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No Way Zaharie Will Sabotage Flight, Say Colleagues
Malaysia Star ^ | Monday March 17, 2014

Posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Fellow pilots in Malaysia Airlines have come out in defence of Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah as the probe into the disappearance of MH370 refocuses on the crew and passengers.

The pilots who had worked with the veteran colleague over the years said they did not believe that he was capable of sabotaging his own flight.

“He is such a kind-hearted person and would not have been able to think of anything like this,” said a close friend of Zaharie.

“Zaharie is always smiling and ready with a joke,” said another pilot who has flown alongside Zaharie previously. “He won’t do something like this.”

On reports in several blogs and Facebook pages that Zaharie had been introduced by a fellow pilot to a religious teacher named Syeikhul Hadith Maulana Abd Hamid at Madrasah Miftahul Ulum, a former colleague said this was not true.

According to one of the blogs, the pilot had taken part in tabligh (Islamic missionary) activities and had expressed his wish to contribute to the development of Islamic schools.

Zaharie’s Facebook page, which he last updated on Jan 3, gave no indication of him harbouring any extremist views. Many of his postings reflected his political beliefs, which are in support of Pakatan Rakyat and critical of Barisan Nasional, while others highlighted his hobbies, including flying and upgrading his flight simulator, cooking, and home improvement projects.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; mh370; waronterror

1 posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Why did the pilot’s family move out of their home the day before the flight?


2 posted on 03/16/2014 6:58:51 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: nickcarraway

The mdm still trying to white wash the ROP


3 posted on 03/16/2014 7:00:13 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: nickcarraway

Maybe the pilot unexpectedly experienced SJS?


4 posted on 03/16/2014 7:00:21 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Nifster

If he was a good Muzzie he was down for the jihad.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 7:01:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: nickcarraway

I think there is too much talk about the captain and not enough about the copilot.

He is young, without the track record of the captain and no one seems to know that much about him.


6 posted on 03/16/2014 7:02:37 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

Agree, the copilot seems less stable than the pilot. Hope all will be revealed soon so we don’t drive ourselves around the bend speculating.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 7:05:17 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Is this misinformation? A Chinese couple,named Wong, was having a baby and as the black baby emerged from the mother,the nurse asked “and what will you name this baby”? The Father said “SUM TIN WONG”
We have “SUM TIN WONG” with this obvious coverup and I don’t mean just a little bit.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 7:11:36 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: old curmudgeon

My Theory 1:
The plane supposedly went up to 45000 feet, back down to 25000 and then up and down according to radar reports. Maybe a passenger used a small explosive to break the flight deck door open and the pilots pulled up to cause the intruder to ‘fall’ to the back of the plane. There were reports of a shoe bomb plot to bust open the flight deck door...

Theory 2: Pilot(s) shut off the transponders, maintained high altitude and depressurized cabin. Passengers don their masks and die after 15 minutes because passenger O2 only lasts that long. Pilot masks last for about 1.5 hours so they wait 20 minutes and go down below 10000 feet and land the plane somewhere. A pilot friend told me about how a pilot could remove the problem of passengers attacking.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 7:12:05 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: SADMILLIE

It is all so very strange. I don’t know what to think.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 7:12:20 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: nickcarraway

FWIW, Don Lemmon (CNN) is asking a guest about a possible supernatural event which made the plane disappear...


11 posted on 03/16/2014 7:13:09 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

Didn’t David Copperfield once make a plane disappear, where has he been lately?


12 posted on 03/16/2014 7:14:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PghBaldy
FWIW, Don Lemmon (CNN) is asking a guest about a possible supernatural event which made the plane disappear...

A supernatural event would be a CNN reporter asking an intelligent question.

13 posted on 03/16/2014 7:17:35 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: bigtoona
Maybe a passenger used a small explosive to break the flight deck door open and the pilots pulled up to cause the intruder to ‘fall’ to the back of the plane. There were reports of a shoe bomb plot to bust open the flight deck door...

