the least of which would have been an interception to escort it.”

That doesn’t mean that the Malaysian military wasn’t paying attention, he added. It’s simply that in Israel, the margin for taking chances is significantly reduced.

“It’s a matter of atmosphere,” he said. “Here, every blip on the screen is suspicious because that’s the way we live. That’s our daily program. I can’t imagine they pay as much attention, but if a blip runs wide or runs strange, I would expect them to notice.”

Pini Schiff, one of Israel’s top aviation security experts, said that if there is any comfort that Israelis can take from the story of MH 370, which is proving to be one of the most confounding aviation disasters of all time, it is that it could never happen to a plane flying out of Ben-Gurion International Airport.

“It simply wouldn’t happen at Ben Gurion,” he said. “The level of security at Ben Gurion and on all El Al planes is so high, there is nothing more they could do… Nations are not spending billions of dollars the way the Israeli government is protecting Israeli aviation, because the threat against Israeli aviation is so high. What we are doing in Ben Gurion is an operation that is not being done in any other airport in the world. Not in the United States, not in Britain, not in Germany, not anywhere.”

Like his colleagues, Schiff said that his guess is as good as anyone’s as to the fate of MH 370, but he also believes there’s a good possibility that it has been brought down, intact, on a hidden runway in some far-flung corner of the world.

“It will be found. It may take a month or a year, but eventually, it will be found,” he said. “This aircraft didn’t vanish. It exists somewhere in the world, and it will be found, probably in one piece.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iranophobia; malaysia; malaysiaair; mh370; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/16/2014 3:43:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

This is what I think happened. Landed and probably destined to be delivered to Iran, who will repaint the American plane to look like an American air liner to carry a bomb or EMP right into our country.


2 posted on 03/16/2014 3:51:38 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan

I’m thinking it will carry an Iranian or Paki nuke. Israel estimates that Iran now has one or two nukes. It might be more now.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 3:54:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

These two fake passport holders would’ve NEVER been allowed to fly El Al.


4 posted on 03/16/2014 3:57:39 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
What we are doing in Ben Gurion is an operation that is not being done in any other airport in the world. Not in the United States, not in Britain, not in Germany, not anywhere.”

It is not done in America, because of, dare I say it? PC. The Israelis profile people. PC will not allow us to do that. Babies and 90 year old grand mothers get searched before muzzies do.

5 posted on 03/16/2014 3:58:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

My husband figures the missing plane will find us first.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 3:59:36 PM PDT by dforest
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To: WVNan

I think it was Iran as well. But, I think it is to be a delivery system for a nuke into Isreal. Too difficult to get refueled to get to USA.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 4:02:45 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Liberals - wrong is right, down is up, gulags are utopia.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

A few years ago I flew from Israel directly to Egypt, which I will never attempt again. In the time I spent in the Israel airport before departure, and the time it took to clear Egyptian customs after coming from Israel, I could have flown to Rome, then on to Egypt on a separate ticket - which is what I have done since then. The travel agency didn’t like to book it like that, but when I told them they could come with next time, they relented. But I will say - I never felt safer.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 4:02:46 PM PDT by impactplayer
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To: KC_Lion; GeronL

Ping.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 4:03:03 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: MtnClimber

What if they find a way to “replace” a scheduled flight of another plane just like it?


10 posted on 03/16/2014 4:06:08 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Israel has the best security in the world..you literally get inspected from top to bottom before your even allowed on the plane..and for the slightest second they find you suspicious, they take you to a room and interrogate you. That is why my family only trusts El Al, they don’t trust any other airline


11 posted on 03/16/2014 4:14:23 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The passengers were killed immediately.

That's why it went up to 45,000 feet.

The cabin was depressurized when the captain said 'good night' and turned out the lights. All on board lost consciousness and when he brought it up to 45,000 feet, they all died within minutes.

That is why their cellphones continued to ring in their pockets and purses when relatives called. They were all dead. There would be no resistance nor counterattack.

They wanted that plane - that was the prize.

They have it as it did not go into the water, but flew for 7 hours. It is now in Pakistan being fitted for its final mission.

12 posted on 03/16/2014 4:16:02 PM PDT by Fear The People (Fear The People = Liberty)
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To: WVNan

There has been too much rhetoric on this tragedy to even sort out anything. I feel PPL should now just wait for the real facts! The craft when found will give up the real facts!


13 posted on 03/16/2014 4:17:28 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: WVNan

Still complicated. They hate the Jews slightly more than us. They could use a ship with a nuke that looks like it is smuggling illegal immigrants and get right into any port in the USA.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 4:18:30 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Liberals - wrong is right, down is up, gulags are utopia.)
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To: MtnClimber

Yes but. Easy to adapt to carry extra fuel. Probable plan a one way trip anyway. And USA is the islamonazis’ number one declared target With two of their top target cities on the west coast easy to reach from the pacific. And their Great Satan has another attractive target sitting out in the middle of the ocean along their primary attack flight path, just in case they decide to cut it short for any reason. (Anyone remember ww-2?). I’m not at all comfortable USA is free of danger. When A raving nut shouts he will kill you. And when he keeps doing it over and over again. It can pay to pay attention.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 4:22:37 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("H)
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To: WVNan

If anyone wanted to steal a plane then why not steal a FedEx or UPS cargo plane? They are probably a lot easier to steal than a commercial airliner and no passengers to deal with.
This whole thing is rather Illogical and the conspiracy theories way off the mark.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 4:22:50 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: WVNan

“..........delivered to Iran, who will repaint the American plane to look like an American air liner to carry a bomb or EMP right into our country.”

