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Investment & Finance Thread 2014 New Year(Mar. 17 - nexttime edition)
Daily investment & finance thread ^ | Mar. 17, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:23 AM PDT by expat_panama

Investment & Finance Thread 2014 New Year(Mar. 17 - nexttime edition)

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here

Open invitation continues always for input on ideas for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.  

Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket.  We still hope to include here a ----so let me know if anyone wants on or off this ping. 

Be advised that it gets posted only when I'm not feeling lazy and remember that we now know from studies that sloth is completely genetic and lazy people are the way they are because they were born that way.

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So, which way are we going next?

This past week saw four down days out of five with trading volume increasing on the down tics and last Thursday we saw IBD change the market outlook from "confirmed uptrend" to "market under pressure".

We'll see how tomorrow morning's futures look, but in the mean time--

 Gold Poised For Sixth Consecutive Higher Weekly Close

by Peter A. Grant  March 14, AM  (from USAGOLD.com) -- Gold surged to another six month high on Friday of 1387.87, before prices moderated intraday. The impending Crimean referendum this weekend has ratcheted geopolitical tensions steadily higher. Some U.S. data weakness offered an additional boost to the yellow metal initially.... (read more here)/

 



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1 posted on 03/17/2014 3:12:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

So futures traders this morning are planning on both stocks and metals going up.  In fact, markets in general are pretty upbeat.   For me it's brining to mind an old trader's saying "hold your nose and buy".  Headlines:

China announces plans to expand cities
US lags as commercial drones take off around globe
16 killed in stampedes for jobs in Nigeria
Markets Hang In the Balance Before Fed Decision

On the FR:

The Hidden Rot in the Jobs Numbers Hours worked are declining, resulting in...
Wrong Again

2 posted on 03/17/2014 3:33:57 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Nasdaq futures currently up over 25 points.

Am amazed how the markets are overlooking what is happening in Crimea.


3 posted on 03/17/2014 3:38:43 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Am amazed how the markets are overlooking what is happening in Crimea.

The markets are so manipulated now that the Chinese could start a land invasion with a vast military force on the beaches of California and the markets would be up.

4 posted on 03/17/2014 3:44:58 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Sure seems that way of late. News like this would have sent the markets down several hundred points a decade ago.....now we are basically sitting at all time highs.


5 posted on 03/17/2014 3:49:10 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Stock traders can not find Crimea on the map.
All they see is charts on their computer screens.
I do not expect any serious downturn until October.


6 posted on 03/17/2014 4:14:47 AM PDT by entropy12 (If you did not vote, you helped elect the community organizer from south side of Chicago.)
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To: entropy12; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Red in Blue PA
...markets are so manipulated... ...traders can not find Crimea on the map...

--and wealth haters can't find America on the map. 

The fact is that whether it's the stock market, the flea market, or the supermarket free people will buy and sell what they got regardless of outside hand-wringing or attempts at control.  Whether it's FDR or BHO America is still a tremendous force to be reckoned with and those that dismiss America's ability to create wealth do so at their own peril.

7 posted on 03/17/2014 4:45:53 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Please add me to your ping list. Thanks


8 posted on 03/17/2014 4:47:09 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: Chgogal; Lurkina.n.Learnin

This morning’s market glow is still growing —this may be how the deflation we were talking about the other day, that econ activity has not yet even begun to get up to full speed.


9 posted on 03/17/2014 4:50:08 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Wealth haters?

So to you anyone who questions the value, or lack thereof, in this market is a wealth hater?

Smart people question 10,000 point moves in the Dow.....only fools think trees can grow to the sky. If you think 1987, 2000 or 2007 cannot happen again you are delusional.


10 posted on 03/17/2014 4:53:57 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: expat_panama

Economic activity has not gotten up to speed yet?

From Obamacare?

From all of the new and increased taxes?

From the increased regulations?


11 posted on 03/17/2014 4:55:23 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: expat_panama

Forgot to mention.

All those QE’s won’t lead to inflation, will they?


12 posted on 03/17/2014 4:56:39 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: expat_panama

I was expecting a little more of a dip this morning. Looks like we are off to the races again.