Why go through all that trouble? Just put on a blond wig and some lipstick, the copilot would let you sit in his lap.

14 posted on 03/16/2014 7:18:18 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Its not only “strange” it is impossible. We know what happened.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 7:18:35 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: zipper

As plausible a theory as all the rest! And that’s our big problem.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 7:19:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: bigtoona

Find out how it is known for a sure thing that the aircraft went to 45,000 and then down to 25,000.

With the transponder turned off, there is no way to positively determine that.

At least, not when I flew. The military may have a means developed since I quit but I can not find any indication that it has.

As for going to 45,000 to kill passengers, a theory posted by the uninformed.

25,000 for a short time will do the job.

The aircraft was a 35,000. Turning off the pressurization and dumping the pressure would put them out in 3 seconds and death would come very soon after.

If there were wild altitude excursions, it would more than likely be due to a fight in the cockpit, probably between the captain and the copilot.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 7:21:59 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Veto!

CNN already has the somber music cued up, so I think this whole thing is reaching “crazy-land” status.

I doubt we will find this plane until it flies towards some medium sized city in the Middle East.

Remember, the jihadis hate India and Jordan too.


18 posted on 03/16/2014 7:25:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: old curmudgeon

“Find out how it is known for a sure thing that the aircraft went to 45,000 and then down to 25,000.”

There is no way to know for sure. Pilots have repeatedly said that information involved at this point cannot be that accurate.

But people are latching on to that info as if it really happened.


19 posted on 03/16/2014 7:27:51 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ilovesarah2012

Why did the pilot’s family move out of their home the day before the flight?
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That’s another question that hasn’t yet been answered.

I did read a couple of days ago that he had two houses, so perhaps they were just going to stay in the other house while he was flying on possibly several different routes over a period of many days.

Another question is: What was the schedule of various routes over what period of time on this “shift” for the pilots? ....US pilots on international flights may be away from home for a week or two at a time, as they are limited in flying time and must take down time between flights.


20 posted on 03/16/2014 7:28:37 PM PDT by octex
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To: nickcarraway

Another case of SJS.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 7:30:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

Authorities are following up on reports that the 777 may have refueled in-flight thereby extending the range of the aircraft. A witness on the ground swears he saw an odd looking aircraft extending a hose to a 777. The aircraft fueling the jet liner had a tail number that read NCC-1701.

Another lead suggests the crew may have run short on pretzels and made a quick stop at Wal-Mart...actually landing in the parking lot... to stock up on the crunchy snack.

Sources close to the investigation are not commenting but did say they are interviewing Shaniqua, the Wal-Mart cashier working the Express Lane (20 items or less) where the 777 crew member supposedly checked out.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 7:30:09 PM PDT by moovova
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To: ilovesarah2012

“It is all so very strange. I don’t know what to think.”

Neither do most of the “experts” that have been interviewed ad nauseam for the past week.

.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 7:35:33 PM PDT by Mears
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To: bigtoona
I recently read that a data system was shut down BEFORE the pilot last communicated with ATC. The pilot did not report any trouble. I also believe that these communication systems could be turned off by switching a breaker in an electrical bay beneath the cockpit, accessible through the cockpit floor.

I am wondering if it is possible that someone could have been hiding in that bay without the pilots knowing about it. Assuming the pilots weren't involved, of course.

24 posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:21 PM PDT by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: old curmudgeon
If there were wild altitude excursions, it would more than likely be due to a fight in the cockpit, probably between the captain and the copilot.

Or between the crew and the jihadist(s) that just breached the door.

I agree, 45k is just stupid -- 1900 feet above the service ceiling. The speed window between mach buffet and stall is -- approximately -- ZERO. And it wouldn't raise the cabin much at all. You'd have to depressurize to do that, and you could do that at the altitude they were cruising.

