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MH370 flew as low as 1,500m to avoid detection, says paper
The Malaysian Insider ^ | 17 March 2014 | The Malaysian Insider

Posted on 03/16/2014 9:30:37 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss

As the search for the missing flight MH370 enters its 10th day with few clues as to its whereabouts, the New Straits Times said today the Boeing 777-200ER dropped 5,000 feet (1,500m) to evade commercial radar detection.

In an exclusive story, the government-backed paper said investigators analysing MH370’s flight data revealed that the 200-tonne, fully laden twinjet descended 1,500m or even lower to evade commercial (secondary) radar coverage after it turned back from its flight path en route to Beijing.

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Investigators poring over MH370’s flight data had said the plane had flown low and used “terrain masking” as it flew over the Bay of Bengal and headed north towards land, the NST reported.

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“Terrain masking” refers to an ability to position an aircraft so there is natural earth hiding it from the radio waves sent from the radar system. It is a technique mostly used in aerial combat where military pilots would fly at extremely low elevations upon normally hilly or mountainous terrain to “mask” their approach.

Experts said flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, stressing the airframe and possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.

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KEYWORDS: iran; malaysia; maldives; mh370; thailand; waronterror
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My best guess: pilot splashed it trying to fly low
1 posted on 03/16/2014 9:30:37 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss; Travis McGee

Bump


2 posted on 03/16/2014 9:31:12 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Meet the New Boss

No debris sighted.


3 posted on 03/16/2014 9:31:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Which brings me back to the whole “Suicidal pilot” theory, why do all this if the pilot or co-pilot wanted to just off himself..doing all this just to kill yourself” they wanted to be undetected for a reason, notice something else..whenever something horrible happens notice how Iran is always mocking us, making jokes about it or celebrating(Since there were Americans on board they would be thrilled about this) not a peep from them about this event..my gut tells me they have this plane


4 posted on 03/16/2014 9:33:59 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Lotta water to search.


5 posted on 03/16/2014 9:35:05 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss
possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.

Not sure anyone in the rear of the aircraft was alive. The only reason to go to 45,000 ft would be to decompress and oxygen starve those in the back.

6 posted on 03/16/2014 9:36:28 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

First it was flying at 45,000’ and now flying low, that sound erratic. I would NOT put to much stock in these news reports, as nothing seems credible or stable yet.

Iran is a terrorist nation and that’s what they do, and Putin is evidently not being controlled by the NWO, upsetting Soros, Kerry, and Obama. Between those two countries Israel is in real danger, and so are we.


7 posted on 03/16/2014 9:36:45 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Meet the New Boss

It’s already been searched.


8 posted on 03/16/2014 9:36:48 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I agree.


9 posted on 03/16/2014 9:37:19 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

copious amounts of HE and EW can fully explain this. Not saying that’s what happened but it can explain it. There have been reports that new boeing airliners can be hacked mid air as well, as in, flight controls taken over externally.


10 posted on 03/16/2014 9:37:44 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
My best guess: pilot splashed it trying to fly low


Doubtfully.

He probably de pressurized the cabin when he climbed to 45,000 + feet to suffocate and kill the passengers and then flew the plane at low altitude to where ever it's being hidden until it's ready for whatever use the pirates intend to use it for

11 posted on 03/16/2014 9:38:52 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Experts said flying a Boeing 777 in such a way would be dangerous, stressing the airframe and possibly causing those on board to be air sick and suffer from spatial disorientation.”

Why is the airframe stressed? At a low altitude, the cabin is barely pressurized.

Air sick? Depends on turbulence and visibility. Air sickness is usually the eye and the inner ear trying to resolve perceived discrepancies, leading to nausea.

Spatial disorientation? Turn on the autopilot.


12 posted on 03/16/2014 9:38:57 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Meet the New Boss

Sure hope that Israel is watching out for commercial airliners intruding into their airspace. Seems like a convenient plan for Iran to deliver their not so advanced nuclear weapon.


