Skip to comments.MH370 flew as low as 1,500m to avoid detection, says paper
Posted on 03/16/2014 9:30:37 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection.
In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing.
Investigators poring over MH370s flight data had said the plane had flown low and used terrain masking as it flew over the Bay of Bengal and headed north towards land, the NST reported.
Terrain masking refers to an ability to position an aircraft so there is natural earth hiding it from the radio waves sent from the radar system. It is a technique mostly used in aerial combat where military pilots would fly at extremely low elevations upon normally hilly or mountainous terrain to mask their approach.
Experts said flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, stressing the airframe and possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.
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No debris sighted.
Which brings me back to the whole “Suicidal pilot” theory, why do all this if the pilot or co-pilot wanted to just off himself..doing all this just to kill yourself” they wanted to be undetected for a reason, notice something else..whenever something horrible happens notice how Iran is always mocking us, making jokes about it or celebrating(Since there were Americans on board they would be thrilled about this) not a peep from them about this event..my gut tells me they have this plane
Lotta water to search.
Not sure anyone in the rear of the aircraft was alive. The only reason to go to 45,000 ft would be to decompress and oxygen starve those in the back.
First it was flying at 45,000’ and now flying low, that sound erratic. I would NOT put to much stock in these news reports, as nothing seems credible or stable yet.
Iran is a terrorist nation and that’s what they do, and Putin is evidently not being controlled by the NWO, upsetting Soros, Kerry, and Obama. Between those two countries Israel is in real danger, and so are we.
It’s already been searched.
copious amounts of HE and EW can fully explain this. Not saying that’s what happened but it can explain it. There have been reports that new boeing airliners can be hacked mid air as well, as in, flight controls taken over externally.
He probably de pressurized the cabin when he climbed to 45,000 + feet to suffocate and kill the passengers and then flew the plane at low altitude to where ever it's being hidden until it's ready for whatever use the pirates intend to use it for
“Experts said flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, stressing the airframe and possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.”
Why is the airframe stressed? At a low altitude, the cabin is barely pressurized.
Air sick? Depends on turbulence and visibility. Air sickness is usually the eye and the inner ear trying to resolve perceived discrepancies, leading to nausea.
Spatial disorientation? Turn on the autopilot.
Sure hope that Israel is watching out for commercial airliners intruding into their airspace. Seems like a convenient plan for Iran to deliver their not so advanced nuclear weapon.
Sorry, not possible given the area to be searched and the resources so far applied.
I take it nobody is buying the sat photo of the plane 20’ deep in the Malacca Straight and the debris field just West of it?
I think the photo is legitimate.
Where it flew over at 1,500m headed into the Malacca Straits. They searched that area first thing.
Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation.
What sounds far fetched to me is it dropping from 45,000 to 23000 feet, I think that would make the plane break apart wouldn’t it? I dont see how a plane survives dropping that much that fast so those numbers might be off..considering the plane kept on flying after all of that I guess the plane was in pretty good shape to continue flying for another seven hours
Weird writing... it actually says it dropped 5,000 feet, not it dropped TO 5,000 feet. BIG difference.
And even then, terrain masking is a helluva lot lower than 5,000 feet!
And it took them a week to figure this out? Article says “experts” are “poring over” the data - as if you got a bunch of guys crouched over miles of ticker-tape in a smoke-filled room. Gimme a break.
None of these “expert explanations” adds up. Reminds me of all of the TWA 800 experts that starting sounding ridiculous. Maybe this will be the same way - silence all the questioners, come out with an “official” report, and jam it down the world’s throat. God knows there’s enough conscienceless shills that will back anything up for a price - or even a gold star and a pat on the head.
That’s not the only relevant area. Practically the entire southern Indian Ocean is in play.
Stay below Va and there is no significant stress.
It’s easy to drop altitude without gaining speed...if you know how to do it.
Stay below Va and there is no significant stress.
steve86: Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation.
You didn't answer the question, steve. And you treated it as if it was being asked from a naive point of view, rather than a sophisticated one. There are multiple levels this question can be asked from.
And you picked the most insulting one, that didn't require you to answer anything yourself.
What a coincidence.
I dunno. No further updates that I have seen.
The oil rig workers story was interesting as well.
No follow up there either.
Cover up of major proportions is what I think.
Article doesn’t match headline. Flying at 1,500 meters is very different from losing 1,500 meters.
Flying at 1,500 meters burns a lot of fuel, and even more getting back up to altitude.
If they flew at 1,500 meters for even 30 minutes, it shortens their range.
You avoid secondary radar by turning off the transponder.
You avoid primary radar with maneuvers.
Keep shooting up that hopium.
There are 2,000 meter mountains on Malaysia, iirc.
“Its easy to drop altitude without gaining speed...if you know how to do it.”
You are correct, Jack. I did that today coming from FL340 to pattern altitude in San Antonio in my jet. I had a Piper Meridian in front of me and and American Airlines MD80 behind me. ATC had us make several speed changes during our descent to not run over the small, slower aircraft.
As though a crazed Jihadist (whether the original pilot or not) is going to be circumspect about remaining below Va.
My guess for the missing plane’s next destination:
#1 Israel, packed with radioactive material (Dirty Bomb).
#2 USA, packed with radioactive material (Dirty Bomb).
Unless Obamatollah provided a nuke to Iran, knowing he might be thrown out of office soon due to Arpaio-style criminal exposure.
Why are you focused on Va versus any other aspect of flight safety that the ‘crazed jihadist’/skilled pilot may or may not observe?
Or plans a lifelong presidential appointment.
You avoid primary radar with maneuvers.
I saw the same photos. Waiting right now, for someone to say they found the plane.
5 miles from the island, they say. Now I can’t say for certain, but it sure sounded possible to me.
The 1,500 meter altitude is clearly incorrect. It never flew that low, imo.
Plus, we would likely have had cellphones connect to towers.
It descended 1,500 meters to avoid primary radars. Such as, from 9,500 meters to 8,000 meters.
When you are at a distance from the radar, you don’t need to drop far to avoid it.
“Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation. “
And the more fuel it burns off the worse the g forces on the structure become.
I’m assuming you did see the sat photo from Tuesday with a plane under the surface and a debris field to the east of it?
Where are these pictures?
There is, but they can search wide areas quickly with things like infra-red and planes do tend to float unless their structural integrity has been compromised.
If Iran does have the plane, it is very dangerous in their hands. Even using conventional explosives, we’d be talking about the explosive force of a small warhead.
I’ve seen lots of sat photos. Which one?
Tuesday? Why aren’t they pulling up the wreckage?
I hope is not #2.
Posters on Airliners.net have said nothing of interest was found there, iirc.
No luggage was ever found, apparently. It was a bad translation. They were asked to look for aircraft debris such as luggage.
Look around yourself.
I am hoping the Chinese find out who is behind this. They will make sure those people die.
obama on the other hand is rooting for the terrorists.
Need to see pics from before 9M-MRO went missing. If the spot looks the same, it’s not the plane.