25 posted on 03/16/2014 7:40:27 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: nickcarraway

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-is-using-witch-doctors-to-find-missing-plane/

Malaysia is using witch doctors to find missing plane


26 posted on 03/16/2014 7:45:50 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: jennychase
Malaysia is using witch doctors to find missing plane

And they said "Oo ee oo ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang"

27 posted on 03/16/2014 7:46:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: zipper

“I agree, 45k is just stupid — 1900 feet above the service ceiling.”

Yeah, I remember reading that someone involved in analyzing that radar info didn’t put too much into it citing the radar system it was taken from being older and less accurate than others.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 7:50:58 PM PDT by FAA
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To: zipper

The reason I believe that there was no terrorist breaching the door is that the airplane was flown precisely as an airline pilot familiar with the area and the route would have flown it.

At least, that is according to the reports I have read which I confess may be as misinformed as some of the other stuff.

A wild gun slinger would have been all over the place and crashed within some distance that would have resulted in the aircraft being found by now.

There may be a jehadist with an ATR, current in the 777 and familiar with that area, but for some reason I doubt it.

If the flight were highjacked by someone with a basic knowledge of the aircraft, like the 911 terrorists, I suspect they would have put their destination in the GPS or whatever navigation system available, and flown a direct route to the destination.

Also don’t forget that the person who ended up in control knew how to disable systems, and I doubt that would be known by anyone other than a real pro who took his job seriously. Certainly not by anyone who had spent only a few hours in a simulator.

I have heard nothing about the cargo other than the Malaysians have said it was not explosive.

I wonder if it contained a gold shipment enroute to China.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 7:55:14 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: PghBaldy
Wow, one of the ULB beacon company execs just wasted a couple of minutes explaining to clueless Don Lemmon that their UNDERWATER Locater Beacon does not work on land (Lemmon thought it might have more that 2 miles range if the beacon were on land). He said 'no, it's an underwater locater beacon'.

Classic.

30 posted on 03/16/2014 7:56:08 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

I have seen this before and it confuses me.

When I flew, our aircraft had emergency locater beacons that were activated by G forces. Water or not had nothing to do with it.

Am I to assume that unless an airline class aircraft crashes in water that its crash location is irrelevant?

My point is that there must also be a beacon that will activate from G forces in a crash other than one that ditched.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 8:01:56 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I know, I can dig through the part 121 regs and find out, but that would glaze my eyes over and put me into a hypnotic sleep.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 8:05:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon
Yes, I read some reports that had the airplane flying over known common airway waypoints. It seems like some clueless jihadist wouldn't do that. Unless he was trying to cloak their flight path to look more like a normal routing, to avoid suspicion. But at the same time reports mostly say they varied in altitude from 45k (initially) to as low as 23k. That doesn't fit a normal profile either.

Plus changing altitude so much doesn't make fuel sense -- all the range numbers would go way down. If they had a plan they'd stay at a constant altitude, up high, to save fuel. Even climbing higher as they burned it off. And go direct, as you said, unless the waypoints were to avoid known areas of military (primary) radar, or, as I mentioned, to more readily appear as normal traffic

Whoever did it had at least some expertise, not necessarily with 777s, or had the cooperation of one or more of the pilots, whether they were in cahoots or under duress.

33 posted on 03/16/2014 8:07:32 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SADMILLIE

Mr. & Mrs. Wong were expecting a baby. It was born with blond hair & blue eyes.

Mr. Wong said, “Two Wongs don’t make a white.”

Mrs. Wong replied, “It was purely Occidental.”

Anyway, nothing beats Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo, Bang Ding Au, etc.


34 posted on 03/16/2014 8:07:44 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: old curmudgeon
My point is that there must also be a beacon that will activate from G forces in a crash other than one that ditched.

Yes, the ELT is activated in a high-g crash. Water or not. It's a different emergency beacon.

35 posted on 03/16/2014 8:10:02 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: dfwgator

I think he made Barbara Mikulski disappear.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 8:19:46 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: FreeReign

LOL.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 8:19:55 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: old curmudgeon

“When I flew, our aircraft had emergency locater beacons that were activated by G forces”

I think that would be ELT. These are beacons that are triggered by sudden G-Force changes fitted on aircraft. As I understand it, no signals have been received so far and it’s a satellite system, so, go figure.