13 posted on 03/16/2014 9:39:01 PM PDT by Deagle (ues)
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To: Deagle

They are.


14 posted on 03/16/2014 9:41:56 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jack Hydrazine
It’s already been searched.

Sorry, not possible given the area to be searched and the resources so far applied.


15 posted on 03/16/2014 9:43:36 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Jet Jaguar

I take it nobody is buying the sat photo of the plane 20’ deep in the Malacca Straight and the debris field just West of it?

I think the photo is legitimate.


16 posted on 03/16/2014 9:45:54 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Meet the New Boss

Where it flew over at 1,500m headed into the Malacca Straits. They searched that area first thing.


17 posted on 03/16/2014 9:45:55 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Meet the New Boss
“Terrain masking” refers to an ability to position an aircraft so there is natural earth hiding it from the radio waves sent from the radar system. It is a technique mostly used in aerial combat where military pilots would fly at extremely low elevations upon normally hilly or mountainous terrain to “mask” their approach.

Has he got a chance?

18 posted on 03/16/2014 9:46:08 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737
Why is the airframe stressed?

Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation.

19 posted on 03/16/2014 9:46:17 PM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: Kackikat

What sounds far fetched to me is it dropping from 45,000 to 23000 feet, I think that would make the plane break apart wouldn’t it? I dont see how a plane survives dropping that much that fast so those numbers might be off..considering the plane kept on flying after all of that I guess the plane was in pretty good shape to continue flying for another seven hours


20 posted on 03/16/2014 9:47:09 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Meet the New Boss

Weird writing... it actually says it dropped 5,000 feet, not it dropped TO 5,000 feet. BIG difference.

And even then, terrain masking is a helluva lot lower than 5,000 feet!

And it took them a week to figure this out? Article says “experts” are “poring over” the data - as if you got a bunch of guys crouched over miles of ticker-tape in a smoke-filled room. Gimme a break.

None of these “expert explanations” adds up. Reminds me of all of the TWA 800 experts that starting sounding ridiculous. Maybe this will be the same way - silence all the questioners, come out with an “official” report, and jam it down the world’s throat. God knows there’s enough conscienceless shills that will back anything up for a price - or even a gold star and a pat on the head.


21 posted on 03/16/2014 9:47:42 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That’s not the only relevant area. Practically the entire southern Indian Ocean is in play.


22 posted on 03/16/2014 9:48:21 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: steve86

Stay below Va and there is no significant stress.


23 posted on 03/16/2014 9:49:49 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: Talisker

It’s easy to drop altitude without gaining speed...if you know how to do it.


24 posted on 03/16/2014 9:49:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: steve86

Stay below Va and there is no significant stress.


25 posted on 03/16/2014 9:51:00 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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CFIIIMEIATP737: Why is the airframe stressed?

steve86: Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation.

You didn't answer the question, steve. And you treated it as if it was being asked from a naive point of view, rather than a sophisticated one. There are multiple levels this question can be asked from.

And you picked the most insulting one, that didn't require you to answer anything yourself.

What a coincidence.

26 posted on 03/16/2014 9:51:57 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: txhurl

I dunno. No further updates that I have seen.

The oil rig workers story was interesting as well.

No follow up there either.

Cover up of major proportions is what I think.


27 posted on 03/16/2014 9:52:59 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Meet the New Boss

Article doesn’t match headline. Flying at 1,500 meters is very different from losing 1,500 meters.

Flying at 1,500 meters burns a lot of fuel, and even more getting back up to altitude.

If they flew at 1,500 meters for even 30 minutes, it shortens their range.

You avoid secondary radar by turning off the transponder.

You avoid primary radar with maneuvers.


28 posted on 03/16/2014 9:53:29 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Meet the New Boss

Keep shooting up that hopium.


29 posted on 03/16/2014 9:54:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ltc8k6

There are 2,000 meter mountains on Malaysia, iirc.


30 posted on 03/16/2014 9:54:25 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“It’s easy to drop altitude without gaining speed...if you know how to do it.”