Obamatollah’s in a hurry to EMP us, before Arpaio blows his cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=200kyOZw5nU


17 posted on 03/16/2014 4:24:19 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: LyinLibs

18 posted on 03/16/2014 4:24:40 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: MtnClimber
I think it was Iran as well. But, I think it is to be a delivery system for a nuke into Israel. Too difficult to get refueled to get to USA.

I'll go further.

I think it's Iran - AND the reason for the 'terrorist illusion' is to stop retaliation.

If Israel gets nuked - and no country is behind it that can be identified... Who do we go after? Million of innocent people die in Israel and we respond by having Obama going through a deck of cards picking who to assassinate?

Lots of strategy went into this - for all we know both pilots were killed after the plane was landed...

19 posted on 03/16/2014 4:25:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: WVNan

I doubt it due to practicality. This plane seizure raised everyone’s awareness and scrutiny. It has mobilized dozens of nations, thousands of troops and scores of ships, planes and satellites to look for it. If spotted now, it will be immediately intercepted by a swarm of jets and shot down if it refuses any order.

It would be much easier to quietly smuggle a weapon across one of our borders, thru a port in a shipping container or in a common cargo plane that nobody finds suspicious or cares about.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 4:27:08 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

JMO but two IRANIANS with stolen passports, left from a country with little security because they are all Muzzies. The plane’s captain photoed wearing a political slogan shirt AND his family moved out (where to) from their home... shades of 911. How could there be any state planning involved? My axx.

Living near where Atta the Axx lived, we were told by the super market employees the Muzzies family moved out the week before. DUH!!!!


21 posted on 03/16/2014 4:27:25 PM PDT by Tuketu (The Dim Platform is splinters bound by crazy glue., The Tea Party is the solvent)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’m gonna need a bigger boat, a much bigger boat


22 posted on 03/16/2014 4:30:04 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Wait, I thought we ruled these two out because their mother said they were good boys and only looking for asylum?


23 posted on 03/16/2014 4:31:44 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: GOPJ

I agree that it is done to be very public and to look like it is terrorists and not state sponsored.

The EMP theories are off. The big EMP coverage is from exoatmospheric (space) events. Inside the atmosphere will only cause localized EMP.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 4:32:13 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Liberals - wrong is right, down is up, gulags are utopia.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Makes no sense. Why when Iran is getting everything it wants from the international community would it do such a thing?

My money is on the plane being at the bottom of the ocean.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 4:33:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

“These two fake passport holders would’ve NEVER been allowed to fly El Al.”

Not FAKE, stolen passports. Listed on Interpol as stolen, but the muzzies in malaise-zha did not check.


26 posted on 03/16/2014 4:38:13 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: faithhopecharity

“Anyone remember WW2?”

I can’t help but think “What if Hussein is having Iran use the 777 to nuke the Hawaii Health Dept, to ‘destroy’ his (pretend) records?”


27 posted on 03/16/2014 4:39:48 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Tuketu

“.....we were told by the super market employees the Muzzies family moved out the week before.”

Note to self: When muzzies move out, head to the hills for 30 days.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 4:41:04 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Well .. the pilot might seem unlikely; however, his wife and children moved the day before the flight took off.

That could indicate the family knew the plan for the aircraft .. so why aren’t they looking for the family ..??


29 posted on 03/16/2014 4:41:50 PM PDT by The Final Harvest (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I have a good friend who makes his living developing scenarios to represent our real and potential adversaries. He is diabolically smart and refuses to be constrained by the strategic planners and intelligence analysts who regularly poo poo his products.

If he were to conjure up a delivery system for a third world nuke, he would never suggest a ballistic or cruise missile as you might find in Iran, Pakistan or North Korea. This would be the perfect vehicle for those countries. Squawking some false code, it would look like an airliners, appear to be an airliner electronically and the civilized world would have to make a decision on whether to shoot it down or not.

Lot’s of people are very nervous tonight. Of course, we have no idea if this is what is happening, but as a potential capability for our adversaries, it’s a cause for concern. There are ways to mitigate this threat, of course, but they are expensive and will take time to implement.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 4:44:17 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Iran has a couple of nukes and, at least until now, no way to deliver one.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 4:46:30 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Bandar-e-Jask

You heard it here first


32 posted on 03/16/2014 4:46:44 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

My father, who is Puerto Rican with very Arab facial features (ancestors came from Southern Spain — the whole Moors vs. Christians thing) had a really hard time with El Al security when he was flying from JFK to Tel Aviv with his wife (my stepmom) to visit her son, who had married an Israeli woman in the mid-1990s and they moved to Tel Aviv to be closer to her family.