13 posted on 03/17/2014 5:04:32 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; expat_panama

Me too.

Please add me to the ping list. Thank you.


14 posted on 03/17/2014 5:42:49 AM PDT by Finalmente
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To: expat_panama

“Wall of Worry” phenomenon?

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wallofworry.asp


15 posted on 03/17/2014 5:44:34 AM PDT by abb
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; Finalmente

done!


16 posted on 03/17/2014 5:57:53 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: abb

exactly! Sure I bellyache about the nay-sayers & doom’n’gloomers but it’s a good omen for future prices. Brings to mind a comment I’m remembering from an analyst that was saying that the bull market had a way to go because “the last idiot hasn’t gotten in yet”.


17 posted on 03/17/2014 6:02:45 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Looks like we are off to the races again.

--yeah until prices suddenly plunge!

Seriously, we've got to accept reality as it is and my personal plan today is a measured step back in.
 
18 posted on 03/17/2014 6:05:37 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Red in Blue PA
anyone who questions the value, or lack thereof, in this market is a wealth hater?

No, it's saying stuff like "markets are so manipulated now that the Chinese could start a land invasion with a vast military force on the beaches of California and the markets would be up".  If that ain't wealth hatred it'll do until the real thing gets here.

Smart people question 10,000 point moves in the Dow.....only fools think trees can grow to the sky. If you think 1987, 2000 or 2007...

Let's try to not forget 1776-1986, 1988-1999, etc.  A hundred years ago the Dow had doubled in a decade and cracked 100.   Fifty years later it pssed 1,000.  Anyone who thinks it can't pass 10,000 is saying that America's economy has died.  It hasn't.   The population will grow, technology will advance, and wealth will be created.   It's something we need to deal with.

19 posted on 03/17/2014 6:21:49 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Economic activity has not gotten up to speed yet?   From Obamacare?   From all of the new and increased taxes?   From the increased regulations?

You're absolutely right that eight years of the loony left's crazy war on business has been a real pain, but when this has happened in the past--

--it only slowed us down.  Hard working Americans eventually make it through.

20 posted on 03/17/2014 6:31:37 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Red in Blue PA

No place else to go for a return on money. One takes the risk vs a bank CD at .025% You going to lose your principal with the devaluation of the dollar it might as well be fully invested in the market.

Those of us with money know that if we lose it all it hurts where as the masses don’t know what they are losing with our current printing press mentality in Washington.

I always wonder if I should take some money out of the market and buy some rural farm land so that I can grow food if we have a real depression? I’m not a country boy but a city guy. Just a thought.


21 posted on 03/17/2014 6:46:37 AM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: expat_panama

The Dow is a false index. When companies underperform they are removed from the index and newer stronger companies replace them. Yet should a company in the index outperform the averages for some reason they are not replaced. Curious, no?


22 posted on 03/17/2014 7:25:31 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: entropy12
Stock traders can not find Crimea on the map. I do not expect any serious downturn until October.

Red Oktober?

23 posted on 03/17/2014 7:36:05 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Red in Blue PA
All those QE’s won’t lead to inflation, will they?

You're kidding, right?

24 posted on 03/17/2014 7:55:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (From a bellwether to an "oh-whateverrrr" in less than a single news cycle. -freeper Fightin Whitey)
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To: expat_panama
How do the regulations that regulate 1/6th of the US economy promote growth? The newly defined full time 30 hour work week? The literally Trillions of Dollars of new taxes? The increased costs to households?
25 posted on 03/17/2014 8:55:31 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The Dow is a false index.

Actually, it's not even an index, it's just an average of a few dozen big corporations.  There are a lot of other complaints about the Dow including the fact that it tracks say, 30 companies out of 10,000 that are listed and tens of thousands that aren't.  Still, the ones included are so big they do a good job of mirroring business activity as a whole.  Back in 1950 the Dow was about 400 and the total value of all corporations was about $400B.  Today the Dow's 16,224 and America's total corporate value is just over $16T.  Here's how it's been tracking:

When companies underperform they are removed from the index and newer stronger companies replace them. Yet should a company in the index outperform the averages for some reason they are not replaced. Curious, no?