As with so many things with this flight, it ain’t right.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 8:25:36 PM PDT by FAA
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To: FAA
I don't think the ELT would be detectable in a water crash. The ULB would, but it's range is two miles (according to their company exec) and the average depth of the Indian Ocean is more than that.

I'm wondering if a ULB signal can be detected by specially equipped aircraft flying over the crash site. I imagine it can be, by a P-3. Or alternatively by a towed sonar array.

39 posted on 03/16/2014 8:46:02 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: FAA

All of everything said, the Indian Ocean is one great big hole in the ground in terms of electronic surveillance. Not many landmasses that can sustain operations and air/sea traffic is spread way out. Flights from Perth to Africa, and vice versa, are thin. Shipping the same.

A traveled and wired part of the world it is not. A great part of the world to “lose yourself” it would be.


40 posted on 03/16/2014 8:46:54 PM PDT by FAA
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To: nickcarraway

I will say it still could be a failure such as an electrical problem. However it is funny it would occur during the hand off from Malaysian air control to Viet Nam air control.


41 posted on 03/16/2014 8:51:58 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: zipper

“I don’t think the ELT would be detectable in a water crash”

I understand ELT to be a totally independent system that is detectable in a water scenario. That’s it purpose. It can be affixed to life rafts or whatever and ping for a few days time. Small. Self contained. Maybe the size of a Coke can.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 8:56:41 PM PDT by FAA
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To: bigtoona

MY THEORY-——How can BAD GUYS get in cockpit if it was a 707 you could store THEM in LOWER 41 AVIATION BAY —WHICH IS JUST BELOW THE COCKPIT WITH METAL BARS -—YOU CAN JUST LIFT THE BARS UP AND PULL YOUR SELF UP INTO THE COCKPIT-—IT WAS STATED THAT SOMEONE MUST HAVE TURN OFF A TRANSMITTER FROM THE AVIATION BAY OF THE 777 AND RETURNED TO THE COCKPIT-——MY THEORY IS THAT THE BAD GUYS WERE IN THE AVIATION BAY ON TAKE OFF——I have never been in a 777 cockpit but have spent many hour( 1000) in the 707 cockpit and lower 41 during flight.
If bad guys were in electric bay in the 777 on TAKE OFF ,THEY COULD EASY TAKE OUT THE PILOT AND COPILOT WITH GAS


43 posted on 03/16/2014 8:57:06 PM PDT by ralph rotten
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To: nickcarraway
Does anyone know if Malaysia Airlines logs passengers in the jumpseat in the manifest or anywhere else?

We all know how secure they keep the cockpit...

This new map is interesting...

44 posted on 03/16/2014 8:57:08 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: ralph rotten

My theory is that the chief pilot’s keyboard SHIFT key got stuck, and from then on there was no way back!


45 posted on 03/16/2014 8:58:59 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: FAA
I understand ELT to be a totally independent system that is detectable in a water scenario. That’s it purpose. It can be affixed to life rafts or whatever and ping for a few days time. Small. Self contained. Maybe the size of a Coke can.

Yes, and probably sealed from water, but the signal still has to penetrate the water. Maybe in very shallow water that may not be much of a problem, but we're talking about deep water -- ocean water over 12,000 feet deep (Indian Ocean, if that's where it is).

If the ELT were sufficient for water crashes they wouldn't need a ULB.

46 posted on 03/16/2014 9:24:24 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

And, there you go.


47 posted on 03/17/2014 3:56:53 AM PDT by FAA
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To: Revolting cat!
I believe that the world is made up with hall monitor like that you that check for check grass growing next door but does notice the crack house down the street—I MAY ALSO USE TO MUCH WATER AND PARK MY CAR OUT FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND OF COURSE YOU MISSED YOUR HOUSE ON FIRE. This is with a big S
48 posted on 03/17/2014 10:46:33 AM PDT by ralph rotten
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