Dad was asked what he did for a living. He said “criminal attorney in San Juan”. El Al guy said: “That’s not true”. Dad showed him his business card and other lawyer-related ID. El Al guy said: “These are fake”. They asked him about a million questions, over & over, by himself and with my stepmom, and then they allowed him to board. Questioning lasted about 1 1/2 hours! My stepmom was not asked one single question — only my dad. It was unbelievable! And my Dad loved the experience because he felt safe on that plane ride to Israel.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 4:51:23 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: FunkyZero

I put a lot more stock in the opinion of a former ElAl security official than any talking head on TV.

What a freightening scenario.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 4:53:19 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD
Among other things the Israelis use a computer screen at the check in desk with questions on it in Arabic or the language of the aspiring passenger. The passenger is asked to look at the screen. He doesn't have to read aloud or answer the questions. A camera/sensor records changes in the pupils of his eyes. If he reads, "are you planning to hijack the airplane?" and his intention is just that then his pupils will change. There are several such questions. Security personnel will attend to him immediately. They say it is 100%.
The USA refuses to adopt that system because it would remove the excuse for the existence of the kenyan praetorian guard/KGB that is the TSA. It is also a sort of profiling that discriminates against Moslems.
35 posted on 03/16/2014 4:53:50 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: WVNan

You worry too much.

Islam is a ROP and all this is perpetrated by Muslims so all will be hummus and tabouleh and the outcome will be 72 virgins for each believer.

You think I’m crazy? If I am, then why are we still importing muzzies like they’re a blessing on this country?


36 posted on 03/16/2014 4:53:58 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: arthurus

Very interesting!


37 posted on 03/16/2014 4:55:49 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: centurion316

“This would be the perfect vehicle for those countries. Squawking some false code, it would look like an airliners, appear to be an airliner electronically and the civilized world would have to make a decision on whether to shoot it down or not.”

That’s what I have been say all along.

I’m sure all of the US intel agencies have been putting in lots of overtime trying to get a handle on this.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 4:56:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: fso301

“My money is on the plane being at the bottom of the ocean.”

With absolutely no evidence of such.


39 posted on 03/16/2014 4:56:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Israel has been studying satellite photographs of Iran for decades. When a new Iranian nuclear site appears, Israel’s first-class intelligence agencies can pick it out as quickly as an expert bird watcher can detect a new species of fowl in its area.

So, if a giant Malaysian aircraft with 239 passengers aboard has landed in Iran, the Israelis would know about it by now. But why should they share their knowledge with the world until they’ve checked the whole thing out for themselves? In the meantime, Israeli airline experts like the ones quoted in this article can deliver wonderful ads for the safety and superiority of El Al.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 4:57:06 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: WVNan

Why do they need this plane to do that mission?
Don’t all the arab airlines have dozens of them?

Emirates
Etihad
etc


41 posted on 03/16/2014 4:58:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved,” he said. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

Lacking evidence to the contrary this is the most likely scenario.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 4:58:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
With absolutely no evidence of such.

Yep. If the pilot belly landed, it would settle to the bottom with little to no evidence.

43 posted on 03/16/2014 4:59:29 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Fear The People

Also, this flight was an overnight red eye flight to Bejing, so most of the passengers were probably asleep or dozing already.

Less resistance so they won’t fight back like flight 93.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 4:59:42 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Why would Iran go to this trouble to steal a plane when they have planes?

I wonder what Israel is doing to find out where this plane is - they’re, if anyone, the likely target if it’s going to be used to drop a bomb.


45 posted on 03/16/2014 5:02:21 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: CyberAnt

They might not have known but just followed his orders to them. He could have told them any sort of story that would impress upon them the absolute need to get out of Dodge.


46 posted on 03/16/2014 5:02:50 PM PDT by xp38
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To: impactplayer

I found flying in and out of Cairo to be time consuming and difficult. Very high security. And Israel more so? That’s impressive.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 5:03:05 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Fear The People

Sounds very plausible and well thought out.


48 posted on 03/16/2014 5:03:16 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (WWP and Paralyed Veterans Assoc. doing the work the U.S. Veterans Administration won't do!)
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To: MtnClimber

What does a state gain by being involved? This is a terrorist group. Iran does not need this plane to do evil.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 5:05:39 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: CyberAnt

Why would the Malaysian government send the US looking east instead of west when it knew that it went west after the transponder was turned off? Why were the Malaysian military radars not monitoring air traffic like they were supposed to?
Why did the Malaysian government put guards at the pilot’s and co-pilot’s residence and not search them until it was pretty well clear that they were most likely in on it?

And now some Greek freighter says they found debris and luggage floating in the Malacca Straights after it had been thoroughly searched? This is the world’s most busily trafficked area by ships from all over the world including pirates and no one saw the aircraft fall into the sea or find any wreckage themselves. But that report by the Greeks has now been nixed. There wasn’t any debris.

But turning back to the Malaysians...

Why isn’t the Malaysian government searching for the family of the pilot? Good question.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 5:10:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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