--and that's exactly what happens in the real world.  Your business underperforms and the law of supply and demand removes it from the marketplace.  You do ok and you live to sell your product another day.

26 posted on 03/17/2014 9:08:19 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

That’s what happens in the real world?

I believe there is only one company in the original Dow index which still remains. How about putting that on a graph?


27 posted on 03/17/2014 9:28:26 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GOPJ

Why would I be kidding about a huge increase in the money supply leading to inflation?


28 posted on 03/17/2014 9:29:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I believe there is only one company in the original Dow index which still remains. How about putting that on a graph?

Here's a list of the original 1896 Dow stocks:

Things change, and we're glad they do.

29 posted on 03/17/2014 12:11:43 PM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Chgogal

Going to have to eliminate all my middle managers and put them on the hourly payroll. Should that be the 40 hours or cut them back to 29 hours so that I don’t have to give them health care any longer?


30 posted on 03/17/2014 12:44:18 PM PDT by ncfool (Taking back America 2016.)
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To: ncfool
Of course, if the regs stay as they are written, then in the long run (5 to 10 years) you are slowly going to move your work force to 29 hours with no benefits. So, now workers will have to get two 29 hour jobs with no benefits. They will make less money BUT they will also have less time to buy stuff. Brilliant! Wasn't that one of Obama’s Goal? If my memory serves me, Obama did say we Americans have to learn to use less of the World's resources.
31 posted on 03/17/2014 1:05:42 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: ncfool

And what the heck is Obama talking about OT? When I started working I would get time and a half when working more then 40 hrs. (I guess OT is now anything greater than 30 hours. Really?). As I got promoted my OT pay would decrease until I hit upper management and then I got no OT. I was expected to do what was necessary to make it work. Now, how in the heck is Mr. I never ran a company in my life, going to administer this? Obama is beyond stupid. There I said it.


32 posted on 03/17/2014 1:12:44 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal
http://money.msn.com/investing/post—the-states-people-are-fleeing-in-2014

Illinois, No. 2 on the list, with 61 percent more people moving out than in, has a depressing story to tell. Stoll says that over time the state has lost a third of its manufacturing jobs and a quarter of its jobs in construction, and a significant proportion of its unemployed have been out of work for the long term, so the real employment rate there is much higher than the relatively high official figure of 8.9 percent suggests. The Labor Department stops counting people as unemployed when they have given up looking for work or they take a part-time job that doesn't pay the rent.

33 posted on 03/17/2014 1:31:08 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: expat_panama
Lookie Here!

You are Ranked #1.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45ffleg/the-15-best-countries-to-retire-to-in-2014/?utm_source=money.msn.com&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=investing+blog&partner=msnedit

34 posted on 03/17/2014 1:33:18 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

huh!

Ten years ago it seemed Panama was the best kept secret for retirement, but I guess now the word’s out.


35 posted on 03/17/2014 2:21:06 PM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Turns out yesterday's uptick was in really low volume, meaning that while there were traders that were thinking in economic problems would 'blow over' there weren't that many of 'em. 

This morning we got stock futures off/mixed and metals futures sharply down.  Kind of what I was thinking yesterday w/ taking 'measured' steps.  Other news yesterday had Industrial Production and Capacity Utilization both surprisingly up, and in the news this morning--

Is This the Best the Economy Can Do? - Evan Soltas, Bloomberg
New Doomsday Poll: 99.9% Risk of 2014 Crash - Paul Farrell, MarketWatch
Happy Birthday to the Five-Year Bull Market! - Jurrien Timmer, Fidelity
There Are Some Serious Blow-Ups on the Horizon - Reformed Broker
Montana unemployment falls to 5.3 percent
North Dakota tries to woo workers for empty jobs
Detroit retirees see pension cut plan as divisive


36 posted on 03/18/2014 2:58:40 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134454/posts

36% of Workers Have Less Than $1,000 in Savings
24/7 Wall Street ^ | John C Ogg

Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:01:32 AM by SoFloFreeper


37 posted on 03/18/2014 6:07:31 AM PDT by abb
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To: abb

tx abb!