You are correct, Jack. I did that today coming from FL340 to pattern altitude in San Antonio in my jet. I had a Piper Meridian in front of me and and American Airlines MD80 behind me. ATC had us make several speed changes during our descent to not run over the small, slower aircraft.


31 posted on 03/16/2014 9:54:26 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

As though a crazed Jihadist (whether the original pilot or not) is going to be circumspect about remaining below Va.


32 posted on 03/16/2014 9:54:32 PM PDT by steve86 (to the nearest on-shore cell tower or repeater).)
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To: Kackikat

After Iran.....

My guess for the missing plane’s next destination:

#1 Israel, packed with radioactive material (Dirty Bomb).
#2 USA, packed with radioactive material (Dirty Bomb).

Unless Obamatollah provided a nuke to Iran, knowing he might be thrown out of office soon due to Arpaio-style criminal exposure.


33 posted on 03/16/2014 9:55:08 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: steve86

Why are you focused on Va versus any other aspect of flight safety that the ‘crazed jihadist’/skilled pilot may or may not observe?


34 posted on 03/16/2014 9:58:20 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: LyinLibs

Or plans a lifelong presidential appointment.


35 posted on 03/16/2014 9:58:22 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: ltc8k6

You avoid primary radar with maneuvers.


And the pilot was Ace... just not Ace enough, I can see his craft in sat photos 20ft deep in 260’ water just off Pulau Palak.


36 posted on 03/16/2014 10:03:06 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Yup.

I saw the same photos. Waiting right now, for someone to say they found the plane.

5 miles from the island, they say. Now I can’t say for certain, but it sure sounded possible to me.


37 posted on 03/16/2014 10:07:33 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: txhurl

The 1,500 meter altitude is clearly incorrect. It never flew that low, imo.

Plus, we would likely have had cellphones connect to towers.

It descended 1,500 meters to avoid primary radars. Such as, from 9,500 meters to 8,000 meters.

When you are at a distance from the radar, you don’t need to drop far to avoid it.


38 posted on 03/16/2014 10:08:47 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: steve86

“Look up maneuvering speed and turbulence and start learning about aviation. “

And the more fuel it burns off the worse the g forces on the structure become.


39 posted on 03/16/2014 10:11:03 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: ltc8k6

I’m assuming you did see the sat photo from Tuesday with a plane under the surface and a debris field to the east of it?


40 posted on 03/16/2014 10:11:55 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Where are these pictures?


41 posted on 03/16/2014 10:12:11 PM PDT by DB
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To: Meet the New Boss

There is, but they can search wide areas quickly with things like infra-red and planes do tend to float unless their structural integrity has been compromised.

If Iran does have the plane, it is very dangerous in their hands. Even using conventional explosives, we’d be talking about the explosive force of a small warhead.


42 posted on 03/16/2014 10:13:02 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: txhurl

I’ve seen lots of sat photos. Which one?

Tuesday? Why aren’t they pulling up the wreckage?


43 posted on 03/16/2014 10:14:02 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: LyinLibs

I hope is not #2.


44 posted on 03/16/2014 10:15:40 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: ltc8k6; DB

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3133830/posts


45 posted on 03/16/2014 10:18:09 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: DB

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/128148

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3133830/posts?q=1&;page=51#99


46 posted on 03/16/2014 10:18:54 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: txhurl

Posters on Airliners.net have said nothing of interest was found there, iirc.

No luggage was ever found, apparently. It was a bad translation. They were asked to look for aircraft debris such as luggage.


47 posted on 03/16/2014 10:21:29 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Look around yourself.

48 posted on 03/16/2014 10:25:22 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I am hoping the Chinese find out who is behind this. They will make sure those people die.

obama on the other hand is rooting for the terrorists.


49 posted on 03/16/2014 10:26:29 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: txhurl

Need to see pics from before 9M-MRO went missing. If the spot looks the same, it’s not the plane.


50 posted on 03/16/2014 10:29:22 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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