38 posted on 03/18/2014 6:54:23 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: abb
fwiw, on average Americans have a net worth of over a quarter $mil; just about at the all time high --more than 3 times what we had 50 years ago:


39 posted on 03/18/2014 7:49:36 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Only the thrifty, though. The rest, and I don’t know the percentages, continually spend more than they bring in, and then wonder why they can accumulate nothing.


40 posted on 03/18/2014 10:29:47 AM PDT by abb
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To: abb

The FDIC makes lenders turn in records, so we can know that the delinquency rate on all consumer loans is at 2.5%. “Delinquency” means the loans are being paid late. Loans that aren’t being paid at all are listed in the charge-off rate, that that one’s under 2%.

Out of every 100 American households, 96 are paying on time, 2 are paying late fees, and another two have lost their credit. Not bad imho.


41 posted on 03/18/2014 11:50:20 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama
We both agree that the markets worldwide are doing good. Now why would this be happening?

http://nypost.com/2014/03/18/string-of-suicides-rocking-financial-world-baffles-experts/

42 posted on 03/18/2014 9:09:31 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Good morning and a happy mid-week to all --starting off today w/ futures upbeat (if we don't talk metals).  Yesterday stocks powered on approaching new highs and while trading volume increased from yesterday it's still below average.  Waiting for the fed's  FOMC Rate Decision for 2:00PM today maybe.  Other news:

3 Signs the Bears Aren't Quite Done Yet - Anthony Mirhaydari, MSN Money
Why Stocks Have Rallied In Face of a New Cold War - Mark Hulbert, MW
Dollar Strengthens Against Yen Before Fed Decision; Pound Rises
Trading Probe Breaks String of Gains for US Exchange Operators
Jesse Jackson targets tech's lack of diversity
Yellen to enter spotlight as new leader of Fed

 


43 posted on 03/19/2014 2:59:20 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Chgogal
Tx for the headsup.

Seems that suicide's can propagate in a close group of people working and living together, it's a real problem in schools, military bases, and now banks.  Good management will proactively call in everyone for a group counseling "talk-it-out".  otoh the old 1929 crash rash never happened:

The myth of post-crash pavement suicides

Did brokers really throw themselves out of office windows in the Wall ...


44 posted on 03/19/2014 3:13:54 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: Chgogal; expat_panama

From another thread on this

“Roughly 39,000 people off themselves each year in the usa. 5.5 million people are employed in the banking and insurance industries. Figure half are wankers bankers. that’s 2.75 million bankers out of 320 million people in the usa or .8594%. If we apply this to the number of suicides we would expect 335 bankers to suicide every year. “

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134512/posts?page=10#10


45 posted on 03/19/2014 4:20:48 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

That’s an important reality to keep in mind.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 5:09:36 AM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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To: expat_panama

Well, her first press conference went well.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 1:10:16 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: expat_panama; All

CBO Director: Important to Give Advance Warning About Coming Changes to Social Security -

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/cbo-director-important-give-advance-warning-about-coming-changes-social


48 posted on 03/19/2014 1:48:42 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I agree.

With what is happening in Crimea one would expect the markets to go up.Oh well!


49 posted on 03/19/2014 8:35:06 PM PDT by Finalmente
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To: expat_panama
Radtke was CEO of the failed Bitcoin Venture (Singapore).

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0306/Autumn-Radtke-bitcoin-entrepreneur-found-dead

Three from JP Morgan - One VP from the investment bank technology arm (London), an executive director (New York) and a finance pro (Hong Kong).

One former senior Risk Manager for DB (London) William Broeksmit was a big Kahuna and tied to the VP from JP Morgan and to a prominent Chief economist at Russell Investments.

http://americablog.com/2014/02/three-deaths-missing-reporter-ties-wall-street-investigations.html

The above link mentions a “missing reporter” who specialized in the oil markets that was being investigated by the Feds.

Their trade books must be very interesting. And their positions (pun intended) very stressful. I guess this is to be filed in the folder entitled “Things that Make You Go Hmmmmm”

50 posted on 03/19/2014 9:15:36 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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